Does Leviticus Say Masturbation is Okay?

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you didn't guess there..you just confronted truth..
Apart from straight sexual intercourse,orgy activities are abomination...

Making Love is not like behaving as animals..think you get it.
That's exactly what sodomry means..(homosexuality was another prob they had)
Holy Scripture is against it..

note:- i didn't use some direct words to describe here,because it will affect the mind of people...
But i tell you for sure,God sees your craving to be Holy like Him...and God will reward you openly for that.Be Honest before God always.David was...

Okay then heres my question. I am really curious as to your answer. If you read the Leviticus quote, it talks about semen being on clothing and the women... if the only sex that is allowed is straight intercourse, than why is this mentioned?

If you have straight intercourse, the semen will remain inside the woman. However, if you do not, it will fall on clothing etc. as in the scripture. So my question is, why does the verse say this, if only straight intercourse is allowed?
 

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I tend to be more along the lines of whatever a husband and wife choose to do within their marriage sexually is up to them as long as it stays behind just the two of them.
 

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When we fall so deep into sin that perversion is seen as good

there is no salvation except by Jesus mercy
Read your Bible and go to Jesus
He may be nerciful to you/
 
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Note that the devil always make the law of God hard, this is bondage

The law of God is according to his creation and he didn't wanted to give the people the law because there is no sin on earth which you will commit without knowing that you are commiting a sin, however Isearalites asked God for the law because they couldn't stop sinning against God by then, remember golden Calf.

This law is not different from the one that says there are foods that you are not supposed to eat, those foods makes you only unclean because they are unclean but there is no sin even against God in eating them and those who have regards for such laws they endup becoming self-rightous.

I like the one who says the problems lies within your heart, what are you thinking when you musterbate?

But this is a natural cause because if you don't musterbate being 21 or more the simen will still come-out of you and defile your clothes or your bed.

The church may outlaw musterbation because people after musterbating they want to have experiment of how it feels with the opposite outside marriage.
 

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Perversion always has a following
when you engage in it the holy spirit leaves your mind
and it is wide open to satan
and he and seven others enter
very few return to God.
 
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When you masterbate the devil is allowed to possess you... very few return.
 

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most possessed teachers scribbes and pharisees in Jesus time thought they were Gods leaders
they were possessed by the devil...
everyone possessed thinks they are working for God, then they kill you.
 

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The way to tell if you are possessed is how you respond to correction from the Bible
if someone brings up a bible text that disproves you,
a possessed person gets angry
a holy spirit person will change immediately and thank the person
that is super rare...
 
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David just try to be more natural and you will see the whole picture

The mouth is for eating, period

Your back is for realisng the old food, period

Pervesion will happen when you act unnaturally and God hates this and you can see many scriptures that outline this matter

It's like sleeping with the dog, in your mind you know you are doing something wrong/evil even if you were never told about it

Believe the bible is good but you don't need it to understand this
 
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Okay then heres my question. I am really curious as to your answer. If you read the Leviticus quote, it talks about semen being on clothing and the women... if the only sex that is allowed is straight intercourse, than why is this mentioned?

If you have straight intercourse, the semen will remain inside the woman. However, if you do not, it will fall on clothing etc. as in the scripture. So my question is, why does the verse say this, if only straight intercourse is allowed?
Actually i answered your question which was the starting question of the thread,at the same time when i posted the other comments earlier in this thread.Because i had some net connection prob, the comment was not posted.

So here it goes,
As i wrote in that comment earlier which will answer about masturbation also.

lust of flesh is a delicate issue..
masturbation is a sin!

Holy Scripture supports only straight intercourse and God only honors such,because it is done for pro-creation and its a Glorious act that God honors between husband and wife.Orgies are not allowed,so is self pleasure...(masturbation)..its applicable to men,women,....boys,girls-who are teenagers..

Natural way:a man's fluid must go out(if in excess)without doing it by self,if not having sexual intercourse.
bad habits can be cured by God's help,that's why God is providing Grace to help us where we cannot.

