Open your eyes, and see ....The most Scary Conspiracy!
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This is not saying that anyone who is living any commandment given to the Jews is doing wrong. It does not state that every commandment given them must not be obeyed.
It does not say don't sell the blood of Jesus. What!! a play on words!. It is trying to achieve that you don't want to give to the church, and you don't want to rest on a Sabbath, and it won't hold water.
It does say come to Christ.
There were three groups who worshipped God in Philadelphia. One group wanted Christians to actually ritualistically become Jews through the steps the Rabbis gave to do that in order to become Christian. Sabbath and tithing were not included in this ceremony, that is something that has been added to this scripture that is not there, and we are to accept scripture, all of it, not adding or taking away from it.
It says that Christ is the key to our eternal life, not becoming Jewish.
It does not say don't sell the blood of Jesus. What!! a play on words!. It is trying to achieve that you don't want to give to the church, and you don't want to rest on a Sabbath, and it won't hold water.
It does say come to Christ.
There were three groups who worshipped God in Philadelphia. One group wanted Christians to actually ritualistically become Jews through the steps the Rabbis gave to do that in order to become Christian. Sabbath and tithing were not included in this ceremony, that is something that has been added to this scripture that is not there, and we are to accept scripture, all of it, not adding or taking away from it.
It says that Christ is the key to our eternal life, not becoming Jewish.
I would definantly disagree with you on that premise. That's only Revelations Chapter 3:9.
That's not that scary. What's scary? I'm not scared whether your interpretation is correct or incorrect.
I guess if you mean what's the most evil thing in the Death Conspiracy would be a matter of opinion. For my own opinion we are in the wrong book of the Bible clearly.
Nothing to be too scared of though looking forward, just keep reading Revelations all the way to the end brother. God shall provide a happy End of Days.
That's not that scary. What's scary? I'm not scared whether your interpretation is correct or incorrect.
I guess if you mean what's the most evil thing in the Death Conspiracy would be a matter of opinion. For my own opinion we are in the wrong book of the Bible clearly.
Nothing to be too scared of though looking forward, just keep reading Revelations all the way to the end brother. God shall provide a happy End of Days.
Donating is the way in the NT, Why you mix the concept of donation with tithing.
Tithing is a law, given to the jews before the time of Jesus, administered by levites, collected in the temple, given as food and animals, when the use was to help the poor, levites and forigners it should be stored in the alfoli.
Tithing was never ordered to be given en money, Guess why? to not to increase the love for money from the priests.
There in one ocurrence then the bible talks about money, and it proves titing should not be given in money: it says the animals should be choseen in a random way, but if the owner did not wanted to give that particular animal/fruit it should be redimed by 1.2 times the value of the animal/fruit.
Who told you tithing is the christian way? your pastor? He has a conflict of interest, because he teaches it and put that money in his pocket too.
Tithing is a law of the old testament. I now beg you to please give me one scripture that says the GENTILES have to give tithing.
Good wants to save US and the lideres of his real church to be free of the love of money.
Tithing have a huge problem, The issue is this "The law of moses has been fulfill in the cross", then one of this is true:
-I am stealing from God for not paying tithing.... or
-The pastor is stealing from God and his fellows if tithing is not required.
Now Where is the clear commandment where say that Gentile Christians have to pay tithing? (acts 15, acts 21, Hebrews 8:13)
I may be an Ignorant but I am reading the bible without conflict of interest and pre-conceived concepts (please note I have paid tithing to a church for more that 15 years),
Donate, but not to just any church, look for the real church of Jesus, ask, ask, ask, keep asking!, Read the New Testament. do not distract your attention with leyends and Histories of the old testament. (it has good things, but the laws valid for us are in the NT), Do not let Pleople with created interest to lead you, See Paul He really fougth the Judaizants.
Tithing is a law, given to the jews before the time of Jesus, administered by levites, collected in the temple, given as food and animals, when the use was to help the poor, levites and forigners it should be stored in the alfoli.
Tithing was never ordered to be given en money, Guess why? to not to increase the love for money from the priests.
There in one ocurrence then the bible talks about money, and it proves titing should not be given in money: it says the animals should be choseen in a random way, but if the owner did not wanted to give that particular animal/fruit it should be redimed by 1.2 times the value of the animal/fruit.
Who told you tithing is the christian way? your pastor? He has a conflict of interest, because he teaches it and put that money in his pocket too.
Tithing is a law of the old testament. I now beg you to please give me one scripture that says the GENTILES have to give tithing.
