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The shroud of Turin: I think almost every one has heard of it, it is a burial cloth that is said to have been wrapped around Jesus. They carbon tested it for its age, but now it is being looked at again cause do to factors of heat and certain other minerals found on it most likely messed up the results. They found the new data through studies how different things affect the results and cause wrong dating outcomes. So it is being reworked and looked at to see if they can find away to get around those side effects to come up with a true dating system.
And this would be why OEC and OEA err in thinking the Earth is billions of years old lol. For one we have all ready examined earlier in this topic that the Speed of Light is variable and that the Speed of Light can in fact be slowed, stopped, accelerated, bent, broken, etc.
Furthermore Radiometric Dating has all ready well been proven to be a farce and be wildly inaccurate.
Here is an intriguing documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYWznEIV50
[video=youtube;koYWznEIV50]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYWznEIV50[/video]
This is about a little known archaeological find that has been suppressed by the mainstream for good reasons that it clearly displays the ineptness of the Darwinist/Old Earth Model. Keep in mind this documentary is told to you by Old Earth Creationists and Atheists. Basically they discovered various tools and bone fragments in Mexico. Upon dating the artifacts they discovered these artifacts should technically be the oldest known human artifacts.
However here is the problem: Everytime they used different radiometric dating techniques they arrived at variable ages of 10,000, 20,000, 35,000, 100,000, 400,000, and even 750,000 years old. Thus creating what this documntary deems a Trilemma. The basic concept of the Trilemma is that either the Archaeology, Scientific Theory, or Dating Methods must be incorrect. Then the Old Earthers go through trying to figure which leg of the Trilemma is incorrect. Naturally they never question the most obvious, that their dating methods are incorrect (because this would also imply their secular Theory is also incorrect), which is somewhat comical. Thus they come to the conclusion that the artifacts can be between 35,000- 400,000 years old lol.
This is a good documentary made by Old Earthers themselves to show just how many holes are in Old Earth Theory and how their own Theory and Dating Techniques contradict eachother without any need for us Young Earthers to intervene lol.
Furthermore Radiometric Dating has all ready well been proven to be a farce and be wildly inaccurate.
Here is an intriguing documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYWznEIV50
[video=youtube;koYWznEIV50]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koYWznEIV50[/video]
This is about a little known archaeological find that has been suppressed by the mainstream for good reasons that it clearly displays the ineptness of the Darwinist/Old Earth Model. Keep in mind this documentary is told to you by Old Earth Creationists and Atheists. Basically they discovered various tools and bone fragments in Mexico. Upon dating the artifacts they discovered these artifacts should technically be the oldest known human artifacts.
However here is the problem: Everytime they used different radiometric dating techniques they arrived at variable ages of 10,000, 20,000, 35,000, 100,000, 400,000, and even 750,000 years old. Thus creating what this documntary deems a Trilemma. The basic concept of the Trilemma is that either the Archaeology, Scientific Theory, or Dating Methods must be incorrect. Then the Old Earthers go through trying to figure which leg of the Trilemma is incorrect. Naturally they never question the most obvious, that their dating methods are incorrect (because this would also imply their secular Theory is also incorrect), which is somewhat comical. Thus they come to the conclusion that the artifacts can be between 35,000- 400,000 years old lol.
This is a good documentary made by Old Earthers themselves to show just how many holes are in Old Earth Theory and how their own Theory and Dating Techniques contradict eachother without any need for us Young Earthers to intervene lol.
Lol that is if you assume Space is a vacuum. There is a possibility it might not be such as there is alleged discoveries of oxygen in space. Lol mankind has only been going to outer space for 60 years, with much knowledge of the cosmos actively and admittedly suppressed for decades (cool thing though is in this age today much of what the government has kept hid from you when you were my age is now being revealed.)
Metabolism is still possible even though speed of light has changed, that is demonstrable. Just by light entering the atmosphere it changes speed and direction and also breaks thus making colors. We can see life still metabolizing it. And we even know now that light is not totally necessary fo metabolism as in the case of deep sea creatures in the Marianas Trench. (Plus think about it, there wasn't too much sunlight reaching you in your mother's womb as God formed you.)
Mankind is closer to the order of 6000-8000 years old after the Fall of Adam due to direct unambiguous evidence of written record and artifact that have hard-set dates.
200k I feel is still way too long of a date. Lol see the documentary above, the other Old Earthers seem to think it could be 10,000, 35,000, 400,000, or 750,000 based on wild guesswork and theories they day dreamed of. The Bible and surrounding history of the Ancients helps us keep a little better of a timeframe with much more solid evidence than methods all ready proven to be obsolete and wildly inaccurate. This leaves one to guess the age of the Earth in a spectrum between 6000-8000 years old, though there is still some room for hard science like history and archaeology to help us deduce a more correct number between that range.
As for how long Adam and Eve were immortal before they began to die, I suppose only God knows.
Metabolism is still possible even though speed of light has changed, that is demonstrable. Just by light entering the atmosphere it changes speed and direction and also breaks thus making colors. We can see life still metabolizing it. And we even know now that light is not totally necessary fo metabolism as in the case of deep sea creatures in the Marianas Trench. (Plus think about it, there wasn't too much sunlight reaching you in your mother's womb as God formed you.)
