Talking against the law is dangerous

[just-me]

Matthew 11:28-30

New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

It Actually depends what the "Law" means for you:
"The law of moses" ?
"The will of your church or Pastor"? That have created a philosophy for you, some times to get your tithes u other benefit
"The will of God" ?


In the Old and new testament it mostly means "The law of Moses" and is written "The Law" as a shortcut.
But currently is used in this three ways all together so the poor follower gets more confused than child starting kindergarten.

"Actually the will of God" is what the follower expects is being taught but the reality is it only depends in the size tithing apetite of the Pastor he has fell into.

I think I should finally put this scripture:
Acts 15:10

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


I beg you to read all chapter 15, and 21.

Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Matthew 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Is the will of God a burdensome yoke to those who are truly searching for the truth? answer, no

Acts 15:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Deuteronomy 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

The yoke wasn't God's yoke, it was man's yoke that distorts the truth about God's words.

Deuteronomy 30:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

1 John 5:2-3 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Women can even be circumcised these days. Cool eh?

Colossians 2:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

It's still in the law of the Old Testament.

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

It's all a matter of how God sees it. If we see it different, that yoke is seen as burdensome and is not the yoke Jesus asks us to take onto ourselves. The Yoke of Jesus comes from His Father in heaven who doesn't change.

 

[Zinzerio]

No one, I mean, no one, and again, no one, and I repeat, no one has ever claim the law has the power to do good.
Remember my answer is to your claim that the law cannot protect. So in order to have a meaningful conversation, please do not keep changing topics.

here it says the law gives life look
[h=3]The Holy Spirit Gives Life[/h]8 Those who belong to Christ Jesus are no longer under God’s sentence. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I am now controlled by the law of the Holy Spirit. That law gives me life because of what Christ Jesus has done. It has set me free from the law of sin that brings death.

to me this is the lord saying seeing the law in a positive spiritual sense (yes) (no) i think yes

 

[p_rehbein]

Well, can I quote Paul?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

........well, yes you can........and would you also do so "in context?" you know, like reading through the entire 7th Chapter, AND THEN the 8th Chapter, and the 9th Chapter? To fully understand what Paul is teaching is to "fully digest" ALL he is teaching............just saying.........

 

[Zinzerio]

Jeremiah 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

Matthew 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

excellent the way you put these together amen very good point and also come to me you heavy in laden ? same as burden i think. question can you find heavy in laden or burden in the old testament

 

[just-me]

........well, yes you can........and would you also do so "in context?" you know, like reading through the entire 7th Chapter, AND THEN the 8th Chapter, and the 9th Chapter? To fully understand what Paul is teaching is to "fully digest" ALL he is teaching............just saying.........

14 For we know that the Torah is of the Spirit; but as for me, I am bound to the old nature, sold to sin as a slave. 15 I don't understand my own behavior - I don't do what I want to do; instead, I do the very thing I hate! 16 Now if I am doing what I don't want to do, I am agreeing that the Torah is good. 17 But now it is no longer "the real me" doing it, but the sin housed inside me. 18 For I know that there is nothing good housed inside me - that is, inside my old nature. I can want what is good, but I can't do it! 19 For I don't do the good I want; instead, the evil that I don't want is what I do! 20 But if I am doing what "the real me" doesn't want, it is no longer "the real me" doing it but the sin housed inside me. 21 So I find it to be the rule, a kind of perverse "torah," that although I want to do what is good, evil is right there with me! 22 For in my inner self I completely agree with God's Torah; 23 but in my various parts, I see a different "torah," one that battles with the Torah in my mind and makes me a prisoner of sin's "torah," which is operating in my various parts. 24What a miserable creature I am! Who will rescue me from this body bound for death? 25 Thanks be to God [, he will]! - through Yeshua the Messiah, our Lord! To sum up: with my mind, I am a slave of God's Torah; but with my old nature, I am a slave of sin's "Torah."

