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We're not saved by the blood of Christ.
Here are the steps to be saved
How do we follow in Christ's footsteps? Step off the bench.
After that, don't stray from the beaten path.
Even if we believe in God, we will still go to Hell if we don't bother to follow in God's footsteps.
Being a Christian is not just about believing in Christ, but seeing the world through Christ's eyes.
Here are the steps to be saved
- accepting Christ as the savior of the world
- recognizing and acknowledging Christ's sacrifice on the cross
- resolve to follow in Christ's footsteps for the rest of your life
How do we follow in Christ's footsteps? Step off the bench.
After that, don't stray from the beaten path.
Even if we believe in God, we will still go to Hell if we don't bother to follow in God's footsteps.
Being a Christian is not just about believing in Christ, but seeing the world through Christ's eyes.
The cross the attonement of blood paid for your sinns past but now that you have accepted now its time to partake in His death and arise to the spirit setting aside your flesh and livi.g towards the spirit ,as it is our heavenly inheritance so lets start walking in victory mortifying our flesh and arising through christ and comfirmed through His Holy Spirit baptism and to be joined to one body by Spirit
No, God saves us:through faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son, Who died, was buried, quickened, raised to life and ascended to God's right hand.
By means of the finished work this sacrifice represents, God is able to accept us in the Beloved (Eph. 1). It is a spiritual work from start to finish, and entirely of faith - the faith of Christ, so that the flesh has nothing to glory in. It is all of God, in Christ Jesus.
We are identified with Christ - reckoned in God's sight to have died with Him, been buried with Him, quickened with Him, raised with Him and with Him ascended to God's right hand. It is a finished work. So all that remains is for Christ to appear in glory, where we too will appear with Him in glory (Col.3:4).
Praise God!
Amen, let it be Lord, let it be.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
By means of the finished work this sacrifice represents, God is able to accept us in the Beloved (Eph. 1). It is a spiritual work from start to finish, and entirely of faith - the faith of Christ, so that the flesh has nothing to glory in. It is all of God, in Christ Jesus.
We are identified with Christ - reckoned in God's sight to have died with Him, been buried with Him, quickened with Him, raised with Him and with Him ascended to God's right hand. It is a finished work. So all that remains is for Christ to appear in glory, where we too will appear with Him in glory (Col.3:4).
Praise God!
Amen, let it be Lord, let it be.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
You still can't see it or you just don't want to see it?
John 4:10,14-------------water
By one Spirit -----------baptized into one body, not by H20. Matthew 3:11 - I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will *baptize you with the Holy Spirit* and fire.
This is spiritual washing/purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation. Plain ordinary H20 has no power to regenerate man. You are confusing the symbol with the reality.
Washing of water by the Word. What water is that? (John 4:10,14; 7:38,39). Water baptism is not the only "water" mentioned in Scripture.
When comparing these 4 verses that all deal with the new birth, you still cannot see (refuse to see) how living water is made equivalent Spirit baptism, that is made equivalent to washing of regeneration/spiritual washing/purification of the soul that is made equivalent to washing of water by the word.
Jesus clearly stated in John 4:10 - If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water. Compare with 1 Corinthians 12:13 - ..drink into one Spirit.
John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life. Living water is not water baptism. So where does living water fit into your theology or is it simply ignored?
John 4:10,14-------------water
By one Spirit -----------baptized into one body, not by H20. Matthew 3:11 - I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will *baptize you with the Holy Spirit* and fire.
This is spiritual washing/purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation. Plain ordinary H20 has no power to regenerate man. You are confusing the symbol with the reality.
Washing of water by the Word. What water is that? (John 4:10,14; 7:38,39). Water baptism is not the only "water" mentioned in Scripture.
When comparing these 4 verses that all deal with the new birth, you still cannot see (refuse to see) how living water is made equivalent Spirit baptism, that is made equivalent to washing of regeneration/spiritual washing/purification of the soul that is made equivalent to washing of water by the word.
Jesus clearly stated in John 4:10 - If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water. Compare with 1 Corinthians 12:13 - ..drink into one Spirit.
John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life. Living water is not water baptism. So where does living water fit into your theology or is it simply ignored?
