Is there such a thing as an atheist?

[MarkMulder]

Herein Lies the problem with Religious Fundamentalism. It doesn't matter how many facts, how much logic, how many examples that are placed in between you. You as fundamentalists can not be wrong. You all have too much invested in your faith and unsurprisingly fear how would now face the world without it. There is a fascinating article on fundamentalism. i really recommend a look if you have the time and patience to read it.

Fundamentalism: A Psychological Problem

Fundamentalism can be defined as a "strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles,"
as such you're a fundamentalist yourself.

 

[homwardbound]

I believe science reveals the deeper facets of how God created all things, but knowing "How" is not important to having a relationship with God. All the first writers would need was, "God created all things." They believed and trusted that.

I have faith, trust, and belief. It is all I need. I realize it is not enough for you and I know I can never convince you otherwise.

and my original point was that it is simply easier to accept that an infinite being created all things rather than that "Nothing" created all things. If you polled the world, I think you would find most people agree with me. =)

Sure there would be questions about an infinite being, but how does nothing create everything?

Something or someone had to no matter how it is sliced, diced or cubed, matters not, and the best evidence I ahve that has lasted longer than any other is Christ, and what hew came to give us, and that is love to all, forsaking any selfishness we have prior to seeing this love unconditional to all

 

[homwardbound]

I thought we are talking about inquisitions and crusades. You use a certain sect or group of people when labelling a whole people. If you say that, would it be wrong to use Stalin as a example of an atheist who was an atheist? Who killed more people than Hitler ever did.

By the way there is different branches of orthodoxy

And Brother people kill in the name of God, using God as their Catalyst excuse for doing so. It is shown to us all through history, and we see God not fight here as what man does. Christ willingly without a fight went to the cross and did not fight physically
You all here why did Christ do that, putting all else aside, why after showing and doing all those miracles in that day? Was this all useless or the true love shown to us all. To not fight, just speak truth to all in love to all, as he did do this did he not?

 

[homwardbound]

The bible isn't evidence for a claim.

The bible IS the claim.


Shall we try again?

In the whole truth of it, it is a love letter to all, that is what it is, and not a commandant, a dictator, a tyrant. no love in the truest form, The world goes to war and tries to be stronger and better than the others and Christ gave up his life and went to the death, why what for?
Obviously we is not and was not from this world was he? Who here would go to their death?

 

[homwardbound]

SpokenpassageYour the one making the claim, the burden of proof lies solely with you.

The reason I don't believe it is because there is NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.

I don't disbelieve because I have proof that rejects your claim, I disbelief because there is no evidence to back up your claim.

LIFE is the evidence to me, and someone or something created it, no matter how one slices, dices and or cubes it, is this correct?

 

[homwardbound]

Please see my post on the scale of the "observable" universe. Than ask yourself. Is it logical even by the words of your book.

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We are aware of a very minute part of the world around us without the use of technology. From physical evidence I say that it developed over eons. I would say that people have an over inflated sense of importance in the universe but that is a theist issue in general

We can watch the creation of galaxies, stars and planets through our telescopes. Are we seeing God in action thousands of years ago? In that case it is really taking a lot more than 6 days!

In the words of my Welsh Brethren, the Manic Street Preachers, This is my Truth, Tell Me Yours.

Is any selfishness good? My way, your way or the highway attitude? Or does Love to all conquer all, no matter what way it is sliced, diced and or cubed? Could this be the true God a God of love to all, that does just love you, and quit being like selfish men to others as history shows and kills one another over their belief against others belief.

Selfishness (Flesh) verses love (God) best shown to me through Christ, who did not fight back in the flesh as man does
That to me is true love to all, whether one believes or not
If we all got busy praising one another, we would then be loving one another, and evil would be killed. How can evil stand if one is praising and not fighting. A fire always goes out when no wood is added does it not?

 

[IntoTheVoid]

LIFE is the evidence to me, and someone or something created it, no matter how one slices, dices and or cubes it, is this correct?

Yeah it came from somewhere. And there are lots of different books all giving various explanations. I just don't see how yours is more valid than any other.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Intothevoid, I haven't condemned any of you guys. All I said is that if you disbelieve you are headed for Hell. That's what the bible teaches. I do hope you believe at some point in life, but I can't determine your eternal destiny.

 

[Cycel]

Athiesm is classed a s a religion
the Bible calls them faggots for the burning.

Hi And, would you mind providing the scriptural passage for this assertion? I want to see:

i) the Bible calling atheism a religion, and

ii) the Bible calling atheists faggots for burning.

