Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?

[WordGaurdian]

The first key in sinning is convincing yourself that the sin itself isn't so bad.

The second key to sinning is convincing yourself that the sin would give you something which is good.

The third key to sinning is to go for it and ignore all warnings.

The fourth key to sinning is to get a couple of people to do the same, so that you don't feel as guilty, because if you are many you must be right.

The fifth key you realise that you did wrong, but now you must hide it.

This you can see easily in the story of Adam and Eve. If this isn't reason enough for you not to sin. Then you have already convinced yourself and you will soon either sin or you have sinned already and are trying to get others to join your party.

 

[cipher]

Could cross dressing and to some extent even the popularity being gay is gaining be a result of the rigidness of today's society which expects a man to dress like "a man", well what if a guy liked frilly or ornamental stuff or pink stuff, he would be called what...not man enough?...so what does he do? to which group can he belong?...you know what I mean....If we look thru history, even chivalrous men (Sir Walter Raleigh comes to mind) have worn frilly clothes or perhaps liked girly colors and stuff. The so called idealism of masculinity/femininity in today's society (or rather the past 100 years may be) has suffocated the genders so much that there has been this huge upsurge in the number of gay/les men and women. Nuclear families (also a product of idealization of romance to the exclusion of all else) with no proper network a person could rely on if something goes wrong with their life has resulted in this dismal situation of unChristian lifestyles. Come Lord Jesus and get us outta this horrible world we have created, soon Lord!

 

[Elizabeth619]

Aerin, I don't know if I am reading your posts correctly, but from what I am getting is you seem to be ok with crossdressing as long as the person doesn't do it with the intention of having sex. In other words if a man wants to dress like a woman it is ok as long as he isn't attracting other men to him. I have issue with that. First off, why would someone want to dress in a way that may cause someone of the same sex to be attracted to them? Whether that is the intent or not for someone to intentionally perceive themselves as something they are not is wrong. I don't know why you are trying to justify this issue, but you really need to study more and stop trying to change the word of God to fit your human ideas.

Another thing that really confuses me is when many homosexuals say that are born gay. Well, I can argue that, but I won't at this time. For the sake of argument we will say that is true. If God made someone gay and we should accept it then whats up with this whole transgender thing? They were born male, but want to be female so it is ok to "change" your gender because you feel better being a girl? Isn't that hypocritical? If God made some people gay then God also made people to remain the gender they are born with, and not intentionally try to change it.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"Scripture tells us that, in some high, holy and mysterious way, the distinction between male and female is foundational to our identity as human beings created in God's image. It also tells us that sex is the Creator’s unique gift to a husband and wife within the exclusive bond of marriage. It’s important to understand that the following thoughts are based upon and reflect these biblical doctrines which have been integral to the teaching of the Church for two millennia. "

Read on: Is cross-dressing a sin?

 

[SparkleEyes]

I really enjoy Aerin's responses. She is a very intelligent woman and her answers are always coherent and thoughtful. So many believers take things from the Bible literally. The Bible was written by men (maybe women helped too??) in a very different time and culture than ours. That DOESN'T mean that the culture was any worse than ours is now. It was just different. Despicable things happened back then, too.

I am not excusing homosexuality, cross dressing as so many think of it.

A purist would say that women shouldn't wear pants -- they didn't in the time of Jesus. For that matter, men didn't wear pants at that time either. Does that mean men shouldn't wear pants now either?

IMO There is NOTING wrong with a woman today wearing a shirt that was manufactured for men.

I think INTENT is the key. If a man puts on heels, a dress, lipstick because he wants to be a woman - that is wrong.

If a heterosexual man or boy with small feet and finds a pair of neutral looking shoes (maybe tennis shoes or sandles) that fit him better WHO cares that he wears them. What about a poor family who can't be too picky...their girl may wear a sweatshirt that was manufactured for a boy.

AGAIN - intent is the root concern.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"Gender dysphoria is a condition characterized by confusion or disconnection between a person’s natural or “assigned” gender and his or her “perceived” sexual identity. Some experts maintain that cross-dressers are not technically gender dysphoric, since they often claim to be happy and secure in their “assigned” sexual roles. Be that as it may, it seems fairly obvious that cross-dressing represents a deviation from the biblical standard of clear “male-female” sexuality.

The causes of this condition are as many and varied as its specific expressions. Perhaps the most important thing we can say about gender dysphoria in general and cross-dressing in particular is that they are extremely complex. This confusion is only compounded by the “open,” “tolerant” and “experimentalist” attitudes of a society in which sexual behavior once regarded as “deviant” is increasingly accepted and embraced as normal. In such an environment, a little bit of pre-adolescent sexual anxiety or perplexity can easily escalate into a full-blown adult lifestyle.

