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I've been in numerous desperate and life threatening situations and I only experienced divine intervention when I cried out to God and it was absolutely necessary for me to receive divine intervention. The rest of the time my problems resolve through natural means (e.g. modern medicine, etc...) or flatten out over time and I find a way to live with them sans-divine intervention.
I've seen God miraculously heal Christians and experienced a supernatural healing miracle myself, but I've also seen Him simply act as a source of comfort for dying and suffering Christians sustaining them through periods of intense suffering and easing their transition into eternity. God's not a vending machine.
I don't know this man personally but I've heard of him. He attends Calvary Chapel. His experience was traumatic and he lives with the physical results of his experience every day but God showed up anyways.
[video=youtube_share;u3BTtii4fIY]http://youtu.be/u3BTtii4fIY[/video]
Now I never called you a liar and I'm not calling you a liar. You've wrongly assumed that I did and are defending yourself against an accusation I never made. You do not need to. I simply stated from a position of knowing that you're wrong, that you make false assertions about God which I correct as I have time to when I run across them.
What I said was:
"Clearly you separated yourself from God [instead of exercising your volition to vigorously pursue Him with all of your heart {Jeremiah 29:13} until you found Him instead giving up and spending that time on a Christian forum falsely asserting His nonexistence to people who know Him], publicly denied Him, and presently invest a material amount of your time on Christian forums exercising a negative volition making false assertions about Him.
You're shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), in a spiritually bankrupt and deceived state, with a darkened heart (Ephesians 4:18) and it's clear as day to those of us in communion with God.
Yet even in your lost, deceived, spiritually bankrupt state; you serve the purposes of God fulfilling the role of an antagonist... a role you chose for yourself and presently live out somewhat obsessively.
My relationship with God continues to be strengthened in times of adversity... the very thing that led you to dispose of yours.
My tribulation was worse than your own. It was a perfect storm that struck suddenly and went on for years leaving me in poverty, debt, facing homelessness, serious illness, physical deformity, terrible pain, abandonment by friends, and all of the intense emotions that go along with living through such a grueling experience.
But I didn't abandon God as you chose too. I exercised my will and continued pursuing Him. That's when it happened. Subsequently, He supernaturally healed the most serious medical issue (the other remains but is manageable), began to assist me in rebuilding my career (a process that continues), restored my family to me (mission completed successfully), and led me to a church where I made new friends and experience Him work supernaturally as if it is common it happens so often.
It is from my present position of knowing that I watch you make false assertion after false assertion about God from your deceived state as the sand of time flows through the hourglass.
"But for the cowardly and u ἄπιστος, ον and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" -Revelations 21:8.
Yet while you live, God's offer of reconciliation remains (2 Timothy 2:13)."
^ It's not an accusation, it's just the truth. You are literally hanging over the pit of hell and completely deceived and in denial about your present metaphysical position.
It's not necessary and certainly undesirable. But it is your choice. I don't know if you harbor a resentment against God but you certainly blamed God for your atheism. The truth is that you're an atheist because you choose to be an atheist.
http://christianchat.com/christian-...sident-atheist-any-questions.html#post1497798
You can make better choices. But you're choosing not to. You have all this time to hang out in a Christian forum making false assertions about God instead of consistently attending a local Vineyard fellowship groups and learning how to follow Matt's advice.
Walk in God’s Supernatural Power!
Make no mistake, that's the choice you are making. You certainly can make the other choice.
Nobody can ruin your eternity except you. Satan can’t, he doesn’t have enough power to ruin your eternity. Satan can use his limited power to afflict you, oppress you, deceive you, etc... but he can't ruin your eternity unless you allow him to. God has to judge you because He is holy but he's made a way for you to avoid judgment and spend eternity with Himself. He loves you. So ultimately, the only person who can totally, permanently destroy your eternity is you by the choices you make in this life and that's exactly what you are choosing to do.
I've seen God miraculously heal Christians and experienced a supernatural healing miracle myself, but I've also seen Him simply act as a source of comfort for dying and suffering Christians sustaining them through periods of intense suffering and easing their transition into eternity. God's not a vending machine.
I don't know this man personally but I've heard of him. He attends Calvary Chapel. His experience was traumatic and he lives with the physical results of his experience every day but God showed up anyways.
[video=youtube_share;u3BTtii4fIY]http://youtu.be/u3BTtii4fIY[/video]
Now I never called you a liar and I'm not calling you a liar. You've wrongly assumed that I did and are defending yourself against an accusation I never made. You do not need to. I simply stated from a position of knowing that you're wrong, that you make false assertions about God which I correct as I have time to when I run across them.
