Do you think Nick Griffin is a 'Nazi'

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Kathleen

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I live in Scotland and I read the news everyday on the internet- as i have no TV - and some (or most) of the headlines yesterday and today were about Nick Griffin and his section on question time.

Now I am unaware if any American's follow British politics..but Nick Griffin is the leader of the BNP.

Now I agree that not all of his ppoints are good..

but most of them, i belive, are. He basically wants it so that no immigrants come into Britian, just to scam for benifits, from the taxpayers pockets.

He has been branded as 'Nazi' - in comparison to the nazi germans who killed thousands of innocent jews, or shot a guy in the street for the colour of his hair.

Do you belive this is a just and fair NickName?
 
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He's clearly not a member of the Nazi party. It's just a convenient comparison - the man has said things publicly that make it clear his agenda is similar.
 
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I know that - im saying what are your veiws on him - do you think he should be compared to a pary that killed thousands of innocent people - just because he thinks that immigrants shouldnt be allowed to come into britain just for benifits - from the tax payers money
 
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Kathleen said:
I know that - im saying what are your veiws on him - do you think he should be compared to a pary that killed thousands of innocent people - just because he thinks that immigrants shouldnt be allowed to come into britain just for benifits - from the tax payers money
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The Nazis killed thousands of innocent people? Oh boy. No use arguing about Griffin if you believe his views on the Holocaust.
 
Kathleen

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lol - thats y i said I do not agree with all of his points

Also - its not a big debate - i was just wondering wether people though he deserved all this stick just coz he wants it so immigrants dont mooch of all the taxpayers - which is basically what all the stick is about
 
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Kathleen said:
Also - its not a big debate - i was just wondering wether people though he deserved all this stick just coz he wants it so immigrants dont mooch of all the taxpayers - which is basically what all the stick is about
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It's not that simple by any stretch of the imagination. For instance, he (and you, apparently) believe that the death of millions of Jews in the Holocaust was a hoax. He thinks that ships, if they contain illegal immigrants, should be sunk. Etc., etc.

Have you bothered to look up this man's history?
 
Kathleen

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Yes i have and dont just assume that I think that i am in denial about the holocost - Of course it was true my gretat uncle died in aushwitz.

And once again i am saying not all his points are good - such as ships with immigrnats in them being sunk

But what I am saying his most fundemental point - immigrants moochin - i belive is good - and that is y he is gettin all this stick.

Maybe the papers over in America are diffrent or your being fed a diffrent story that the one that has been all over the news, here in britian
 
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Yes i have and dont just assume that I think that i am in denial about the holocost - Of course it was true my gretat uncle died in aushwitz.
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You said the Nazis killed thousands of innocent people. There are two posssible implications here - either the rest of the millions of people the Nazis killed weren't innocent and deserved to be killed or the Nazis didn't kill millions. Which is it?

But what I am saying his most fundemental point - immigrants moochin - i belive is good - and that is y he is gettin all this stick.
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This is incorrect. The man doesn't get to make a livelihood out of antisemitic, antiforeigner, anti-Muslim, antigay statements and then all the sudden forget them. People dislike him because he's made it quite clear what he stands for. His recent rhetoric is just icing on a very hateful cake. Nobody's fooled, even if he's recently managed to avoid foaming at the mouth.
 
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dustyzafu said:
You said the Nazis killed thousands of innocent people. There are two posssible implications here - either the rest of the millions of people the Nazis killed weren't innocent and deserved to be killed or the Nazis didn't kill millions. Which is it
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Your just being awkward now - Do you want me to quote exactly how many people died in the holocost - your so frustrating. You pick up one word and stick to it - your not gettin the over all picture - one, a hundred, a thousand, a million - it dosent matter!
 
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one, a hundred, a thousand, a million - it dosent matter!
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No, they're only people. Haha, just kidding, I know what you mean.

To answer your question I think the media are very good at misrepresenting people, and Nick Griffin is no different. The BBC were already attributing to him things he did not say the morning after he was on Question Time. He's obviously not a Nazi, but some of his ideas are quite authoritarian, but to be honest we can thank New Labour for starting that trend.

I think people like to jump on the bandwagon - which is precisely what happened on the programme. However, the 'anti-fascist' protestors outside the BBC made me laugh, because they were essentially arguing for censorship...
 
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Yes, when asking people to discuss a well-known Holocaust denier, it is important not to make similar claims. If you can't be bothered to be precise about the number, why include a number at all? Do you mean what you say or should we just ignore it?

I get the sense you made an honest mistake, but you couldn't have picked a worse one if you want to be credible.
 
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dustyzafu said:
Yes, when asking people to discuss a well-known Holocaust denier, it is important not to make similar claims. If you can't be bothered to be precise about the number, why include a number at all? Do you mean what you say or should we just ignore it?

I get the sense you made an honest mistake, but you couldn't have picked a worse one if you want to be credible.
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If anthing should be ignored, Its you and this pointless post about numbers...
 
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Kathleen I like some aspects of Nick Griffin.

He certainly has a questionable past with involvement in some very far right wing groups including white supremacists, and although he says he has changed his views, you have to wonder....

His party previously had an anti-semitic platform but I'm pretty sure a jewish lady now holds a pretty high position within the party. Holocuast denial is ridiculous and I don't know why so many of these far right parties feel the need to have it as part of their agenda. Griffin has turned the party around though to focus on a more anti-islamic platform.

He raises some good points about islam not being compatible with western society, the level of immigration, and the pace of cultural change. I mean I'm not against immigration or culturally insensitive, but who wants to live in a suburb where no-one speaks your language and everyone wears unusual clothes? I can understand people's reluctance to accept immigration on the scale that is happening in some european countries.

The protests about him being on BBC were an absolute joke and made me mad. I mean this guy's party holds seats in the EU parliament. Regardless of what led to that occuring, that should entitle him to air time on TV. I'd still be very wary though of anyone who thinks or has thought that people of one colour are better than people of another colour, and I'm sure alot of BNP members hold those views.
 
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I mean I'm not against immigration or culturally insensitive, but who wants to live in a suburb where no-one speaks your language and everyone wears unusual clothes?
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I can understand the language issue, but "unusual clothes"? Why do you have a problem with that? It's a lot better than the "no clothes" option which seems to be the fashion here in England.
 
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Whats so bad about being anti-muslim!?
 
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Kathleen said:
I know that - im saying what are your veiws on him - do you think he should be compared to a pary that killed thousands of innocent people - just because he thinks that immigrants shouldnt be allowed to come into britain just for benifits - from the tax payers money
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millions of innocent people.
 
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Pineapple said:
I can understand the language issue, but "unusual clothes"? Why do you have a problem with that? It's a lot better than the "no clothes" option which seems to be the fashion here in England.
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Well, the clothing that is worn in some cultures contrasts starkly with the clothing that is worn is western societies. It is one of the most obvious things that stands out about someone when you see them walking down the street. It is a reminder that the demographic composition of your suburb is changing, and that can make some people uncomfortable.

Not wishing to single out the islamic clothing style, but I personally find the full body burqa particularly objectionable, and would support proposals to have it banned. Not being able to see someone's face is horrible in my opinion, and I can definitely understand why people would feel intimidated in the presence of a group of people who they can't even see. A sense of anonymity is introduced which leads to suspicion, and erosion of the community fabric.
 
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