SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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God made the promise.
if God takes it back because I am faithless. God must deny himself.
2 Timothy 2:13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
if God takes it back because I am faithless. God must deny himself.
2 Timothy 2:13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
Well Stevie-poo.....you would be wrong in your assessment and guesses as that was not my intention.....so now that you have pre-judged my motives which you have no insight into and or authority to do so....keep flappin them lips and digging your (sin) hole deeper....
The word for judging motive and lying is simple for those who have faith...it is called repent before you die in your sins!
The word for judging motive and lying is simple for those who have faith...it is called repent before you die in your sins!
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That is the problem you have...God does not take nothing away...you if you deny Him take it away for yourself...but if you repent and come back to God then the gift is still there.
Let me show you in a simple way ( Just an example ) : I tell you I have a $400 for you, I will give it to you free of charge..you tell me you do not want it now..I then tell you well the $400 is still here you can come get it when you need it.
You see the $400 does not go anywhere or taken away from you, I hold it tell you chose to take ( accept ) it.
You don't have to earn it, just accept it.
I never once said you have to earn salvation, that was your words.
I do however believe cause it is in scripture from Jesus words, and Paul, James as well you can fall away and lose salvation.
That is not my take or opinion, that is scripture.
Let me show you in a simple way ( Just an example ) : I tell you I have a $400 for you, I will give it to you free of charge..you tell me you do not want it now..I then tell you well the $400 is still here you can come get it when you need it.
You see the $400 does not go anywhere or taken away from you, I hold it tell you chose to take ( accept ) it.
You don't have to earn it, just accept it.
I never once said you have to earn salvation, that was your words.
I do however believe cause it is in scripture from Jesus words, and Paul, James as well you can fall away and lose salvation.
That is not my take or opinion, that is scripture.
About the same results as the posts that teach works for salvation......I am pretty sure that everybody who has posted here has READ the post.....your problem is to wrongly judge my heart and motive for the post....if you don't like the post then see your self to the proverbial door or quote scripture as to where you stand concerning the OP...or do you still have a sinful vendetta against me for quoting truth and standing on what I believe??????
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Again, If I deny him, I am an antichrist. And I was never saved. Read 1 John.. They were NEVER OF US.
Yep.. This we can agree on. Salvation is offered. But it does not mean it is mine,, I must trust you to mean what you say, Or I would never take it.
well according to you. I can take that 400 dollars. And still it is not mine, You can take it back at any time. So I could not even use it, because it would always be yours.
Nope. thats your take.
You again are not separating justification, which is eternal, from sanctification, which is conditional.
Our justification will never fade away, Our sanctification can waver to and fro.
Yep.. This we can agree on. Salvation is offered. But it does not mean it is mine,, I must trust you to mean what you say, Or I would never take it.
well according to you. I can take that 400 dollars. And still it is not mine, You can take it back at any time. So I could not even use it, because it would always be yours.
Nope. thats your take.
You again are not separating justification, which is eternal, from sanctification, which is conditional.
Our justification will never fade away, Our sanctification can waver to and fro.
How would you deal with the believer being sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption? Eph 4:30
I contend that we are saved the moment we believe and receive the Holy Spirit. We are glorified when we enter heaven for we will be like our risen Lord. Time only matters to those who are under its domain. God inhabits eternity and sees us not only today but also in eternity like we are there now.
The more you post the more I become concerned that you are not saved by the biblical definition of saved. Your soteriology is all messed up.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I contend that we are saved the moment we believe and receive the Holy Spirit. We are glorified when we enter heaven for we will be like our risen Lord. Time only matters to those who are under its domain. God inhabits eternity and sees us not only today but also in eternity like we are there now.
The more you post the more I become concerned that you are not saved by the biblical definition of saved. Your soteriology is all messed up.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Well Stevie....the day you usurp God is the day your judgmental view will matter....until then you are only digging your own hole.....and proving to all that you have no real purpose in here but to harass and lie about me while judging my motives....DID you say something???? Oh that is right...what you think or say about me means less than zero!......