This is especially true in the case of young people who have been made unusually vulnerable to sexual confusion because of their background, temperament or individual circumstance. This can happen in a number of ways. In some situations, prevailing social attitudes may convince a sensitive male that his personality is incompatible with “standard” masculinity. In others, a young girl may decide — perhaps as a result of mistreatment or abuse — that she’d rather identify with what she perceives as the more “privileged” gender.

Early experiences of sexual abuse can also have a powerful impact on a child’s sense of gender identity, often alienating him from same-sex age-mates and even from his own body. These negative influences assume greater potency in homes where parents are absent or negligent, where relationships are distorted, or where mom and dad fail to promote natural modesty and instill healthy attitudes toward sex. In some instances the pain of these childhood wounds eventually drive an individual to a “tipping point” at which he or she consciously chooses to engage in abnormal behavior.

The good news is that there is hope for cross-dressers and those who struggle with other forms of gender dysphoria. They can make progress toward the goal of freeing themselves from these abnormal tendencies if they receive the proper treatment and make a conscious commitment to stick with it. The first step is to seek counseling from a qualified professional, preferably an individual who is understanding, compassionate, empathetic and willing to listen."

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[Angela53510]

Very interesting link, Sarah! I was also thinking about the XYY male and the XXX female. I know they are probably not intersexed, but definitely on that spectrum of differences in sexuality, with different traits than normal people, too! Then there is my son, with a sex-linked issue of severe colour blindness. He played pro hockey, and sometimes the hardest part of the game was red lights on a black board, which meant he could not see the clock. Yet no one thinks about how common this gene is, and how many male hockey players suffer from this problem. (8% of all males suffer from colourblindness, and sadly, I am the carrier!) I just hope his is not condemned by some Christians for being born this way!

I think that many here in this forum might not have any understanding of what intersexed is. And I agree with you that hormones and chemicals are wreaking havoc with the so-called sexuality of people.

One fact I heard is that the growth hormones in chickens are causing young girls feet to grow bigger. My daughter's feet are larger than mine, even though she is smaller than me. But it really took me by surprise when she had a birthday party as a teen, and every shoe in the pile at the door was bigger in size than my husband's shoes. And some of these were petite and very feminine girls.

It scares me to death what we are doing to the coming generations, and when I hear of your struggles as an intersexed person, I cannot imagine how people cannot spend a few minutes reading a link which will help them understand this medical condition.

It's almost as bad as the Health and Wealth gospel people condemning me for being sick with Rheumatoid Arthritis. A woman I consider a friend sent me another video today telling me about how God wants to heal me, with the typical bad exegesis and hermeneutics these people are prone too.

So let us not judge or condemn, until we have walk a mile or two in another's shoes. We live in a fallen world, and disease is part of that heritage. That includes genetic anomalies and illnesses.

 

[know1]

So, are you a man or a woman, or do you have both parts?
If you are a man, then why act like a woman? Your photo looks like a man acting like a woman. If you are a man, then act like one. Then pray for God to fix your private parts.
I am convinced that you were born under a curse because of one or both of your parent's sins.
In the old testament, God promises to bless the fruit of the woman's womb if they obey God's commands. If they didn't, God promised to curse the fruit of the womb.

Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, ...

 

[SarahM777]

Very interesting link, Sarah! I was also thinking about the XYY male and the XXX female. I know they are probably not intersexed, but definitely on that spectrum of differences in sexuality, with different traits than normal people, too! Then there is my son, with a sex-linked issue of severe colour blindness. He played pro hockey, and sometimes the hardest part of the game was red lights on a black board, which meant he could not see the clock. Yet no one thinks about how common this gene is, and how many male hockey players suffer from this problem. (8% of all males suffer from colourblindness, and sadly, I am the carrier!) I just hope his is not condemned by some Christians for being born this way!

I think that many here in this forum might not have any understanding of what intersexed is. And I agree with you that hormones and chemicals are wreaking havoc with the so-called sexuality of people.

One fact I heard is that the growth hormones in chickens are causing young girls feet to grow bigger. My daughter's feet are larger than mine, even though she is smaller than me. But it really took me by surprise when she had a birthday party as a teen, and every shoe in the pile at the door was bigger in size than my husband's shoes. And some of these were petite and very feminine girls.

It scares me to death what we are doing to the coming generations, and when I hear of your struggles as an intersexed person, I cannot imagine how people cannot spend a few minutes reading a link which will help them understand this medical condition.

