Dangers of Feminism

[biscuit]

But it certainly can be. In this case feminism is a primary cause. Some of the most prominent feminists and famous women make openly hateful anti-male statements and the mainstream feminist organizations say and do nothing to distance themselves from such public statements. It's obvious what feminism has become and the danger it poses to males.

Modern men are not ignorant nor naive about the influence of second and third wave feminism on government and the real and present danger it poses to their lives. Ask most young men if they want to marry a feminist and they will tell you NO. And neither do I.

Just look at the statistics for 30-34 year old white female marriages plunge downward.

The prospect of renting a room and living in abject poverty for many years so a feminist ex-wife who "liberated" herself from me in a no fault divorce could "achieve her full potential," training my children to despise me in the process, yet never "liberating" herself off my paycheck putting me in a demographic with an astronomical suicide rate (e.g. the divorced male) has ZERO appeal for me.

And obviously for the vast majority of other males as well. Celibacy truly is "God's gift" in comparison to living in that condition which really is the status of an abused slave. Of course, non-Christians don't bother with celibacy but they increasingly don't bother with marriage anymore either.

As Linda Gordon, a radical feminist writer, attempted to rally her feminist "sisters" against the nuclear family which has been portrayed by feminists as a tool of patriarchy since the origins of feminism by announcing, 'The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together..."

Well Linda has certainly gotten her wish for men obviously are increasingly NOT marrying women at all. And, anyone who seriously believes that the sweeping social movement of second wave feminism had nothing to do with this is either severely developmentally disabled, ignorant to a fault, or much more likely: in a deep state of denial.

8 reasons straight men don’t want to get married

More information on the anti-male feminist supremacy movement that still likes to refer to itself as "feminism" for the association to morality perk despite having transformed in the West to a destroyer of morality, the family, and males:

[video=youtube_share;AQWoNhrY_fM]http://youtu.be/AQWoNhrY_fM[/video]

Excellent Post

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

[video=youtube_share;icV-V73ZjRI]http://youtu.be/icV-V73ZjRI[/video]

Excellent Post

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

[video=youtube_share;V9B2jE8e_5k]http://youtu.be/V9B2jE8e_5k[/video]

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

[video=youtube_share;Va-YTf5Caj8]http://youtu.be/Va-YTf5Caj8[/video]

 

[presidente]

[video=youtube_share;V9B2jE8e_5k]http://youtu.be/V9B2jE8e_5k[/video]

I tried to look up the article he posted on domestic violence from the CDC. The article name at the top only has 8 pages when I downloaded it. His is on page 38, and the reports I'm looking at put the numbers at women reporting domestic violence higher than the men. My question when I read the way he reported it is why he told us the absolute number, but not the sample size. That could be deceptive. But when I looked up the information, I couldn't find the figures he referred to and the numbers I saw did not match the impression he gave us of the data, that men are abused more. There is plenty of domestic violence against men.
The report I found was much shorter.
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_executive_summary-a.pdf

A more recent report.
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/cdc_nisvs_ipv_report_2013_v17_single_a.pdf

 

[Angela53510]

Men are often afraid to report domestic abuse, because they feel it makes them look bad. In fact, male domestic abuse is not taken for granted by the average person, I saw a video about this a while back. A woman was abusing a man, and only one person, at the end of the video came to the man's aid.

I know the local abuse center in my home town is trying to make counseling and reporting of men's abuse more accessible, but it is a long road to walk.

A quick internet search of comparing rates of domestic abuse of men compared to women, leaves one wishing for some reliable sources! The differences in numbers are astounding. I did not read your links Presidente, only because they were so very long... I did find a similar study done by Stats Can, a usually reliable Canadian government source. (They refer to the problem of "family" violence, which includes violence against the elderly, children and dating partners.)


"Unlike other forms of violent crimes, females had more than double the risk of males of becoming a victim of police-reported family violence (407 victims per 100,000 population versus 180 victims per
100,000). This increased risk was primarily attributed to females’ higher representation as victims of
spousal violence."

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11643-eng.pdf

However, women are abused, and at least in Canada, reported in greater numbers. Considering that many wives do not have jobs, and are dependent upon the man for support, yet recent publicity has made it acceptable for women to report spousal abuse. Men are also physically bigger, and therefore can do more damage with their fists or bodies. However, if weapons are involved, I am sure a woman can do as much damage as a men.