There it is p_ehbein,
You can quote Romans between John and me, and then we will all see all of it for the way it is meant to be in context. This is the Complete Jewish Bible, but if you don't like that you are welcome to re-post the KJV or whatever. Paul mentions 2 laws. One is in his flesh, that is his, and teh other is in hi mind, which is God's law. Paul was a Pharisee ya know. Right?

 

[just-me]

excellent the way you put these together amen very good point and also come to me you heavy in laden ? same as burden i think. question can you find heavy in laden or burden in the old testament

This is the heavy yoke of Rehoboam who hated God's law. This was the counsel from men who Rehoboam liked hearing. It was wrong but that's what he wanted to hear.

1 Kings 12:6-15 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And king Rehoboam consulted with the old men, that stood before Solomon his father while he yet lived, and said, How do ye advise that I may answer this people?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But he forsook the counsel of the old men, which they had given him, and consulted with the young men that were grown up with him, and which stood before him:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto them, What counsel give ye that we may answer this people, who have spoken to me, saying, Make the yoke which thy father did put upon us lighter?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the young men that were grown up with him spake unto him, saying, Thus shalt thou speak unto this people that spake unto thee, saying, Thy father made our yoke heavy, but make thou it lighter unto us; thus shalt thou say unto them, My little finger shall be thicker than my father's loins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now whereas my father did lade you with a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my father hath chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam the third day, as the king had appointed, saying, Come to me again the third day.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the king answered the people roughly, and forsook the old men's counsel that they gave him;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And spake to them after the counsel of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, and I will add to your yoke: my father also chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Wherefore the king hearkened not unto the people; for the cause was from the LORD, that he might perform his saying, which the LORD spake by Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

 

[CRC]

The Mosaic Law is the product of the Greatest legalistic judiciary inside and outside of the known universe. So indeed that portion of scripture is inspired by God and is beneficial. However, the Law was just a shadow of the good things the come. Besides being a “tutor” for the Jews it exposed the Jews as sinners against the “Law Covenant”, thus pointing to and demonstrating the need for a “perfect sacrifice”-the Lamb of God.(John 1:29)
Although the Jewish priests continued to offer sacrifices at the temple in Jerusalem until its destruction in 70 C.E., the sacrifices for sin ceased having acceptance and validity with God. Just before Jesus’ death he said to Jerusalem: “Your house is abandoned to you.” (Mt 23:38) Christ “offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually . . . For it is by one sacrificial offering that he has made those who are being sanctified perfect perpetually.” “Now where there is forgiveness [of sins and lawless deeds], there is no longer an offering for sin.” (Heb 10:12-14, 18) The apostle Paul points out that Jeremiah’s prophecy spoke of a new covenant, the former covenant (Law covenant) being thereby made obsolete and growing old, “near to vanishing away.”—Heb 8:7-13.

 

[phil112]

Good post until the But.
If you are an honest citizen, would you be offended when others say the law which is protecting us is good and praise the government who gives the law?

The literal law doesn't protect me as much as my gun. My bullet is faster than 911. The spiritual law is not as effective as my " whole armour of God", my "shield of faith", and my " sword of the Spirit". You wait on the law if you want. Literally or spiritually, you will be dead before it is able to help. You keep falling back on those beggarly elements, they have no salvation in, or thru, them.

 

[just-me]

You accuse us here of challenging your argument with a pre-determined mindset, and yet in this topic we see you have a pre-determined mindset in accusing us of criticising the law.

Nobody here has been denigrating the law. We all admit the the law is good, just, holy, Rom 7:12.
But what you are looking past is the scripturally supported view we present here that Christ is the END of the law for righteousness, Rom 10:4

Instead of the law we see scripture confirm that it's our faith that is counted for righteousness, rom 4:5.

Note 2Cor3:7-11
But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.

Here we see to 2 covenants, 2 different paths to righteousness. The old covenant is labelled the ministry of condemnation/death. The new covenant is labelled the ministry of the Spirit/righteousness.
Both are glorious.
But one is a much more glorious path than the other.

most of us here choose the much more glorious path. The ministry of the Spirit/righteousness. We choose grace.