Thanks,

Cycel

 

[Jda016]

Athiesm is classed a s a religion
the Bible calls them faggots for the burning.

While the doctrine of Hell is in the Bible, and i believe it, Paul wished that he would be accursed from God if it meant that the Jews would get saved. I wish I could see the same love that Paul expressed for the Jews that you would show for athiests.

Your words lack love.

 

[Cycel]

While some Christians eventually fall away from the truth into a false worldview, the vast majority of atheists abandoned atheism and most eventually do today as well.

I don't personally know a single atheist who has returned to religious belief. So while you claim the vast majority of atheists return to the faith, I don't know of a single instance of this happening. I suspect the claim is greatly overstated.

Here we go again...'I' don't personally know.....Once again evidence is NEVER PREMISED ON 'I'.

You are not understanding. I have known these people for some time, a few of them for as much as three and four decades. If there was truth in the statement that most atheists return to belief in God then a number of these atheist friends would have reverted by now. None of them have. Look at Europe. The majority of the population is now atheist. This would not be the case if most atheists returned to the faith. The claim, therefore, appears to be false.

 

[phil112]

A little humor for my atheist friends.

 

[Cycel]

Cycel, I don't know if you will appreciate this and most Christians that I have said this to do not think much of it, but I think that the six day creation was symbolic. I think that it happened in six days literally, but I think the symbolism is more important.

I won't rule out that there might be symbolism, and I certainly don't rule out that the text supports a literal six day creation, but I think you have to make it relevant to the time in which the text was written. It has to mean something to the author and the people reading it.

The separation of waters on the second day, I believe, was symbolic of the separation of the Israelites during the 1,000-2000 year period.

So in your view the text actually has little to say about the creation of the world?

The outline of the account in broad terms parallels the Babylonian creation story. It is not likely the Babylonian account pertains to Israel, and so I think the Genesis account is most likely the actual cosmological belief system of ancient Israel. It seems likely that the author wished to convey the message that his own god, and not the gods of the Canaanites created the world.

I think studying the Babylonian account may shed light on the Genesis account itself as there are some interesting parallels.

 

[Cycel]

A little humor for my atheist friends.
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Thank you for brightening my evening.

 

[Cycel]

Intothevoid, I haven't condemned any of you guys. All I said is that if you disbelieve you are headed for Hell. That's what the bible teaches. I do hope you believe at some point in life, but I can't determine your eternal destiny.

The Bible does teach this, and as it is your belief you would be remiss not to give warning. I do not in any way feel offended. Carry on.

 

[Cycel]

LIFE is the evidence to me, and someone or something created it, no matter how one slices, dices and or cubes it, is this correct?

If life on Earth is evidence of God, what happens if life, or former life, is discovered on Mars? We are not going to find higher life forms there, but it may be too early to rule out the presence of bacteria.

 

[Cycel]

In the whole truth of it, it is a love letter to all...

I have heard this same assertion form others, yet parts of the Old Testament carry a very different message. The god of the Old Testament is quick to kill those who break his commandments. Harsh justice, is not much of a love letter.

 

[breno785au]

I have heard this same assertion form others, yet parts of the Old Testament carry a very different message. The god of the Old Testament is quick to kill those who break his commandments. Harsh justice, is not much of a love letter.

If that were so then Israel wouldn't exist, right?

 

[danalee]

Though I long for you to know God, I do believe the Bible is true. I can not discount the doctrines of hell simply because they are offensive. I do not want you to think that I pick and choose what I like in the Bible. I believe all the words of Christ.

This doesn't lesson my love for you though and if I could give you a glimpse of God that you might believe, I would. My heart aches when I read your worldview, because I see my savior dying on a cross so that you may have, not just life, but life eternal, but you do not believe in Him.

I long for you to believe in God, not because I need you to agree with me, but so that you might share the life that Christ died to give you. If you were a starving man, I would give you food. If you were dying of thirst I would give you water. If you were naked, I would cloth you. This is the love I would show you and this is the love that the Bible preaches, no matter how other Christians may treat you.

So in this I offer you Christ that you may be saved. I know you reject God, but please see that my heart desires you to believe, because I see it for your ultimate well being, not because I am trying to "make a convert" or get you to simply agree with me.

i don't care about winning an argument, I care about your eternal well being. That is why I am here on this thread, to show those who don't believe the love and truth of God to the best of my ability.

You are so wonderful.....JDA.

 

[danalee]

If life on Earth is evidence of God, what happens if life, or former life, is discovered on Mars? We are not going to find higher life forms there, but it may be too early to rule out the presence of bacteria.

Hey you how are ya?

There's no life on Mars. But even if there were, God created Mars too.