Natural sex is - man's face to women's face and bottom part respectively to the bottom part,...no other way.
Those who have probs dealing with this must ask to God for forgiveness and do it like God means it...
What you pointed out from Leviticus is true and your doubts are not doubts,its time to confirm them.
Yes,its a sin before God to not clean oneself for long time from stain and, also using or letting such stained clothes remain for a long time.And since that was in OT,judgement was sudden.But in NT,Grace of God(in Holy Spirit) is there to Forgive ignorance and attitude probs,..but its not a license.

we must change our old ways,...but some attitudes might not be easy to put out as addiction sometimes has its deep roots.So is the case for those who do self pleasure(irrespective of genders).i know its not easy as i said it.
This is where condemnation preachers go wrong..

If it wasn't for Jesus,i would have perished long time ago getting mixed in this world.Since am an artist temptation is many times fold than normal people.
...But God's Grace revealed itself in time that God is seeing my efforts to be with God.i came this far by His Grace,Jesus alone is the reason i survive today,..and i am running for the Glorious dawn in Heaven being there despite probs i face.
Deliverance came one by one when i surrendered myself(i realized at that point in time God still Loves me even if no one else cares) to God's hands,still getting freed from many things which is unbelievable for me...and that too without struggle,because God is in control:)

In OT,many famous men of God like King David,Gideon,Abraham,etc had many wives.But they never promoted any kind of orgies.
they Honored God.In NT,since the emphasis is for journey to Heaven,Aims are different and Sanctification is on a Higher level and,not sinning and making excuses.Polygamy is not allowed,and orgies or self pleasure or lusting in mind is even not allowed.

But,
God is Merciful if we go to Him as we are and, pour out our heart to Him revealing 'its not within us to get out from tempting situations and weakness in flesh'.For this is what we are provided with 'Anointing of the Holy Spirit'.Getting Strengthened in Holy Spirit separates us from the world and prepares us for Heaven.

And the main issue is self pride.When that is slowly removed,rest which are hanging on that bad attitude(Which made adam disobey in the first place.Saying this to give not much importance to 'lust of flesh' which is not the core prob.When we give credit for something bad that doesn't deserve it,it scares us,
..so is the case with the devil...)
we have will be plucked out one by one by God.
Learn to walk in Godly Humility,its not easy..but God will teach when we seek Him more..

Hope i cleared some of the doubts you have related to what you asked.

Medical probs with orgies and self pleasure(masturbation):
twisted thinking,memory loss,unhealthy habits,conscience pricking,etc..
Rest in the list too ugly to talk about since orgies are demonically influenced.
(Where God's Presence is not there,demons-evil spirits comes in...so don't go 'what?thats silly' on what i said..)

am not perfect,but on the way to Perfection that God has seen in me by His Grace(not by my smartness and He leads)
Running only for that and keeping and giving it the prime importance in life...
Learn to do that,sinning will become less(no matter what,even vain talk)
( :p somethings takes time,yes i have to admit,still learning so many things)

if you have doubts,please ask and we will discuss within limits.
And don't make any assumptions on me based on what i said here.
Discussion are healthier to clear doubts than moving along without talking and relying on wild guessing.

God Bless:) and be sincere before God like this to know and Live in Holiness He demands.
our desperate efforts God honors,..:)
Then only He can change us to Good..
And best wieshes for your exams.

note:-
Ultimately,we start overcoming when we start shedding our self pride..
Yes,a sinless Prayer filled walk with Jesus is Possible if we put our heart into it seriously.
Look for Godly things and give it prime importance in your life.When we faint God will hold us and make us move on again...

 
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The way to tell if you are possessed is how you respond to correction from the Bible
if someone brings up a bible text that disproves you,
a possessed person gets angry
a holy spirit person will change immediately and thank the person
that is super rare...
lol.Then we might be having world wide revival everywhere...

