SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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what does this have to do with timothy, who was a NT believer?
Talk about walking on thin ice. Better be carefull, it may break and you will be lost forever.
No, Sola scriptura means scripture ALONE. Nice try, but you need to study.
Actually yes they did. Peter spoke of pauls letters and called it scripture. You should study real history some. They had paid scribes then who would make copies of all the letters and take them to all the churches.
Wrong. As shown above, People had scripture as it was written, It did not take 400 years for the bible to get to all the churches, as already shown, All the people who read peters letters (which was written to EVERY church) already had pauls letters. and they were already considered scripture.
Not to mention. Paul quotes a passage of Luke and calls it scripture.
1 Timothy 5:18 For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”
found here
Luke 10:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And remain in the same house, eating and drinking such things as they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Do not go from house to house
How could these thing be considered scripture already read and understood by these people if scripture was yet 400 years from being completed?
You mean the same teaching PAUL called scripture. PETER called scripture?
Your listening to men, They had to write these things in stone ONLY because scripture did not support their belif, they did the same thing the jews did. WHen men adds to the word of God. you should run, for if scripture supported their beliefs in whole. then they would not need to make anything outside the word of God, they could rely on scripture alone.
The same scripture like timothy had written by Luke which made him wise for salvation?
Yes he was. If you would read his writings you would see this.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Paul would not teach that scripture is fully capable of making a man of God complete and fully equipped for any good work if he did not teach scripture alone.
Sola scriptura is a 4th century made up term because the roman church could not make scripture equal their own deformed and perverted doctrines, so they had to write things, and have things orally added to the word of god in order for their doctines to be believable.
Then they used the iron fist of rome to force everyone to believe their way or else.
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If your a real disciple of Christ you will obey his commands he gives us grace because he knows we are not perfect and will fail. While I agree we are saved by grace alone if it were not so we would all be screwed. Myself included. However grace is not an excuse to do whatever you want, but is given as a gift to show how much he loves us. We still need to obey that allows him to work through us leading to greater works.
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Not only will he miss out on that, But he missed out on the many blessings, and the huge amount of joy he would have had while alive on earth if he just trusted Christ with more parts of his life. And the many people they could have spent eternity with who would be gratefull to them for allowing god to work through them.
Amen and I agree with everything you said....I stand amazed at some of the (stuff)<----cow pies...that get twisted and wrested out of the truth to only become heresy...especially when men teach you can loose (ETERNAL) life and have to do your own fleshly works to keep or gain (ETERNAL) life.....
Eternal life---looses it....Gains Eternal life---looses it---gains eternal life-----looses it<-----NOT SAVED PERIOD!
The Septuagint /ˈsɛptjuːəˌdʒɪnt/, /ˈsɛptuːəˌdʒɪnt/, /ˌsɛpˈtuːədʒɪnt/, /ˈsɛptʃuːəˌdʒɪnt/, from the Latin word septuaginta (meaning seventy), is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Koine Greek. The title and its Roman numeral acronym LXX refer to the legendary seventy Jewish scholars who completed the translation as early as the late 2nd century BCE
the greek translation of the hebrew scriptures were completed as early as the 2nd century ( before the Incarnation).
the greek translation of the hebrew scriptures were completed as early as the 2nd century ( before the Incarnation).