In choosing grace we therefore must not mix any part of the old covenant with it. A lukewarm mix of grace with works of the law is not acceptable to God, Rev 3:15.
We cannot mix grace with works of the law.
Rom 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.


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nobody has said that the law has changed. Instead we are saying that Christ is the END of the law for righteousness, Rom 10:4. Instead of the law we see in scripture that it's our faith that is counted for righteousness now, Rom 4:5.

The thief on the cross was changed. He was righteous, holy, perfected, all due to Christ's sacrifice. And the thief did not personally obey the law to receive this.

So in your opinion is the "end of the law" the finishing touch of a divine plan, or the end meaning no longer incorporated with the plan because of the New Testament? Is there a separation between God's law, and God's grace in your opinion, or is there a separation between what we used to be, and what we are now due to God's grace? You don't have to answer those if you don't want to. They can be taken as rhetorical questions.

What I am adamantly advocating is that God's word is just as true in the Old Covenant as the New, and is still the living word for today. It didn't change as so many want it changed so they don't have to see it as a continuing part of this divine plan that our Father, and our Savior devised in love before the beginning of time.

To prove the grace of Jesus Christ is not at odds with the Mosaic law as it originally was intended, I submit to you that our Lord and Savior was on Mount Sinai just as He was on the mount of transfiguration. Jesus taught the Old Testament. If you want scripture to back that up, just ask. GBU

By the way. I like the scriptures you posted.

 

[jag1977]

........well, yes you can........and would you also do so "in context?" you know, like reading through the entire 7th Chapter, AND THEN the 8th Chapter, and the 9th Chapter? To fully understand what Paul is teaching is to "fully digest" ALL he is teaching............just saying.........

For we know that the law is spiritual: "BUT" I am carnal, sold under sin

BUT= cast out the following words of the sentence

 

[just-me]

The Mosaic Law is the product of the Greatest legalistic judiciary inside and outside of the known universe. So indeed that portion of scripture is inspired by God and is beneficial. However, the Law was just a shadow of the good things the come. Besides being a “tutor” for the Jews it exposed the Jews as sinners against the “Law Covenant”, thus pointing to and demonstrating the need for a “perfect sacrifice”-the Lamb of God.(John 1:29)
Although the Jewish priests continued to offer sacrifices at the temple in Jerusalem until its destruction in 70 C.E., the sacrifices for sin ceased having acceptance and validity with God. Just before Jesus’ death he said to Jerusalem: “Your house is abandoned to you.” (Mt 23:38) Christ “offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually . . . For it is by one sacrificial offering that he has made those who are being sanctified perfect perpetually.” “Now where there is forgiveness [of sins and lawless deeds], there is no longer an offering for sin.” (Heb 10:12-14, 18) The apostle Paul points out that Jeremiah’s prophecy spoke of a new covenant, the former covenant (Law covenant) being thereby made obsolete and growing old, “near to vanishing away.”—Heb 8:7-13.

So if Paul esteemed the law as good, Spiritual, holy and just, being a Pharisee himself, and also tutored in legalistic matters, what did Paul do differently than the Jewish priests? Could it be that Paul acknowledged the temple made without hands and related it truthfully in Spirit because he was well educated on the law and Levitical temple worship?

 

[Zinzerio]

This is the heavy yoke of Rehoboam who hated God's law. This was the counsel from men who Rehoboam liked hearing. It was wrong but that's what he wanted to hear.

1 Kings 12:6-15 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And king Rehoboam consulted with the old men, that stood before Solomon his father while he yet lived, and said, How do ye advise that I may answer this people?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they spake unto him, saying, If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day, and wilt serve them, and answer them, and speak good words to them, then they will be thy servants for ever.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But he forsook the counsel of the old men, which they had given him, and consulted with the young men that were grown up with him, and which stood before him:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto them, What counsel give ye that we may answer this people, who have spoken to me, saying, Make the yoke which thy father did put upon us lighter?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the young men that were grown up with him spake unto him, saying, Thus shalt thou speak unto this people that spake unto thee, saying, Thy father made our yoke heavy, but make thou it lighter unto us; thus shalt thou say unto them, My little finger shall be thicker than my father's loins.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And now whereas my father did lade you with a heavy yoke, I will add to your yoke: my father hath chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam the third day, as the king had appointed, saying, Come to me again the third day.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the king answered the people roughly, and forsook the old men's counsel that they gave him;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And spake to them after the counsel of the young men, saying, My father made your yoke heavy, and I will add to your yoke: my father also chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Wherefore the king hearkened not unto the people; for the cause was from the LORD, that he might perform his saying, which the LORD spake by Ahijah the Shilonite unto Jeroboam the son of Nebat.

