Why do only Some get healed???

[eternally-gratefull]

The Bible says, "We are healed", 1 Pet 2: 24.

I am healed Spiritually. 100 % completely healed but my body is still dieing

The Bible says, "The believer shall lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL recover", Mk 16: 17--18.

it also says they will drink poison and not die, and be bitten by snake and not die. You try that lately?

James says, "The prayer of faith SHALL heal the sick. James 5: 14--15.

Again Spiritual healing.

Jesus went to the sinner, and not the righteous, Because the sinner needed healed, The righteous did not know they were sick.

 

[Pie]

I have asked this question as many and i found a intresting video that really answers this question its 15 min. long but i know it will bless you

I watched your video. I know your intentions are good but I thought I would explain this.

The 1st man says:
We might become prideful
We get more focused on miracles than relationship with God
To this I say, sure… possible reasons God may have since He has foreknowledge, but who knows? Only God.

The 2nd man says:
We let our zeal get ahead of our revelation.
To this I would say, this is possible… but it’s really only something God would know.


The 3rd man says:
Biblical faith says speak to the mountain and it moves –talks about Jesus’ healings
Jesus gave authority to the disciples to heal – yet there was some they could not heal
Example given: Did God not will to heal the boy? No. Jesus said bring the boy to me – Boy was healed
Disciples asked why they couldn’t heal the boy. Jesus responded with “Your unbelief.”


He uses this to differentiate between biblical faith and emotional faith.


You realize they all gave different answers or possible explanations? Why? Because in reality, we don’t know why some people get healed and some don’t.


The reason I don’t particularly care for these reasons is because some people like to distort this. I personally know a woman, who died last year of cancer. She caught it early on. Doctors told her they could fix her. It would be a simple operation to remove it and if she did not get it, it would spread and she would die. She refused. Why? Because she thought it would be a display of her lack of faith. She put her life on the line, to show she trusted God entirely. And she got sicker and sicker and then died. She left behind a lovely daughter who has down syndrome and now asks “Why did God let my mommy die?” You know what her close friends say? It was her fault because she “tested” God. What would these men say? “Sorry hunny, your mom could have been saved. However, because a man of great biblical faith didn’t come and pray for her, she died.” (By the way, her family and friends told this little girl God would heal her and make her normal and prayed over her constantly for that). I was once with her when she started crying and said, “I just want to be normal… God please make me normal.” I wonder how these men would answer her and explain to her why God hasn’t healed her. (People ALWAYS trying to explain reminds me a lot of Job’s friends.)


Sadly… I have more examples like this one of people I personally know or knew.


This is why I think people need to be careful when interpreting these scriptures this way and always trying to figure out why someone was healed or not. I see nothing wrong with believing in healing and praying for it…I, personally, have a chronic medical condition that I’ve had since I was 12 and I don’t know why God doesn’t heal me...but it doesn’t really matter to me. I trust Him regardless and realize my spiritual well being is more important than my physical well being. There are others far worse off than me and yet they are still full of joy and gratitude towards God. Trying to analyze why God hasn’t healed me won't benefit me or anyone else spiritually and I can't see how I'd ever have conclusive answers anyways. This is where the "trust" thing comes in. =)

 

[RickyZ]

He healed in his day because it proved who he was. That does not mean everyone will be healed. Saying people will be healed is dangerous. And is not from God.

Again, if God healed everyone, no one would die.

There's this idea that if you receive a miracle healing you're now immortal. That's not true, I think pretty much every body who ever received a miracle healing went on to die of something else anyway. God promises that in the end, when we're with Him, we won't be sick at all. And that is the basis of our faith, the knowledge that even if we don't get it now we ultimately still get it then. The miracle is being able to import a little of that here and there via a gift of healing. It's not intended to replace the doctors office. It's a sign and wonder, meant to bolster faith and alleviate suffering. Alleviate - not end.

Paul ... you're absolutely right. Here's a guy who preached a gospel of healing by faith, and yet was never healed himself. What is up wit' dat? Some evidently see him as an example of the failure of his very own preaching. Or, maybe the failure is in our interpretation of what he was preaching. I have wondered if maybe the reason Paul was never healed was because no one ever had the b@lls - I mean faith to walk up to him and do it. Pure speculation but I hope you get the point. What Paul exampled was the promise that in the end we are all healed, permanently, but for now we can receive bits and pieces of it according to our belief, and no not everyone is going to experience it. Because, as John taught us, affliction can serve it's purposes. Just remember that, having received bits and pieces of healings, yer still gonna die my friend. It's not a get out of jail free card.

