AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. 15In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. 16In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. 17For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually. 19And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying, 20Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; 21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. 22As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
23Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
23Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
Anyone who teaches that works are required for salvation. or that salvation can be lost because of works (or lack of) misunderstands james.
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. 15In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. 16In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. 17For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually. 19And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying, 20Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; 21Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers. 22As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.
23Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
23Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them. 25Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; 26Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
K
this is true. claiming one day they don't believe they rely on works of the law for salvation, yet being shown to. it's sad, but interesting how clearly they're seen for what they are from outside their sect. yet within it, they are smug and certain. no one will change their minds.
E
what do you think of post 808 that clearly say that we do become condemned ?
it does not say we can become condemned. That would be a misapplication of what John is saying.
It also goes to what I was saying, If we try to follow law. We can only have our hearts condemn us, Because no matter how hard we try, we still fail to follow this law. Those who follow Grace understand that their is no more condemnation. And to these people. we can have confidence in God. Because we know it is not us, it is HIM we place our confidence him (which is impossible when we try to follow law)
E
this is true. claiming one day they don't believe they rely on works of the law for salvation, yet being shown to. it's sad, but interesting how clearly they're seen for what they are from outside their sect. yet within it, they are smug and certain. no one will change their minds.
But I think we can see from the way they speak, that most do trust in this salvation by law. Including a few you are discussing with now.
I would agree that they are only not apposed to each other as one is supposed to lead us to the other.
But they are apposed to each other when someone attempts to place them side by side to live their christian life.
But they are apposed to each other when someone attempts to place them side by side to live their christian life.
E
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Told about people who were adding the works of the law to grace, trying to force people who were saved by grace to go back to works of the law.
sound familiar?
K
and? you go on and on (you ought not) about how much you love the Word and the law. yet you do not know this is ancient history? you are confused. that's normal. but arrogant and postering in your error is unacceptable.
Hebrews 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
Exodus 32:13
Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.'"
Deuteronomy 1:8
See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the land the LORD swore he would give to your fathers--to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob--and to their descendants after them."
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Jeremiah 22:5
But if you do not obey these commands, declares the LORD, I swear by myself that this palace will become a ruin.'"
Jeremiah 44:26
But hear the word of the LORD, all you Jews living in Egypt: 'I swear by my great name,' says the LORD, 'that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, "As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives."
They will say, "What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created."
I will say, there are some in here who do not rely on the law for salvation. They do not condemn others who do not worship as they do (by the law) and understand that salvation is secure, no matter how good they follow these laws.
But I think we can see from the way they speak, that most do trust in this salvation by law. Including a few you are discussing with now.
But I think we can see from the way they speak, that most do trust in this salvation by law. Including a few you are discussing with now.
my issue is not with jews.
it's with false teachers (who not are not jews, they're deceived gentiles who in truth and action do not want to be associated with the christian church.).
it's with false teachers (who not are not jews, they're deceived gentiles who in truth and action do not want to be associated with the christian church.).
E
well, these that boast of their feast days and months and food laws and sabbaths (even if they state they don't believe they are saved or sanctified by this) are either deceived or deceiving. the warnings against this leaven is serious. but they have a way around it. new teachings from Modalist "messianics" who eventually just come right out with it. like my friend on another thread who sweeps his cars for yeast claiming this was paul's instruction. and the gall to claim we do not understand the spiritual side of the Law. oh brother.
ancient history?
Hebrews 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
Exodus 32:13
Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.'"
Deuteronomy 1:8
See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the land the LORD swore he would give to your fathers--to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob--and to their descendants after them."
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Jeremiah 22:5
But if you do not obey these commands, declares the LORD, I swear by myself that this palace will become a ruin.'"
Jeremiah 44:26
But hear the word of the LORD, all you Jews living in Egypt: 'I swear by my great name,' says the LORD, 'that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, "As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives."
They will say, "What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created."
Hebrews 6:13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
Exodus 32:13
Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.'"
Deuteronomy 1:8
See, I have given you this land. Go in and take possession of the land the LORD swore he would give to your fathers--to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob--and to their descendants after them."
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Jeremiah 22:5
But if you do not obey these commands, declares the LORD, I swear by myself that this palace will become a ruin.'"
Jeremiah 44:26
But hear the word of the LORD, all you Jews living in Egypt: 'I swear by my great name,' says the LORD, 'that no one from Judah living anywhere in Egypt will ever again invoke my name or swear, "As surely as the Sovereign LORD lives."
They will say, "What happened to the promise that Jesus is coming again? From before the times of our ancestors, everything has remained the same since the world was first created."
none of that has anything to do with the two houses being joined. that was what Christ performed. God kept his promise. but you desire to be a child of the flesh primarily. the promise is secondary. in fact, for you, the promise is just moses made better.
you may do as you please. you may not teach others to follow you.
The person I speak of does not boast about it. He just will claim he follows some things (ie the sabbath) and to be honest, I agree with him some, God gave the sabbath for our benefit ( a day of rest) the problem is man have distorted what the sabbath means, And this is where I would disagree with them. (Ie it is not a day of worship, it is a day of rest) You can worship while you rest, thats fine, But we should worship every day, Not just one day a week
you first have to make distinction on whether people are deliberately trying to be false teacher befor you say as much. As we can see from this thread many people have different ideologies and since you have not made many posts then there is a good chance you have missed some wonderful posts by karrester.
show me the wonderful posts by karrester. i'll decide.
E
i don't recall paul boasting about a day of rest. i recall him working tirelessly everyday suffering for the only thing he considered worthy to be preached to these double-minded - christ and him crucified. i don't hear this from these people. their trust is in empty and vain rituals which God himself inspired paul to indicate as such (circumcision).
But to me it is not a ritual. It is a day of rest. Work hard six days, and take one day to rest our body and souls. That is what it was originally intended for.
AGain. Man have twisted the meaning, the meaning is still a good thing.