Mankind is closer to the order of 6000-8000 years old after the Fall of Adam due to direct unambiguous evidence of written record and artifact that have hard-set dates.
200k I feel is still way too long of a date. Lol see the documentary above, the other Old Earthers seem to think it could be 10,000, 35,000, 400,000, or 750,000 based on wild guesswork and theories they day dreamed of. The Bible and surrounding history of the Ancients helps us keep a little better of a timeframe with much more solid evidence than methods all ready proven to be obsolete and wildly inaccurate. This leaves one to guess the age of the Earth in a spectrum between 6000-8000 years old, though there is still some room for hard science like history and archaeology to help us deduce a more correct number between that range.
As for how long Adam and Eve were immortal before they began to die, I suppose only God knows.
I don't know where you explained it. I haven't payed attention to your posts, but no where did Job prove death before the fall of man(Gen 1:29-30). God plainly said that plant life was for man and animals to eat in Genesis, and it wasn't until after the fall that bloodshed was a means for atonement.
It wasn't until after the Flood that God allowed meat to be part of our diets.
There was no need for animals to kill being as God only allowed them to eat plants as well. They certainly didnt kill for food, and for one to believe God would create a planet that had animals decaying on it and he would refer to it as "good" seems to deny the concept of God and His perfection in the first place.
It wasn't until after the Flood that God allowed meat to be part of our diets.
There was no need for animals to kill being as God only allowed them to eat plants as well. They certainly didnt kill for food, and for one to believe God would create a planet that had animals decaying on it and he would refer to it as "good" seems to deny the concept of God and His perfection in the first place.
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Job was referring to the preadamic creation. which is where demons come from. It line up with Jeremiah 35 and Genesis 1 and 2 Peter and some in Isaiah. any way its called the gap theory and it makes perfect sense. When have you seen a T-Rex walk through your neighborhood and a brontosaurus thats 3 football fields long would be hard to hide. Given our satellite observance.
Pre-Adamic? I thought that for the dragons to be well populated along with other near mind-shattering things of the pre-Flood Era (and that's not to mention the era of the Patriarchs before Abraham the so-called "mythic age" of written history.) Lol, though I guess I can see now here why people have this Gap Theory, which I have heard of but it never made sense to me lol.
This is why I do not see why people do not find the 7-Day Creation literal. Lol you all forgot after the 7-day creation God created Man in his image, and Man was made perfect. How long was Man in Eden? Man was there Forever because death didn't even enter the world until man began to die. Gotta keep in mind before man began to die he lived east in the Garden of Eden. Adam was still alive in those days, but he began to die after that old serpent tricked mankind into making death enter the world. Then of course time as we know we're in the period with death still running around until God destroys the fallen creation, many times with fire implied, and creates the new and redeems the forgiven of Jesus to live with God in the Perfect Creation. No Gaps, perfectly linear. The only gaps is in today's individual man's understanding, but even these can be overcome and many of them in fact are in today's era very answerable when a few centuries ago there was room for reasonable doubt (unless you count all the things the historians near or of the ancient past's times say wasn't just fiction) which is pretty cool.
EDIT: As to whether Adam and Eve ate steak kabobs I think could be or not, it is implied they were vegetarian. But then again, I mean you get to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life as long as you don't eat the tree of knowledge of good and evil. My scholarly guess be that be a good enough diet to sustain immortality that God gave them. Plus God did give Adam also permission to eat from all the other Edenic Era Tree Kinds as well and enjoy them.
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Jeremiah 4
I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
Since Adam when has there been no man Explain?
I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
Since Adam when has there been no man Explain?
You do know this is a prophecy by a prophet right?
This isn't during Adam's time (unless you wanna be uber technical and argue our blood relation to Adam). This is either all ready fulfilled within the time from after Jeremiah spoke it to a time that is yet to come. (I personally believe it is eschatological myself, but I suppose that is a topic for a different topic.) Either way though this is a prophecy lol, not a look back on history.
Let's read it starting with verse 23 and go to verse 28
23 I looked on the earth, an lo, it was waste and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and lo, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled.
26 I looked, and lo, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27 For thus says the LORD, "The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
28 For this the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above be black; for I have spoken, I have purposed; I have not relented nor will I turn back."
And of course there is more in just this whole chapter alone, but like I said I think this is enough to get the point across this is a prophecy not a history.
This isn't during Adam's time (unless you wanna be uber technical and argue our blood relation to Adam). This is either all ready fulfilled within the time from after Jeremiah spoke it to a time that is yet to come. (I personally believe it is eschatological myself, but I suppose that is a topic for a different topic.) Either way though this is a prophecy lol, not a look back on history.
Let's read it starting with verse 23 and go to verse 28
23 I looked on the earth, an lo, it was waste and void; and to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and lo, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the air had fled.
26 I looked, and lo, the fruitful land was a desert, and all its cities were laid in ruins before the LORD, before his fierce anger.
27 For thus says the LORD, "The whole land shall be a desolation; yet I will not make a full end.
28 For this the earth shall mourn, and the heavens above be black; for I have spoken, I have purposed; I have not relented nor will I turn back."
And of course there is more in just this whole chapter alone, but like I said I think this is enough to get the point across this is a prophecy not a history.