The Matthew verses - and the companion verses in Hebrews 11 and the other gospels... those are GODS Words not mine and it scares me that some could think they emanate from the pit of hell. I know that was a mis-speak made by a closed mind but still... And again, it's a misunderstanding of the concept. These verses say that with the right amount of faith, we can cast mountains into the sea. Now, I've done a fair amount of rock climbing but that doesn't mean I have the skills to climb Everest. But I could, if I wanted to make the effort to acquire those skills. It's the same regarding acquiring faith. I sit at camp two and look up seeing what I can aspire to. Others sit at camp one and say that's all they can do, let's bulldoze the top off the mountain and call it good. Our inability to reach the top does not negate God's Word that there is indeed a top. Matthew is something to aspire to, not to beat yourself with. And the sooner people see it that way the sooner they'll start participating in miracles. It's a scale of what's possible and wherever you land on it is cool, as long as you acknowlege it and try to participate.

You are right, not everyone will be healed and claiming so is dangerous. But saying that equates into none of us will be healed is also just as dangerous. Maybe more so, because it makes you stop trying to aspire to Matthew.

 

[saved1975]

1. James 5 is speaking of spiritual healing. not physical.
2. james 1 speaks of persevering over suffering. why would james speak of persevering, and how suffering grows us, If he thought we could just confess and get healed. He did not contradict himself.

James wasn't talking about spiritual healing, our spirits don't need healing.
Persevering, Doesn't mean persevering with sickness.

We should confess [In faith] and be healed, Heb 3: 1, says Jesus is the Apostle and High Priest of our confession,
The Greek meaning for "Confession" is, "Agreeing with God, And saying the same as God".
And God says Jesus HAS taken our sicknesses, And by His stripes we WERE HEALED, So we have to agree with that, And confess that we are healed... In faith.

 

[saved1975]

He healed in his day because it proved who he was. That does not mean everyone will be healed. Saying people will be healed is dangerous. And is not from God.

Again, if God healed everyone, no one would die.

Jesus told us why He came, And that was to do the will of God, Then He went about Teaching, preaching and HEALING.
Then just before Jesus went to heaven, He gave the believers the commission to lay hands on the sick, And He said, They SHALL RECOVER.
I believe the Bible, and I have never been sick ever since I was born again in 1975, And when I lay hands on the sick, They receive healing.
Jesus has given His name to the Church, And His name has just as much power and authority as Jesus had while He was on the earth.

 

[jjtj22]

Jesus told us why He came, And that was to do the will of God, Then He went about Teaching, preaching and HEALING.
Then just before Jesus went to heaven, He gave the believers the commission to lay hands on the sick, And He said, They SHALL RECOVER.
I believe the Bible, and I have never been sick ever since I was born again in 1975, And when I lay hands on the sick, They receive healing.
Jesus has given His name to the Church, And His name has just as much power and authority as Jesus had while He was on the earth.

Please head to your nearest children's hospital as soon as possible.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Please head to your nearest children's hospital as soon as possible.

Well, exactly.

Even Paul had a thorn in the flesh, that the Lord would not remove; and he sought grace instead. Paul advised Timothy to take wine for his stomach's sake.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

James wasn't talking about spiritual healing, our spirits don't need healing.
Persevering, Doesn't mean persevering with sickness.

they don't, glad you think though, I guess that says alot.

We should confess [In faith] and be healed, Heb 3: 1, says Jesus is the Apostle and High Priest of our confession,
The Greek meaning for "Confession" is, "Agreeing with God, And saying the same as God".
And God says Jesus HAS taken our sicknesses, And by His stripes we WERE HEALED, So we have to agree with that, And confess that we are healed... In faith.

Many people have died who did not have to who go by this belief. It is not that they did not have faith. It is Because God had a purpose for their suffering, And they did not get it. God even offered them help (see the post above you) and they refused it, thinking it would be a lack in faith in God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Please head to your nearest children's hospital as soon as possible.

Amen. there are alot of kids who are sick. If faith healing is real. they should prove it by doing as Jesus did and going to the sick and healing them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, exactly.