It's almost as bad as the Health and Wealth gospel people condemning me for being sick with Rheumatoid Arthritis. A woman I consider a friend sent me another video today telling me about how God wants to heal me, with the typical bad exegesis and hermeneutics these people are prone too.

So let us not judge or condemn, until we have walk a mile or two in another's shoes. We live in a fallen world, and disease is part of that heritage. That includes genetic anomalies and illnesses.

I think I have a pretty good idea what may have happened. My mom was a nurse during the 50's -80's. During the time she was working the nurses would handle meds and chemicals without protective equipment. I saw first hand what can happen to a child that formed while the nurse was using drop ether with out that equipment. (My sister was born with severe birth defects) And the more that time goes on they are finding more and more links to birth defects from EVEN over the counter meds such as aspirin. When a male child is formed they have found that there three times in which that child is bathed in a testosterone bath,with girls same thing but with estrogen.

Here is a small list of some of the drugs that can cause birth defects. (Some of them are HORMONES)

Few drugs that are known to cause birth defects include-

Antibiotics- Tetracyclines, Sulfa drugs and Ciprofloxacin

Dermatological drugs- Isoretinoin

NSAIDS: Aspirin and other salicylates

Anti-cancer drugs- Bulsulfan, Chlorambucil, Cyclophosphamide, Mercaptopurine and Methotrexate

Anti-seizure medications- Phenytoin, Topiramate and Valproate

Certain anti-thyroid medications

Sex hormones- Androgens, Diethylstilbesterol (DES)

Blood pressure drugs- ACE (angiotensin converting enzyme) inhibitors and Angiotensin II antagonist

Certain drugs that treat rheumatic conditions

Asthma medications

Live vaccines

Lithium

Thalidomide

High doses of vitamin A

Blood thinning drug- Warfarin



Read more: Which Drugs can Cause Birth Defects? | Medindia Which Drugs can Cause Birth Defects? | Medindia

Do we honestly think that if someone is given sex hormones DURING pregenacy that it WON'T effect an unborn child?

The hardest part that has been for me is that even though I am not trying to come across as a different gender,I have been misgendered on the phone,from people coming up from behind me,and I am NOT trying to come across as a different gender then what is on my birth certificate.
(Mine was not seen till later in life,I went though very late puberty,I did not get all the secondary gender characteristics,etc)

I heard all the stuff about God made us male and female,except Jesus doesn't say He made us male and female,Jesus says HE made THEM male and female,speaking of Adam and Eve. Because in that same passage Jesus very clearly says they are those who are BORN eunuchs. Who are those who are born eunuchs? Do we think that Jesus knew there were those who are born intersexed and not only Him but the disciples because that is who He is speaking to? This in not something new.

See the real issue is not whether someone is born gay,bisexual,intersexed or transexual,it is what we DO WITH it that makes it sin or not. For those of us that are born this way God has given us BOUNDRIES. It's no different if I was born without legs,that does NOT give me license to steal. He will NOT excuse sin on the basis of a birth defect. It gets forgotten that Paul so very clearly says this

Romans 8

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Remember Jesus answered that question about people being born with birth defects. Why was the man born blind? Was it the man's sin? Was it the parents sin? And Jesus answer was it wasn't because of someone's sin but it was allowed so that God's work may be displayed in him.

God never promised us that He would heal us in this life. He never said everything that we would go through in this life was good. What He did tell us is that all things will work together FOR GOOD for those who love Him and are called according to His purposes. What He did promise us is that He would be with us in the midst of these things.

 

[SarahM777]

So, are you a man or a woman, or do you have both parts?
If you are a man, then why act like a woman? Your photo looks like a man acting like a woman. If you are a man, then act like one. Then pray for God to fix your private parts.
I am convinced that you were born under a curse because of one or both of your parent's sins.
In the old testament, God promises to bless the fruit of the woman's womb if they obey God's commands. If they didn't, God promised to curse the fruit of the womb.

Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, ...

If the privates parts are wrong,then why is it wrong for someone to have a doctor do that,but it's OK for other birth defects to be corrected by a doctors hand if God so leads?

 

[SarahM777]

[video=youtube;5b3MyX7Ivq0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b3MyX7Ivq0[/video]

 

[Kerry]

Most of the time ( not all) but most of the time when a person has gone so far as too physical change themselves they are so deceived and their mind debased that will not recognize the truth and refuse to accept Christ. Case in point, For years Noah warned and preached the gospel yet no one responded for their minds were on wickedness continually and laughed and mocked until the day came and they all drowned. I meant God can do anything, but how does a man that has changed into a women become a man again?