Good wants to save US and the lideres of his real church to be free of the love of money.
Tithing have a huge problem, The issue is this "The law of moses has been fulfill in the cross", then one of this is true:
-I am stealing from God for not paying tithing.... or
-The pastor is stealing from God and his fellows if tithing is not required.
Now Where is the clear commandment where say that Gentile Christians have to pay tithing? (acts 15, acts 21, Hebrews 8:13)
I may be an Ignorant but I am reading the bible without conflict of interest and pre-conceived concepts (please note I have paid tithing to a church for more that 15 years),
Donate, but not to just any church, look for the real church of Jesus, ask, ask, ask, keep asking!, Read the New Testament. do not distract your attention with leyends and Histories of the old testament. (it has good things, but the laws valid for us are in the NT), Do not let Pleople with created interest to lead you, See Paul He really fougth the Judaizants.
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OB77, Thanks lots for this!
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
Your will know the truth and the truth will make you free!...... free of what? No one Understood!, do you see it.....
Free of what? read acts 15:10. "FREE OF THE LAW OF MOSES"
Thanks my friend I finally Understood what Jesus was telling this Jews.
and..
[h=3]Revelation 2:9[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Poor...Rich? Churches...Pastor that became rich?
Thanks again.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
Your will know the truth and the truth will make you free!...... free of what? No one Understood!, do you see it.....
Free of what? read acts 15:10. "FREE OF THE LAW OF MOSES"
Thanks my friend I finally Understood what Jesus was telling this Jews.
and..
[h=3]Revelation 2:9[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Poor...Rich? Churches...Pastor that became rich?
Thanks again.
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Thousands of German settlers came to North America between the mid-17[SUP]th[/SUP] and mid-20[SUP]th[/SUP] centuries. The hardships of the long voyage were balanced by the opportunity to escape poverty and religious persecution. The descendant s of these settlers still populate the states of Pennsylvania, Texas, New York, Illinois and California. Many also live in Ontario and the prairie provinces of Canada. An inquiry into the early roots of North American families has revealed a number of immigrants bearing the name Rothchild or a variant listed above: Johann Roth, who sailed to Carolina and/or Pennsylvania in 1709. Among the several hundred family members who followed this first settler were: David Roth, who sailed to Pennsylvania in 1720.
This is certainly a new twist on the old antinomianism. As far as tithing goes - you are partly right. There were primarily two forms of giving, involving gifts to the poor and gifts to the Levitical priesthood. Since pastors aren't priests in the same way that the Levitical priests were it would be a little difficult to perform this duty at the moment. But besides the obvious contradiction in theology some ministers have in accepting a few OT laws while condemning them en masse, your conclusion doesn't change the principle behind tithing. We should still support the ministry. And concerning what Jesus thought about those in the ministry receiving compensation for the work they do, this is what Jesus had to say:
Luke 10:7 Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.
Luke 10:7 Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.
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How is that the truth makes you free of sin?, sin and truth are not function one to the other, I could know the truth and still sin.
but see what Jesus said:
[h=3]Matthew 11:28-30[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
[h=3]Acts 15:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
but see what Jesus said:
[h=3]Matthew 11:28-30[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
[h=3]Acts 15:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
The answer to your question es easy.
Jesus do not contradict himself, The law was valid when he spoke those words, but he came to fulfill the law:
Matthew 5:17-23
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So no one tilde, or dot of the law? now look under you underwear and see if you circumcised? do you go to the synagogue on Saturdays, and offer sacrifices in the altar like Jesus ordered to Luk 5:12-16 . I am sure the answer is NO.
So what happened?... no a tilde no a dot!
What happened? .... The law was fulfilled in the cross..... so the law of moses is GONE.
So do not worry to much about the OT, concentrate your efforts in the NT
Please raise you hand the ones who believe the "law of Moses" still valid after Jesus died in the cross!
Jesus do not contradict himself, The law was valid when he spoke those words, but he came to fulfill the law:
Matthew 5:17-23
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
So no one tilde, or dot of the law? now look under you underwear and see if you circumcised? do you go to the synagogue on Saturdays, and offer sacrifices in the altar like Jesus ordered to Luk 5:12-16 . I am sure the answer is NO.
So what happened?... no a tilde no a dot!
What happened? .... The law was fulfilled in the cross..... so the law of moses is GONE.
So do not worry to much about the OT, concentrate your efforts in the NT
Please raise you hand the ones who believe the "law of Moses" still valid after Jesus died in the cross!