Even Paul had a thorn in the flesh, that the Lord would not remove; and he sought grace instead. Paul advised Timothy to take wine for his stomach's sake.

As God said, My grace is sufficient, God did not heal paul for a reason. we may not know that reason. Paul may not have known (it may have been to keep his pride in check, but that is just a guess) but we will know one day. Gods way is not our way.

 

[jjtj22]

There's this idea that if you receive a miracle healing you're now immortal. That's not true, I think pretty much every body who ever received a miracle healing went on to die of something else anyway. God promises that in the end, when we're with Him, we won't be sick at all. And that is the basis of our faith, the knowledge that even if we don't get it now we ultimately still get it then. The miracle is being able to import a little of that here and there via a gift of healing. It's not intended to replace the doctors office. It's a sign and wonder, meant to bolster faith and alleviate suffering. Alleviate - not end.

Paul ... you're absolutely right. Here's a guy who preached a gospel of healing by faith, and yet was never healed himself. What is up wit' dat? Some evidently see him as an example of the failure of his very own preaching. Or, maybe the failure is in our interpretation of what he was preaching. I have wondered if maybe the reason Paul was never healed was because no one ever had the b@lls - I mean faith to walk up to him and do it. Pure speculation but I hope you get the point. What Paul exampled was the promise that in the end we are all healed, permanently, but for now we can receive bits and pieces of it according to our belief, and no not everyone is going to experience it. Because, as John taught us, affliction can serve it's purposes. Just remember that, having received bits and pieces of healings, yer still gonna die my friend. It's not a get out of jail free card.

The Matthew verses - and the companion verses in Hebrews 11 and the other gospels... those are GODS Words not mine and it scares me that some could think they emanate from the pit of hell. I know that was a mis-speak made by a closed mind but still... And again, it's a misunderstanding of the concept. These verses say that with the right amount of faith, we can cast mountains into the sea. Now, I've done a fair amount of rock climbing but that doesn't mean I have the skills to climb Everest. But I could, if I wanted to make the effort to acquire those skills. It's the same regarding acquiring faith. I sit at camp two and look up seeing what I can aspire to. Others sit at camp one and say that's all they can do, let's bulldoze the top off the mountain and call it good. Our inability to reach the top does not negate God's Word that there is indeed a top. Matthew is something to aspire to, not to beat yourself with. And the sooner people see it that way the sooner they'll start participating in miracles. It's a scale of what's possible and wherever you land on it is cool, as long as you acknowlege it and try to participate.

You are right, not everyone will be healed and claiming so is dangerous. But saying that equates into none of us will be healed is also just as dangerous. Maybe more so, because it makes you stop trying to aspire to Matthew.

You have very eloquently stated your position and I agree with much of what you are saying. The only disagreement that I find with your position is that the utmost importance of faith based healing is the amount of faith exerted. This stance disallows for God's sovereign will.

Job was a man of great faith and yet his children passed away. Job himself was ultimately healed but because it was God's will. No God did not make him sick but He allowed it. Nothing passes by God without his knowledge and approval. Does this mean God wants His children to be sick? Of course not but his ways are not our ways. We live in a fallen world and we are all touched by it. I also believe God vetos much of what the devil wants to throw at us.

That said I loved your analogy about Everest! With your well thought out reply you have spurred me to study this more. Thank you for some iron sharpening!

My main arguemeng remains, I just cannot discount God's sovereign will.

 

[faroukfarouk]

You have very eloquently stated your position and I agree with much of what you are saying. The only disagreement that I find with your position is that the utmost importance of faith based healing is the amount of faith exerted. This stance disallows for God's sovereign will.

Job was a man of great faith and yet his children passed away. Job himself was ultimately healed but because it was God's will. No God did not make him sick but He allowed it. Nothing passes by God without his knowledge and approval. Does this mean God wants His children to be sick? Of course not but his ways are not our ways. We live in a fallen world and we are all touched by it. I also believe God vetos much of what the devil wants to throw at us.

That said I loved your analogy about Everest! With your well thought out reply you have spurred me to study this more. Thank you for some iron sharpening!

My main arguemeng remains, I just cannot discount God's sovereign will.

There is the example of Luke, the beloved physician, who wrote two of the NT books.

Numerous, Godly Christians have been medical missionaries.