Domestic violence is always deplorable, whether a man or a woman is the target, but especially where the elderly or children are involved, either as witnesses or victims. Sadly, this crime against people, especially family members has been around a long, long time. One would have hoped that education, or a greater awareness of ethics and moral behaviour would have lessened this crime. And maybe things were worse before systematic reporting came into effect.

I also know that in British Columbia, where I lived for many years, domestic abuse was not a crime, but a family matter. It took until 1983 before the laws changed, so a spouse could report physical abuse, and the police could arrest the abuser and the courts decide on the crime and the punishment if convicted. So really, in many places, reporting domestic abuse of any sort is a recent phenomena.

I guess as Christians, we need to all work together against this scourge which continues to invade our homes and lives. One of the reasons I am so against the purported "authority" or "headship" of men, is because I have known too many abused Christian women, who felt they had to "submit" to an abusive husband because the Bible demanded it.. Absolute power is an excuse to abuse power. While Christ should be the head of a man, it appears that this part of the patriarchial system is often absent in relationships where the one in power is abusing the one who is not in power. (This could also be women dominating and abusing men, of course!)

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Good posts. I thought the video on why men aren't committing to marriage interesting.

 

[presidente]

Good posts. I thought the video on why men aren't committing to marriage interesting.

There may be something to that. In our culture, a man becoming a husband and a father is not highly prized, and so boys don't aspire to it. I don't know if boys daydream about it in cultures that do value fatherhood greatly like they would daydream about doing some great feat. But as they age, they'd se fatherhood as a respected thing, something to aspire to.

In my wife's culture, being a father is valued. She had an uncle who didn't have any children. Other people we met once who referred to him said, "the guy without any children, that policeman." He was the richest man in his own family, but having kids was almost like a right of passage. In pre-Christian days, they practiced ancestor worship, which meant making descendants an important concern for people for after they were dead. Unfortunately, some who profess Christianity still partake in aspects of ancestor worship. He went out and took another wife and had a another girl. It was a weird situation, and he died relatively young.

In spite of the sin and bad parts of that story, it is interesting to see that in some cultures, fatherhood is valued, and men are respected for having children. If you think about it, it makes sense. In the tribal village, the chief is the leader and he is respected. A boy might strive to be a chief. Well, being a chief of your own little clan, your family, is a desirable thing. But look at our culture? It works against the man being the chief of his own little clan. The Biblical idea of the husband being the head of the wife and the leader in his own household is rejected by this culture in the name of equality and egalitarianism. And then the law or at least the legal system of precedents and culture as it effects legal decisions tends toward giving women custody of children. Divorce is legally easy for both genders to obtain and society in general sanctions it.

Removing the role of the man as the head of the wife, the duty of the wife to submit to her husband, and a reasonable expectation that marriage will be for life, does deter men from marrying. The threat of having your children taken away from you if you do start a family isn't much of an incentive.

 

[Angela53510]

The sad thing is, is that the man is so important in raising happy and well adjusted children. I am blessed to have a husband who loves his children and grandchildren so much, was not afraid to disciple when they needed it, but also showed a tremendous amount of love and demonstrated Christ in our 4 children's lives. Being a single mom is just not quite enough, from all the studies I have read, although I am not blaming women who are in the difficult position of having to raise children without a man around.

Our society is really in trouble, I think, but I don't think feminism is the main reason. My theory is that the media started becoming perverse about the same time that the hippie movement kind of took over. Once you can rationalize and sing about "sex, drugs and rock and roll," you have lost a generation, and all those following.

Unless God is good, and he saves you in spite of that lifestyle. I can only praise God he placed me where I did, a revival started and my grandmother's prayers were answered.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

There is no doubt that a transition from a culture centered on traditional Christian family values to what we have today began with the baby boomer generation.

That generation began to abandon what had preceded it for new constructs. Second wave feminism was one of the primary constructs but there certainly were other primary constructs which eroded the traditional Christian family culture that once formed the core of U.S. society.

When I was a boy, I remember it was very difficult for an unmarried man to get a professional job in management. The traditional Christian family culture was so powerful in society that it provided economic incentives for advancement to married men who were viewed as moral and stable while posing economic liabilities to unmarried men who were thought to either have something wrong with them or be an immoral person if they remained unmarried past a certain age.

Marriage is no longer viewed through that lens.

How do you bring back something that has little economic incentive if you do, a material economic incentive if you don't, little societal incentive to engage in, little societal liability not to engage in?

You can't shame young men into doing something that they no longer believe is important and poses great liabilities to their lives if they don't with little to any incentive if they do.

