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Wow, pretty bold assumptions from someone who apparently doesn't know me very well.
After all,
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It's always best to ask more questions than to make assumptions.
After all,
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It's always best to ask more questions than to make assumptions.
That surprises me even more, because I have never met a Messianic Christian that didn't make the connection between celebrating First Fruits and JESUS being the fulfillment of First Fruits. AND I know lots Christians in my Church and other churches that know and understand the connection, and we are gentile Believers. If you watch how Zola teaches the Seven Feasts of Israel you will find that Christians can learn a lot by studying them. I sure did, especially the fact that ALL SEVEN Feasts of Israel are the picture prophesies of JESUS THE MESSIAH.
ZLM Video Series: “The Seven Feasts of Israel”
Like I said, I definitely see the connection; I absolutely agree with you on the connection and revelation of the Feasts and Jesus. The Feasts are all about point towards and celebrating Him. When you don't see that, you're definitely missing out on some powerful things. That's why our church physically and intentionally celebrates each of the Feasts.
And your church sounds like it's in a good place to see that. Sadly, many churches do not.
And your church sounds like it's in a good place to see that. Sadly, many churches do not.
Yeah, he got it alright, he got it well enough to go to Jerusalem to keep the Feasts of God...
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Act 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Act 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
Interesting thought regarding Jesus' resurrection....
Jesus didn't appear to many people as "resurrected" on 1 particular day. He appeared as "resurrected" to people on multiple days, even appearing to others many days later, like Peter and Thomas. Perhaps the significance of Jesus' resurrection isn't meant to be a corporate celebration on a set day, but more of a personal celebration?
Something to think through and question.
Jesus didn't appear to many people as "resurrected" on 1 particular day. He appeared as "resurrected" to people on multiple days, even appearing to others many days later, like Peter and Thomas. Perhaps the significance of Jesus' resurrection isn't meant to be a corporate celebration on a set day, but more of a personal celebration?
Something to think through and question.
K
"A shadow"...a shadow of good things to come. Yeah, I am getting that more and more each day. It seems to me there is no logic in acknowledging "a shadow" without acknowledging what is making that shadow. If I were out of doors and saw a shadow over me looming larger and larger I think I would look up to see what is casting that shadow. The more I study and do the Feasts/Appointments, the more I know we are supposed to still be doing them. In Revelations it speaks of John seeing the Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. That alone tells me it is a Feast event. At what time is the one and only time the Ark of the Covenant seen one a year by the priest? This is a Yom Kippur event.
I do the Feasts because I want to "connect " with my Almighty Father and my Salvation Messiah Yahshua. I've seen ample proof that these Appointed times of our Creator are observed in Heaven. Why are we instructed to pray"..let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven?"
We need to worship our Father in the way He has told us to. Pride and tradition, fitting in with a certain church, all of that is meaningless. Let His will be done, and not ours!
I do the Feasts because I want to "connect " with my Almighty Father and my Salvation Messiah Yahshua. I've seen ample proof that these Appointed times of our Creator are observed in Heaven. Why are we instructed to pray"..let Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven?"
We need to worship our Father in the way He has told us to. Pride and tradition, fitting in with a certain church, all of that is meaningless. Let His will be done, and not ours!
The wonderfully simple thing about this whole debate is that regardless of what day we think He was resurrected, the fact is that He WAS resurrected. I'm sure both sides of the Passover/Easter crowd can agree that is the key point.
But the actual date of the resurrection in relationship to Easter is a moot point, because God never told anyone to celebrate it.
But the actual date of the resurrection in relationship to Easter is a moot point, because God never told anyone to celebrate it.
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Great observation Sis!
The is from the (NLT) Several versions use the word, "Copy," the (KJV) uses the word "Example."
Hebrews 8:5 They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: "Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain."
The whole chapter is pretty great.
The is from the (NLT) Several versions use the word, "Copy," the (KJV) uses the word "Example."
Hebrews 8:5 They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: "Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain."
The whole chapter is pretty great.
Interesting the way you highlighted that. Let's try again...
mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
So after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to... Two different actions described here.
So, if He arose on Sunday as you say, after being crucified on Friday, please show me how to count three days and three nights in the tomb. Either He was in the tomb three days and three nights or He is not the Savior, He is a liar...
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
mark 16:9..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
So after He had risen, early on the first day of the week He first appeared to... Two different actions described here.
So, if He arose on Sunday as you say, after being crucified on Friday, please show me how to count three days and three nights in the tomb. Either He was in the tomb three days and three nights or He is not the Savior, He is a liar...
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
There may be a VERY good reason for that, He told us to observe the Passover...
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
Paul kept the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread...
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
Christ and the disciples were not eating chocolate bunnies and rolling colored eggs this night, they were keeping the Passover.
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
These are the New Testament Passover symbols that Christ instituted...
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
Paul kept the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread...
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Luk 22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
Christ and the disciples were not eating chocolate bunnies and rolling colored eggs this night, they were keeping the Passover.
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
These are the New Testament Passover symbols that Christ instituted...
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
Luk 22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
I have a problem with so called Bible literalists will demand a seven day 24 hour approach to creation and tell me that none of there Bible interpretation is based on tradition. The word of God is inerrant with no contradictions. So when did three days become 1 1/2 days well that's based on tradition. Baptism very definition of the word means to immerse in water but yet we choose to baptize infants and only sprinkle yet another tradition. We see varying witness accounts of the passion and Resurrection in the Gospels. For example cock crows once or thrice depending on the gospel account. No doubt the Word of God is inspired, but still accounts do very. What is amazing though that these independent accounts all come to the same conclusion on the saving grace of Christ through His death and resurrection. Thank God that it God's Spirit that breaths the life of God over the truth of Scripture and not the Bible thumping hair the splitters of the Bible.