 

[Elizabeth619]

So, are you a man or a woman, or do you have both parts?
If you are a man, then why act like a woman? Your photo looks like a man acting like a woman. If you are a man, then act like one. Then pray for God to fix your private parts.
I am convinced that you were born under a curse because of one or both of your parent's sins.
In the old testament, God promises to bless the fruit of the woman's womb if they obey God's commands. If they didn't, God promised to curse the fruit of the womb.

Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, ...

Everyone sins, if that is a curse then everyone would be a hermaphrodite. What you are saying is a complete perversion of the scriptures.

If someone is born with both sex organs there is still a genetic dominance of one gender., and as the mature the dominant gene will manifest more. The bible doesn't speak on this issue, but one would rightfully assume that God had a purpose for the individual to be of one gender or the other, and if they can have corrective surgery to fix this issue then by all means have it.

 

[danalee]

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Marriage will no longer be held holy upon the resurrection. I think God is saying that we will no longer be identified as a human gender with a physical purpose. We will be part of God's holy body.

We need to encourage people in this direction of faith, where we no longer are bound to a physical image, we will all be the same in Christ.

We don't know why people behave the way they do. We can't answer all of those individual circumstances with one over-arching authority on why any of this happens to people. It just doesn't matter. We need to be very careful here in our judgements of others because at the core we are just as broken as any other person. We share this same incorrect, fallible feature with every other person who's ever lived.

This is the part where you exercise your skills in being loving toward others. You don't need to say it's okay. You don't need to say it's not okay. You need to ask God to forgive you as you forgive others for their fallen state and everything that comes with it. There is no right broken, sinning Christian.

 

[SarahM777]

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Marriage will no longer be held holy upon the resurrection. I think God is saying that we will no longer be identified as a human gender with a physical purpose. We will be part of God's holy body.

We need to encourage people in this direction of faith, where we no longer are bound to a physical image, we will all be the same in Christ.

We don't know why people behave the way they do. We can't answer all of those individual circumstances with one over-arching authority on why any of this happens to people. It just doesn't matter. We need to be very careful here in our judgements of others because at the core we are just as broken as any other person. We share this same incorrect, fallible feature with every other person who's ever lived.

This is the part where you exercise your skills in being loving toward others. You don't need to say it's okay. You don't need to say it's not okay. You need to ask God to forgive you as you forgive others for their fallen state and everything that comes with it. There is no right broken, sinning Christian.

You can not leave out that after Jesus rose from the dead,Mary saw Jesus as being MALE

John 20

11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
13 They asked her, “Woman, why are you crying?”
“They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don’t know where they have put him.” 14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?”
Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.”
She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.


God did make us with gender for His purposes and plans. Please do not read more into that passage then what is there. All it says is that we will not marry.

 

[Kerry]

Have you ever seen a female angel in scripture? To change what you are is in direct disobedience to the word, I meant you can't be fruitful and multiply. I think this is what the scripture refers to when it say's daring to do what the angels would not.

 

[SarahM777]

Have you ever seen a female angel in scripture? To change what you are is in direct disobedience to the word, I meant you can't be fruitful and multiply. I think this is what the scripture refers to when it say's daring to do what the angels would not.

How much do we really KNOW about the angels? You have a FEW verses about angles that appeared as men. MOST of the verses about angels do NOT say one way or the other.

 

[Kerry]

How much do we really KNOW about the angels? You have a FEW verses about angles that appeared as men. MOST of the verses about angels do NOT say one way or the other.

They were recognized as men and not one of them that were named had feminine names. Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer. The two angels at lots house, "we want those men" even after Lot offered his two virgin daughters, they wanted the "men"

 

[Elizabeth619]

How much do we really KNOW about the angels? You have a FEW verses about angles that appeared as men. MOST of the verses about angels do NOT say one way or the other.

MY personal view is when they appeared as men it was so they could interact with mankind. Maybe so they would not stand out and draw attention towards them. This doesn't mean angels in Heaven are all blonde headed Calvin Klein models with pretty wings. It just means they took on the appearance on man so it would be easier to interact with them. The bible does say that the appear in disguise. Appearing as a man is a purdy good costume IMO.

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[danalee]

You can not leave out that after Jesus rose from the dead,Mary saw Jesus as being MALE

John 20

11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
13 They asked her, “Woman, why are you crying?”
“They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don’t know where they have put him.” 14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?”
Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.”
She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.


God did make us with gender for His purposes and plans. Please do not read more into that passage then what is there. All it says is that we will not marry.

I can accept that. But I cannot accept the willful condemnation of people who have mental health issues. We need to support them. I could also Identify that some are demon possessed, will I therefore say, wow, you stupid sinning person for being so evil and wrought with satan? NO.