The cultural norms and economics are completely off the rails from what they once were. Nothing is going to "magically" change either so the present trend continues unabated.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I mean you can't shame young men into doing something that they no longer believe is important and poses great liabilities to their lives if they do with little to any incentive if they don't.

Once the members of society no longer internalize a behavior and society no longer rewards the behavior but instead makes the behavior into a liability: how do you get members of society to continue engaging in the behavior?

That's where we are at with marriage.

 

[presidente]

I mean you can't shame young men into doing something that they no longer believe is important and poses great liabilities to their lives if they do with little to any incentive if they don't.

Once the members of society no longer internalize a behavior and society no longer rewards the behavior but instead makes the behavior into a liability: how do you get members of society to continue engaging in the behavior?

That's where we are at with marriage.

If shame were a bigger motivator in our culture than it is, shame might work. But that doesn't work in a heavily individualistic, 'do-your-own-thing' culture where, "I don't care what people think about me" is a widely held philosophy. The other component that causes the problem is the availability of sex outside of marriage. If women were maintaining virginity before marriage and the only exceptions were prostitutes who had slept with thousands of other men, including men infected with deadly diseases, most men would marry. Most are effected by the biological drive to reproduce.

I think Feminism is very closely connected to the rise of 'free sex.' Both the sexual revolution and feminism chipped away at social mores related to marriage and sexuality. Feminism created an environment where women did not have the great urge to marry, since Feminists depicted marriage as slavery, and women who married young are sometimes told they are wasting their education or potential. Women not perceiving a need to marry, or marry fairly young, had less of a motivation to 'increase their value' in the marriage market by keeping their virginity. Late marriage opens up women to more temptation. All these outgrowths of feminism seemed to mesh well with the sexual revolution and reinforce it.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Great points. I would add that shame isn't just societal. In the past, the person being shamed for fornicating themselves believed what they were doing was wrong. So now they live in a society that doesn't shame them for it and they don't feel ashamed doing it.

The rise of New Atheism that permeates our entire public education system, most of our government, most media, etc... has as much to do with that as secular feminism which aligned itself with the rise of New Atheism.

 

[jeremyPJ]

I understand the feminist thing, worked around it in factories, lived beside it, etc. I find it best to just remain silent around it if possible. Have noticed in my church that some of the younger ladies proclaim themselves feminists in conversation. I'm never sure what modern women mean by the term, as I believe that different groups of women have different explanations for this claim. And I tend to stay away from the more troublesome ones for my own sanity. Already dealt with the nasty versions in the past. My mother, who took on fem visions herself when it first became popular (I'm still uncomfortable with the power she possesses) says herself that it will change back, given time. I honestly hope so, as modern men are lost, IMO because they don't know what is expected of them, and feminists certainly can't answer that one.

 

[Isa615]

Great points. I would add that shame isn't just societal. In the past, the person being shamed for fornicating themselves believed what they were doing was wrong. So now they live in a society that doesn't shame them for it and they don't feel ashamed doing it.

The rise of New Atheism that permeates our entire public education system, most of our government, most media, etc... has as much to do with that as secular feminism which aligned itself with the rise of New Atheism.

...just out of curiosity, how is New Atheism any different from Old Atheism?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Without getting into the history of atheism, the differentiation between old atheism which seeded in 1674 bringing forth a harvest of sweeping democide, genocide, persecution, deprivation, and archeological destruction in the 20th century with applied practical atheism and the new atheism we see in the world today is both cultural and in the presentation.

New atheism is virulently intolerant in a direct way (as opposed to settling for embedding it in existentialism, objectivism, secular humanism, nihilism, anarchism, logical positivism, Marxism, feminism, science, etc...). New atheist behavior is both militant and proselytizing in a direct way.

But, like their predecessors the new atheists and their followers have greatly misrepresented Christian epistemology and often engaged in fallacious reasoning and argumentation. Sometimes this is done in ignorance but often it is deliberate and disingenuous on their part.

New atheism is a primary source of discrimination against Christians in Western civilization presently.

...just out of curiosity, how is New Atheism any different from Old Atheism?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I understand the feminist thing, worked around it in factories, lived beside it, etc. I find it best to just remain silent around it if possible. Have noticed in my church that some of the younger ladies proclaim themselves feminists in conversation. I'm never sure what modern women mean by the term, as I believe that different groups of women have different explanations for this claim. And I tend to stay away from the more troublesome ones for my own sanity. Already dealt with the nasty versions in the past. My mother, who took on fem visions herself when it first became popular (I'm still uncomfortable with the power she possesses) says herself that it will change back, given time. I honestly hope so, as modern men are lost, IMO because they don't know what is expected of them, and feminists certainly can't answer that one.