In Acts 11, Peter is explaining the events that took place in chapter 10. If you would finish reading through verse 17, you would see they received the Holy Spirit WHEN they BELIEVED ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, not before they heard nothing at all. *Compare this with Acts 16:31, "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU WILL BE SAVED." Acts 10:44 says, "THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME ON ALL WHO HEARD THE MESSAGE," not on all who heard nothing.
Acts 10:44 - While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. "Began to speak" (Acts 11:15) and "still speaking" (Acts 10:44) are not in contradiction. Acts 10:44 says, while he was "still speaking," which means, he already started talking and said, "WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS" (Acts 10:43). So obviously, began to speak can't mean, said nothing at all yet, because that would contradict, "still speaking." There is a difference between "as" I began to speak and "before" I began to speak.
Acts 10:44 - While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. "Began to speak" (Acts 11:15) and "still speaking" (Acts 10:44) are not in contradiction. Acts 10:44 says, while he was "still speaking," which means, he already started talking and said, "WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS" (Acts 10:43). So obviously, began to speak can't mean, said nothing at all yet, because that would contradict, "still speaking." There is a difference between "as" I began to speak and "before" I began to speak.
Amen! Romans 10:8 - But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart" (together) that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, (notice the reverse order from verse 9-10) - that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confess/believe; believe/confess. Not two separate steps to salvation, but chronologically together. Nothing mentioned here about water baptism being unto righteousness/unto salvation. That would contradict Romans 10:9,10.
You cannot understand 1 Peter 3:21 without 1 Peter 3:20, it has the antitype,
1 Peter 3:20-21 (NKJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP] who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. [SUP]21 [/SUP] There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:20-21 (NKJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP] who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. [SUP]21 [/SUP] There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Wow, the latest poll of Americans is that about 83% believe in God and Christ's resurrection. That would mean that right now 85% of all Americans will be going to heaven. Yet, America is quickly going to hell in a handbasket. Seems 15% has much more power than the 85%. Where is all that fruit of the Spirit in these 85%?
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Yes, the blood does wash us and make us clean. But only when we have faith in his gospel.
Come now sis, You know this is not true. If this was true, I would not think I have the spirit, as I was baptized, and not speaking against being baptized at all.
The question is when does the spirit come in (anoint) a new Child of God. When they have faith as call out on the Name of God, or long after this when they do the work of water baptism?
Who has denied faith? No one. Not one person in this thread has said faith isn't part of the gospel or that it isn't needed. Nor has anyone said faith has nothing to do with baptism
That is what you are acting like. Why would you make the statement about faith above if you didn't think that way?
Your problem is, is the your view of "work" Jesus' death was a work.
Wouldn't "calling on the name of the Lord" be a work as well?
Faith without works is dead. If one's faith is dead how are they part of the body of Christ? How are they saved? When one refuses works they are showing an unchanged life. Their heart is "dead".
A person who claims to be a Christian and lives in willful disobedience is not saved. This is why baptism is a large part of one's salvation. Now, is baptism the only thing that gets you saved? Nooooooooo. You obviously have to believe the gospel, and you can't believe the gospel unless you heard it. Once you believe one would have to admit they're a sinner and confess Jesus is Lord. If you cannot admit you're a sinner then you never understood the gospel. Then, one is baptized into the death, burial and resurrection in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost to begin their new transformed life as a Christian.
That is what you are acting like. Why would you make the statement about faith above if you didn't think that way?
Your problem is, is the your view of "work" Jesus' death was a work.
Wouldn't "calling on the name of the Lord" be a work as well?
Faith without works is dead. If one's faith is dead how are they part of the body of Christ? How are they saved? When one refuses works they are showing an unchanged life. Their heart is "dead".
A person who claims to be a Christian and lives in willful disobedience is not saved. This is why baptism is a large part of one's salvation. Now, is baptism the only thing that gets you saved? Nooooooooo. You obviously have to believe the gospel, and you can't believe the gospel unless you heard it. Once you believe one would have to admit they're a sinner and confess Jesus is Lord. If you cannot admit you're a sinner then you never understood the gospel. Then, one is baptized into the death, burial and resurrection in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost to begin their new transformed life as a Christian.
Good question Eternally grateful... When does the Spirit enter into the person?