Jeremiah 17:9 The Sin and Punishment of Judah
…8"For he will be like a tree planted by the water, That extends its roots by a stream And will not fear when the heat comes; But its leaves will be green, And it will not be anxious in a year of drought Nor cease to yield fruit. 9"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? 10"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.…

Here we see in Jeremiah the heart is deceitful and also sick, the way in which im seeing this is this the heart was was persecuted when old and set in the old way but now its heavy in laden then come to lord for his burden is light this speaks of thee which is to come it speaks of the new creation i feel that the heart was set in pagans ways the spirit was tainted, meaning yours or mine the heart the body and the mind are intertwined like a spiritual connection.

when the seed is planted the plant grows just like the body of christ when the seed is planted in brothers and sisters the body of Christ grows to for we know it is the will of God for all to be saved all we have to do is honor our father when the calling comes, can we try to make belief something we do not fully understand i think not so one must be prudent we seek we knock we find and when two or more can come into agreement the lord is present, its been great these last few days i have been so into his word and the strength i feel is awesome thank you lord and thankyou God bless

 

[just-me]

Jeremiah 17:9 The Sin and Punishment of Judah
…8"For he will be like a tree planted by the water, That extends its roots by a stream And will not fear when the heat comes; But its leaves will be green, And it will not be anxious in a year of drought Nor cease to yield fruit. 9"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? 10"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.…

Here we see in Jeremiah the heart is deceitful and also sick, the way in which im seeing this is this the heart was was persecuted when old and set in the old way but now its heavy in laden then come to lord for his burden is light this speaks of thee which is to come it speaks of the new creation i feel that the heart was set in pagans ways the spirit was tainted, meaning yours or mine the heart the body and the mind are intertwined like a spiritual connection.

when the seed is planted the plant grows just like the body of christ when the seed is planted in brothers and sisters the body of Christ grows to for we know it is the will of God for all to be saved all we have to do is honor our father when the calling comes, can we try to make belief something we do not fully understand i think not so one must be prudent we seek we knock we find and when two or more can come into agreement the lord is present, its been great these last few days i have been so into his word and the strength i feel is awesome thank you lord and thankyou God bless

Agreed!
The law and the old covenant are like the ground in the parable of the sower and the seed. Like the heart in this parable, it is plowed and fertilized, and ready to be planed. The pathway, and thorns, and the stony grown haven't been prepared, and the seed fails to take root even if it starts, it finally dies. As the Word of God is the seed, it must die in order to germinate, and develop root in the heart. This is the beginning, and a New Testament, or testimony. The preparation of the heart is sincerity, and the growth of the seed begins to bear fruit.

Take the soil away from the plant as see what happens.

 

[jag1977]

25 THEN shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took THEIR lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And five of THEM were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]THEY THAT were foolish took THEIR lamps, and took no oil with THEM:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]While the bridegroom tarried, THEY all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And at midnight THERE was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go YE out to meet HIM.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]THEN all THOSE virgins arose, and trimmed THEIR lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the foolish said unto the wise, Give US of YOUR oil; for OUR lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And while THEY went to buy, the bridegroom came; and THEY THAT were ready went in with HIM to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to US.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Watch therefore, for YE know neither the day nor the hour wherein the SON of MAN cometh.