 

[jogoldie]

Ive been reading this tread and I didnt hear any one say anything about..single mothers who are force to be both father and mother of the household...ive been around for a very long time ..ive seen the definition of feminst change with each passing of time...for so long women have been force into the mans role while trying to be a woman at the same time...what I wouldnt of done to have that womans submissive role...even if it had only been for a week..working mens jobs because the so called womens jobs didnt pay enough to feed a rabbit more or less a family...ive driven forklifts with a crew of all men..ive drywalled ,painted and im telling you we dont want to be this way we are forced into it....I would love to live the way God says I dream to be a submissive wife to a man who would follow how God calls him to be ....now dont start bashing me...im not saying all men..ive meet good men tooo...but to me I didnt have a choice..so before you get upset about feminism dont forget where it started...survival....bless you all.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Look at those U.S. birth rates fall:

“I see no evidence of any upturn in fertility, and deaths continue to grow,” says Kenneth Johnson, senior demographer at the University of New Hampshire’s Carsey Institute.

And the economic reports coming out of organizations like the Brookings Institute are simply saying engage in more government deficit spending to single mothers who presently have about 40% of the children in the U.S..

But that car is going to crash. The national debt is so high and deficit spending so great that even with curtailing military spending and raising taxes: it's not going to be possible to continue doing it in the not too distant future. In 2020, we start paying more interest on the national debt than military spending. Think about that. In 2020, we're projected to pay $600 billion a year in interest on the national debt. Wow!

Budget proposal won’t tame debt, interest would soon exceed military spending | Fox News

Kiss the welfare goodbye ladies. The money's going to go to pay creditors who hold the astronomical national debt.

And in this current atheistic feminist dominated anti-male culture with it's high divorce rate and punishing divorce laws that strip men of their freedom (even imprisonment), self-respect, etc... men, as an aggregate statistic, aren't going to stop trending in the direction they are going.

And if the male birth control pill is released... <fill in the blank>.

Mass immigration might provide a replacement solution (and that's why the government is engaging in it) but will spell the doom of Western Civilization as incoming immigrants have radically different cultures, beliefs, behaviors, expectations, and yes IQs.

Truly, only a sweeping systemic systematic return to what worked can turn this around. It would have to be a revival so sweeping and deep that it literally reset our culture, reset the legal system, reset the government, reset public education, reset the economy, etc... to a place of full restoration. A Band-Aid won't work.

And what, pray tell, do you think the odds are that is going to occur in the present environment? 0.00001%?

Not hard to see the future but the future depends on whether the Lord tarries or not. Do we go through another great clash of civilizations which have been occurring since even before Alexander the Great and watch the status quo completely overthrown in time as demographics change everything or does the Lord not tarry resulting in the son of perdition revealing Himself taking us into the final act.

Stay tuned.

 

[Misty77]

Guys, feminists and man-haters are not the same thing. Sometimes they fall into the same category, but not always. You know how the media paints all conservatives as crazy, back-woods, gun-toting inbred lunatics? The same thing is done with feminists. And only the crazy and the extremists are the ones who make the news.

Most of us don't just wake up one morning and think, "Hey, women should be empowered." Most of us are survivors on one level or another. The only reason why we make a big point that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men (that's ALL that feminism really is), is that we have been abused, bullied, or otherwise mistreated based on our gender. Or we saw it happen to those we care about.

That isn't to say then men have never been mistreated or that evils are never done in the name of feminism. But many horrible things have been done in the name of Christianity, too. (Crusades, Inquisition, witch trials: any of that sound familiar?) But you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. You support the good that a movement does, and try to sort the crazies from the rank and file.

And you don't have to agree with someone else's position. But you should support our right to make that decision. Empowering women is NOT the same thing as castrating men. One gender can be raised up without pulling the other one down. Unfortunately, because we live in a fallen world, we don't always get it right. It seems that when government or policy makers get involved, the pendulum swings too far in either direction. The discrimination against men is equally wrong. That doesn't mean that feminism itself is wrong. After all, women's suffrage movement was only successful—after countless decades of gaining no real ground—because men got involved. Both genders worked together when one was being taken advantage of. We should do the same today. When either group is experiencing discrimination, we should lay down our titles, reach across the aisle, and help our fellow human, regardless if our genders are the same.