How's your victorious life in Christ going and you corrected and turned away from every kind of lust the moment you heard a command from another Godly person that it was wrong.
Check.Check your past and then say its all easy.

Did you forget to read the passage where Jesus told about the two people who reacted in different ways to the command of their superior?
First one heard and nodded he will do as the superior commanded,but he didn't go.
The second one refused to go at first and then went later repenting...
i don't remember the exact passage,i think it was about 2 brothers and think you might be knowing the passage.

A seed takes time to Grow even if its in Good Ground and its supposed to grow to its perfect size in its season,..its not magic.

Its funny how people makes things sound so easy.If what you said was true we wouldn't be having so many denominations in Christ now and we would have been following the Life Style the Early Apostles followed(The True church)..think please..
 
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When you masterbate the devil is allowed to possess you... very few return.
not possessed,influenced....
and don't make it look scary...

its a silly habit.
Delicate enough to entangle,but with Godly Guidance can be plucked out.
yet,main tool condemnation preachers use to scare others who try to come close to God.

Can you please share your perfect walk in Christ since the day you got saved?Cast the stone then...to kill the harlot.
How many hours do you Pray in a day and that too for the lost ones to come to Jesus in more numbers?
Do you share Gospel?
 
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most possessed teachers scribbes and pharisees in Jesus time thought they were Gods leaders
they were possessed by the devil...
everyone possessed thinks they are working for God, then they kill you.
how do you know to discern them?
Its a genuine question..
It has bugged for a long time.
Its the same with those who preach contradicting the message another person told.What is that?a different Holy Spirit?
Lets talk about reality,not just history but whats happening in present times..

you spoke about getting angry in a earlier thread:D
So if a person gets angry for an advice given, is possessed?
devilish activity comes out when it has no more ground to hide.
if satan was so easy to be figure out,then i hope things might have been easier to do in Christian walk.
 
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Note that the devil always make the law of God hard, this is bondage

The law of God is according to his creation and he didn't wanted to give the people the law because there is no sin on earth which you will commit without knowing that you are commiting a sin, however Isearalites asked God for the law because they couldn't stop sinning against God by then, remember golden Calf.

This law is not different from the one that says there are foods that you are not supposed to eat, those foods makes you only unclean because they are unclean but there is no sin even against God in eating them and those who have regards for such laws they endup becoming self-rightous.

I like the one who says the problems lies within your heart, what are you thinking when you musterbate?

But this is a natural cause because if you don't musterbate being 21 or more the simen will still come-out of you and defile your clothes or your bed.

The church may outlaw musterbation because people after musterbating they want to have experiment of how it feels with the opposite outside marriage.

"The church may outlaw musterbation because people after musterbating they want to have experiment of how it feels with the opposite outside marriage."
-that's wrong thinking.

Self Pleasure is entertained by immoral people and people who grew up in Christian background (immoral people)falls for their trap either through the corrupt media or friends circle.
And the church that throws out people with weakness without helping them and morally supporting them to get out of it will have to answer to God one day.And by weakness,its not just lust of flesh,..there are people who try to get out habits more difficult than that(not even sexual..),which happened in the first place because they had the wrong pic of Jesus thrust into their hearts by 'churchianity'.

"But this is a natural cause because if you don't musterbate being 21 or more the simen will still come-out of you and defile your clothes or your bed."
-that's how it must go out.

"Note that the devil always make the law of God hard, this is bondage" - yes,that's True 100%
which is why we have to take struggle to become holy Like God.Because devil doesn't rest.That vile being will attack us in areas we have already overcome,to see if its possible to breach in more through other angles into our soul.
he is a cheap sales man selling things which are filthy and only meant to make us stink.

God is just the opposite,there for a Righteous man runs to God
God bless.
 
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I tend to be more along the lines of whatever a husband and wife choose to do within their marriage sexually is up to them as long as it stays behind just the two of them.
i remember your comment in another thread accusing me,and here you are supporting what you feel right.