 

[jb]

He is God and that's just the way it is. (Only took 5 secs,)

Cop Out!

SpiritofElijah (and any other interested person):

You can find a bit of a study Here on divine healing in the Name of Jesus...

Yahweh Shalom

 

[SpiritofElijah]

I have seen The Lame walked ive prayed and seen Legs healed Backs Healed ive been present when cancer heals over night and tumors dissolve ive seen the impossible Jesus still heals today you can do it get out there share the Love of Jesus pray for the sick and see them Get Healed in the Name of Jesus and sickness is not higher then the name of Jesus Mark 16:15-18

 

[breno785au]

No it is not God's will for everyone to be healed.

The Charismatics are wrong.

God will allow some Christians to go through sickness so that they can be made a partaker of God's holiness and so that they can relate to others who are also suffering from an infirmity. Hence, a Christian who is sick and has an illness can minister effectively to another person who also suffers from an infirmity.

Maybe but didnt Jesus heal everyone He prayed for? Or were they healed because they were chosen to be healed and so therefore He prayed for them? Jesus was whole in body and ministered to people with all sicknesses, I think the prerequisites are humility and compassion.

 

[saved1975]

Please head to your nearest children's hospital as soon as possible.

It's people who don't believe that God heals, That need to go to hospital.

 

[saved1975]

Well, exactly.

Even Paul had a thorn in the flesh, that the Lord would not remove; and he sought grace instead. Paul advised Timothy to take wine for his stomach's sake.

The Bible doesn't say that Jesus didn't remove Pauls thorn, In fact, if you read it in the Greek, You will see what was actually said, And that was, Jesus did remove Paul's thorn, Why do you think Paul rejoiced??.

 

[saved1975]

they don't, glad you think though, I guess that says alot.



Many people have died who did not have to who go by this belief. It is not that they did not have faith. It is Because God had a purpose for their suffering, And they did not get it. God even offered them help (see the post above you) and they refused it, thinking it would be a lack in faith in God.

It's one thing for a person to say they have faith, But having it is a completely different matter, Al I know is, Jesus said things like, "According to your faith be done unto you, & Your faith has healed you, & All things are possible to them that believe".

I believe and walk in divine health, Right from the day I got saved in 1975, And the people I teach these wonderful truths to, get healed.

 

[RickyZ]

Maybe but didn't Jesus heal everyone He prayed for? Or were they healed because they were chosen to be healed and so therefore He prayed for them? Jesus was whole in body and ministered to people with all sicknesses, I think the prerequisites are humility and compassion.

Jesus healed someone He never prayed for... the woman who touched His hem from behind. All that came to Him were healed. But He didn't really walk around town playing tag on people who weren't seeking Him. That's the thing, the power is all His, the only thing we bring to the table is our participation. Seek, you find, ignore, you miss out. That's the basis of all faith and reward. There's power in His hem. But you gotta touch it.

Thank you jjtj22. Always nice when someone "gets you' lol. The thing about God's sovereign will is that He choses not to enforce it, (kind of). God yielded His sovereignty to give man authority. His deal with Adam over the new creation was I'll Walk with you, Talk with you, Lend you an ear and Give you advise, but what you say Adam, that what goes. You Adam are the authority. So Adam gives that away to satan. God could have in His sovereign power taken it all back, but then that would put Him back in authority and that wasn't His intent, His will. His intent/will was for man to have authority. So to restore what He intended/willed meant a man had to take things back from satan. But who could do such a thing? Well, God, coming to us as a man. So the Messiah comes and indeed takes back authority. Hallelujah, not only does God still keep His sovereignty, but He now splits a 50/50 stake with man in the authority part of it. That's where our partnership comes in. It's His sovereign will that we participate with Him in the enforcement of His authority over creation. And we do that thru partnering in the gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit. God yields his will to give us the authority to participate in bringing His will to bear in this world, which was His original intent/will. If that makes any long-winded sense

 

[saved1975]

Well, exactly.

Even Paul had a thorn in the flesh, that the Lord would not remove; and he sought grace instead. Paul advised Timothy to take wine for his stomach's sake.

The Bible doesn't say that Jesus didn't remove Pauls thorn, In fact, if you read it in the Greek, You will see what was actually said, And that was, Jesus did remove Paul's thorn, Why do you think Paul rejoiced??.