Maybe it is AFTER the person is as pure as God... When ALL the washing is DONE! When is that? When is God satisfied that a person is as PURE AS GOD HIMSELF IS PURE? And what really does go into this pure as God man? Since we know now that every person that has the hope of being a child of God Purifieth HIMSELF as God is pure, and we all agree it is by the BLOOD of the Lamb. How do we purify ourselves... By Repentance?
Here is one verse to consider at this moment... 1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Now to consider if a Pure man is already filled with the spirit and the heart of God? God calls pure men SAINTS! And as we know from Eph 4 that SAINTS still need to be perfected before they are JOINED to the Body of Christ, before they are fit for the WORK of THE MINISTERY... So no Saints are NOT yet to the measure of the Spirit and the Man Jesus was. So what do make saints the measure of Christ? It has to be the BAPTISM of the Holy Spirit.....
Look at Acts 4 where Philip got to the city in Samaria... They were all repented from their old faith and ways. All evil demons were chased out and kept out. All sickes and lame were healed. They accepted the Gospel of Jesus and yet ..... The Spirit did not fall on none of them YET... The ciry was in great joy and they all were Baptized in the Name of Jesus by a Spirit-filled Philip. But NO SPIRIT for any of them YET....
Then the Apstles John and Peter came and prayed for them and the Spirit was given to them.... NOW! They were lost and mislead. Then Philip healed and served them the Gospel of Jesus. They believed and accepted the Gospel, they were BAPTIZED by a HOLY MAN of God... but they did not reveive the Holy Spirit YET...
Then Peter and John came and they baptized then with teh laying on of the hands and prayer.... And you can read the rest.
So how do I receive the Spirit today? When does HE enter INTO me? And what or where will I be if He is in me, Will I be? IN HIM? John 17? Will Jesus be in me and me in Him? If that is true who lives in me? Me or Jesus? Please give me your take WITH Scripture on when is the Holy Spirit in a person and are the person IN CHRIST?
Maybe it is AFTER the person is as pure as God... When ALL the washing is DONE! When is that? When is God satisfied that a person is as PURE AS GOD HIMSELF IS PURE? And what really does go into this pure as God man? Since we know now that every person that has the hope of being a child of God Purifieth HIMSELF as God is pure, and we all agree it is by the BLOOD of the Lamb. How do we purify ourselves... By Repentance?
Here is one verse to consider at this moment... 1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Now to consider if a Pure man is already filled with the spirit and the heart of God? God calls pure men SAINTS! And as we know from Eph 4 that SAINTS still need to be perfected before they are JOINED to the Body of Christ, before they are fit for the WORK of THE MINISTERY... So no Saints are NOT yet to the measure of the Spirit and the Man Jesus was. So what do make saints the measure of Christ? It has to be the BAPTISM of the Holy Spirit.....
Look at Acts 4 where Philip got to the city in Samaria... They were all repented from their old faith and ways. All evil demons were chased out and kept out. All sickes and lame were healed. They accepted the Gospel of Jesus and yet ..... The Spirit did not fall on none of them YET... The ciry was in great joy and they all were Baptized in the Name of Jesus by a Spirit-filled Philip. But NO SPIRIT for any of them YET....
Then the Apstles John and Peter came and prayed for them and the Spirit was given to them.... NOW! They were lost and mislead. Then Philip healed and served them the Gospel of Jesus. They believed and accepted the Gospel, they were BAPTIZED by a HOLY MAN of God... but they did not reveive the Holy Spirit YET...
Then Peter and John came and they baptized then with teh laying on of the hands and prayer.... And you can read the rest.
So how do I receive the Spirit today? When does HE enter INTO me? And what or where will I be if He is in me, Will I be? IN HIM? John 17? Will Jesus be in me and me in Him? If that is true who lives in me? Me or Jesus? Please give me your take WITH Scripture on when is the Holy Spirit in a person and are the person IN CHRIST?
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Believers are sealed with the Spirit when they trust Jesus Christ:
Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
We are saved by the blood of Jesus, Heb 9: 22. 1 Jn 1: 9
Rom 5: 9, "Justified" is the same as salvation, You cannot be justified without being saved.
Dunking your head in the shower is no good, As every Greek meaning for, "Baptism", Is by total immersion.
Those infants who their religion says are baptised by a dabbing or sprinkling of water, Aren't Baptised the Biblical way.
So all those people who were so-called baptised as an infant, Aren't baptised, Unless they were totally immersed in water later in life, AFTER THEY GOT SAVED.