"I tend to be more along the lines of whatever a husband and wife choose to do within their marriage sexually is up to them as long as it stays behind just the two of them."
Simply speaking,it doesn't what holy Scripture says..?

oh,..am a person who sees satan everywhere in the world?
..exactly,because i read Holy Scripture and try to get out of filth in daily lfe and live Separated to be with God more
That's a crime according to you right?
If i spread comments like this,people might become God conscious more,..ooh problem...
 
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And for anyone who is struggling with probs that are too sensitive,...

Here is the only solution,..it doesn't matter whether you listen now or later in life..
This is the only solution..


[video=youtube;LuvfMDhTyMA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuvfMDhTyMA[/video]

Surrender to Jesus,He Loves you and knows all your probs..
No one cares like Him.
God is Love

God bless:)
 
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This is definitely a touchy subject. All I can say is I'm going to get all the info. I can from several friends and counselors before I get married. I don't want a bad conscience or any 'slip ups'. When I find out what's permissible and what's not, I'll be sure to come back and let you all know :)
 
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Hmmm..interesting interpretation of my post. Generally with any topic im reluctant to tell people what is right and wrong, I like to point people in the direction so that they can discover the answer themselves.
Also, on a public forum this is a touchy subject. Ive seen people get offended over such topics but anyway, we shouldn't shy away from it and as for me..I love foreplay, if my conscience was pricking me, I dont think id be able to get it up. OP, ravish your wife, fulfill her desires in love. Sex is a gift...You happy now? :)
This question was asked on a public forum because its a serious problem and many are addicted to sinful ways because of this even after marriage.Hence what is related to Holy Scripture is needed to be discussed as that's the right way.Nothing else.

you do what in your married life is not my concern,that is between you and God(had to be harsh,sorry,but had to...).i replied to this thread regarding His doubt because i was once doubtful like this regarding many things with no one to answer.Now i realize why they couldn't answer.Its like i already mentioned,and you mentioned it here.Its a delicate subject and nobody wants to take an effort to pull out another person falling to the pit.

No, its not silly.Consider those who perish getting addicted to pornography and becoming violent because engaged people and elderly are too selfish and occupied in their self ways 'ravishing' and forget to put on Jesus.

you can report my comment if i was abusive,no prob.
 
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This is definitely a touchy subject. All I can say is I'm going to get all the info. I can from several friends and counselors before I get married. I don't want a bad conscience or any 'slip ups'. When I find out what's permissible and what's not, I'll be sure to come back and let you all know :)
yes it is,...its a touchy subject.
and the only way out is by God's Grace.
you might find me irritating.
But am telling no lies nor am i being crazy.
If Jesus died for the Church,He is coming back to receive the same,Perfected Saints(by His Grace).
Everything is included in that(all do's and don'ts).

"I don't want a bad conscience or any 'slip ups'." - it will be there if you're a Christian.Its a process to Perfection.One way or the other,Christian walk is filled with situations than can only be overcome by God's Grace.

you know why i take these things seriously and comment on each post like this?
Because there was a time i searched for answers,people didn't have it.
human counselors didn't have it.
married people didn't have it...

God had the answers when i finally decided to look at Him,and He told and made it clear in my life.
"Like i told from the start to you,carry your cross and i will help you".

Lust of flesh is a delicate issue and it must be handled with self forgiveness and a desire to get out of it.

i am sharing all this,so that someone troubled with these kind of probs come here and get solution.
Its not just for the people who talk about it here,others who read it might be finding it useful too.

(i know many don't like my comments,because there is no charm.)

God Bless.
 
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Im just careful. I dont want to go to hell, so im a bit paranoid on everything :D
That is exactly How Strong Christians are build up.
you are on the right path.

you will be paranoid at first,because the knowledge of the world must go for God to put His Knowledge.
God's burden(yoke) is light and you will realize it when you get closer to God.

Glad to have met you.
May God Bless you.

lol,sorry i saw this comment late,that's why the late reply.