What I said was:
"Clearly you separated yourself from God [instead of exercising your volition to vigorously pursue Him with all of your heart {Jeremiah 29:13} until you found Him instead giving up and spending that time on a Christian forum falsely asserting His nonexistence to people who know Him], publicly denied Him, and presently invest a material amount of your time on Christian forums exercising a negative volition making false assertions about Him.
You're shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), in a spiritually bankrupt and deceived state, with a darkened heart (Ephesians 4:18) and it's clear as day to those of us in communion with God.
Yet even in your lost, deceived, spiritually bankrupt state; you serve the purposes of God fulfilling the role of an antagonist... a role you chose for yourself and presently live out somewhat obsessively.
My relationship with God continues to be strengthened in times of adversity... the very thing that led you to dispose of yours.
My tribulation was worse than your own. It was a perfect storm that struck suddenly and went on for years leaving me in poverty, debt, facing homelessness, serious illness, physical deformity, terrible pain, abandonment by friends, and all of the intense emotions that go along with living through such a grueling experience.
But I didn't abandon God as you chose too. I exercised my will and continued pursuing Him. That's when it happened. Subsequently, He supernaturally healed the most serious medical issue (the other remains but is manageable), began to assist me in rebuilding my career (a process that continues), restored my family to me (mission completed successfully), and led me to a church where I made new friends and experience Him work supernaturally as if it is common it happens so often.
It is from my present position of knowing that I watch you make false assertion after false assertion about God from your deceived state as the sand of time flows through the hourglass.
"But for the cowardly and u ἄπιστος, ον and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death" -Revelations 21:8.
Yet while you live, God's offer of reconciliation remains (2 Timothy 2:13)."
^ It's not an accusation, it's just the truth. You are literally hanging over the pit of hell and completely deceived and in denial about your present metaphysical position.
It's not necessary and certainly undesirable. But it is your choice. I don't know if you harbor a resentment against God but you certainly blamed God for your atheism. The truth is that you're an atheist because you choose to be an atheist.
http://christianchat.com/christian-...sident-atheist-any-questions.html#post1497798
You can make better choices. But you're choosing not to. You have all this time to hang out in a Christian forum making false assertions about God instead of consistently attending a local Vineyard fellowship groups and learning how to follow Matt's advice.
Walk in God’s Supernatural Power!
Make no mistake, that's the choice you are making. You certainly can make the other choice.
Nobody can ruin your eternity except you. Satan can’t, he doesn’t have enough power to ruin your eternity. Satan can use his limited power to afflict you, oppress you, deceive you, etc... but he can't ruin your eternity unless you allow him to. God has to judge you because He is holy but he's made a way for you to avoid judgment and spend eternity with Himself. He loves you. So ultimately, the only person who can totally, permanently destroy your eternity is you by the choices you make in this life and that's exactly what you are choosing to do.
What I sought was confirmation of his presence. Any acknowledgement at all is what I hoped to receive. I kept looking for a sign, but nothing came my way. Wait a sec. You are flying off on some kind of tangent. Are you talking about 40 years ago or this past few months? First of all when I became an atheist I was not aware there were other atheists in the world. I hadn't even told anyone I was an atheist. There was no public declaration. Can you clarify your accusation? I never knowingly make false assertions. You are making a false assertion. If you wish to speak truthfully you should simply say that I make claims contrary to what you believe. I believe my statements are both accurate and defensible. If you believe you are right I would think you would welcome the opportunity to correct my misunderstanding, but I don’t see any attempt to do so in this post. You have such a negative attitude toward those who interpret the evidence differently. You seem more interested in being accusatory than in discussion. Things are not as they seem AoK. You view the world through a glass darkly. Do you interpret my posts as bringing you adversity? I don't think you understand why my faith collapsed. Very sorry for your troubles. God abandoned me. It would have been a simple matter for him to make his presence known. If he exists then he apparently chose not to act. Jesus said God cares more for the lost sheep than for the rest of the flock that is not lost. I was lost. I tried to find God, but I did not succeed. I knocked, but the door did not open. I interpreted the silence to mean there was nothing there. If you have evidence of God that all men can clearly see, then by all means show me. Healed you? That things improved financially and socially is not evidence of God. It may well be evidence that hard work and persistence pays off; but of your being healed I can make no comment. I know nothing about your situation. I object to your calling my assertions false, anyone can do that. Take one of my assertions and prove it false. Well, I am certainly glad I am none of those things. I earnestly sought God, but did not receive a reply. Had God responded I would not now be an atheist.
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