 

[Zinzerio]

Agreed!
The law and the old covenant are like the ground in the parable of the sower and the seed. Like the heart in this parable, it is plowed and fertilized, and ready to be planed. The pathway, and thorns, and the stony grown haven't been prepared, and the seed fails to take root even if it starts, it finally dies. As the Word of God is the seed, it must die in order to germinate, and develop root in the heart. This is the beginning, and a New Testament, or testimony. The preparation of the heart is sincerity, and the growth of the seed begins to bear fruit.

Take the soil away from the plant as see what happens.

Some people do believe that the old testament was just for the Jews i once herd someone say it i don't want to say which faith said this but just making the point that if we don't know then we ask we don't try to teach something we don't fully understand.

I wonder why Jews no longer stone people to death because i know they have removed that punishment from there law and others to so maybe they have excepted some way of Jesus who knows man but it does divide i think for reasons like this maybe Jews don't like us christian having a debatable discussion about the law maybe the Jews just like think your farther is the same farther as ours let him be the judge ? who knows what they think. All i know the farther has put all authority under the son.
God bless

 

[haz]

So in your opinion is the "end of the law" the finishing touch of a divine plan, or the end meaning no longer incorporated with the plan because of the New Testament? Is there a separation between God's law, and God's grace in your opinion, or is there a separation between what we used to be, and what we are now due to God's grace?

I get the impression from what you are saying that you are not content with grace alone. You seem not content that the thief on the cross was saved without any deeds of the law whatsoever. Hence you keep trying to find an angle to bring the law in as part of what God requires of us.

Christ is the END of the law for righteousness, to everyone that believes, Rom 10:4
Clearly this indicates that now there is an alternate way to the law for us to become righteous. Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. There's no mention of the law in this alternate way. In fact we cannot even mix works of the law with grace, Rom 11:6. This therefore excludes any possible angle to include the law.

Jesus taught the Old Testament.

Yes, Jesus taught the law. But that was before he went to the cross.

Matt 19:17-21 is one scripture that is often quoted by those pushing the law.
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

Here Jesus preached the law, as that was before the cross. but note he went further to answer what to do to become perfect, which the law failed to do.

And how do we become perfect?
Heb 10:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

And how were Christians sanctified?
Heb 10:10
By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

A Christian's holiness, perfection, righteousness is all through Christ's sacrifice. Other than the law being fulfilled through Christ's sacrifice, it plays no further part in our holiness, perfection, righteousness.

The body is already dead (by faith) because of sin (Rom 8:10. why would anybody then turn back to he law to judge oneself according to deeds of the law?

 

[ivanc0]

Some people do believe that the old testament was just for the Jews i once herd someone say it i don't want to say which faith said this but just making the point that if we don't know then we ask we don't try to teach something we don't fully understand.
God bless

Actually I do think that the Old testament is pure Historical and referential, any law stated there is void. null. terminated, fulfilled.

Jesus gave us a new covenant, new set of rules mathew 5-6.
Instituted apostles to Guide us.

And what we do. we go back to the OT, trying to enforce old laws.

Please stop for a second and think.... Am I a Judaizant?

Or a follower of the Grace?.

 

[ji]

All that the Father has done for me, i will never be able to repay Him, but at least i can do my best to obey him.

Amen
God Bless

 

[Tintin]

The Law is necessary but it condemns. The Law makes us aware that we're sinful, that we can't reach God's standards of perfection and that we need to be saved from our sin that only brings death. Jesus Christ is our righteousness. Once He's our Lord, God looks on us and see His Son's righteousness. Jesus suffered, died and rose again in our place. Grace is what saves. It's God's undeserved love. It's Christianity 101.

 

[Karraster]

Probably the "opinion" that wins the prize:

"Yes, Jesus taught the law. But that was before he went to the cross."

Huh? Jesus had no idea that He was "slain from the foundation of the world?" Wow, now that's creative.
Please consider,
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Don't you know that God has shown mankind what it is to be holy, to be set apart? Yet there are those who plug the ears, not wanting to hear or hearken to the knocking at the door, so they hold that truth in unrighteousness.


19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This is New Testament, believe it or not:

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Hmm, sounds a lot like the Old Testament to me.