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i think we can combine both classes! 
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
(Acts 4:11-12)
salvation is found in exactly 1 person.
1 Savior + 0 other things = 1 name under heaven by which we must be saved.
isn't it good He has brought us into the light so that we can all have fellowship in this
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
(Acts 4:11-12)
salvation is found in exactly 1 person.
1 Savior + 0 other things = 1 name under heaven by which we must be saved.
isn't it good He has brought us into the light so that we can all have fellowship in this
amen!
dead faith is not faith at all.
and do you think Paul is foolish enough to mean "dead faith" when he says "by grace through faith you are saved, and that not of yourselves" ?
it is a gift of God! if i dig a well, does it belong to me or to my shovel? even to God, for i belong to Him, and the whole earth also.
thank God for the strength he gives us to dig pits, set snares and roll stones; may He in His mercy keep us from falling into them, being caught or being crushed as they roll back upon us.
dead faith is not faith at all.
and do you think Paul is foolish enough to mean "dead faith" when he says "by grace through faith you are saved, and that not of yourselves" ?
it is a gift of God! if i dig a well, does it belong to me or to my shovel? even to God, for i belong to Him, and the whole earth also.
thank God for the strength he gives us to dig pits, set snares and roll stones; may He in His mercy keep us from falling into them, being caught or being crushed as they roll back upon us.
"Baptismal regeneration" means different things to different people.
What I believe, and what the bible teaches, is water baptism for remission of sins for those that are believers, Mk 16:16, Acts 2:38.
What you do above is what others have tried to do. You cannot go to a remote text like Jn 4:10 and apply figurative meaning of that text to all other texts that speak of water. Does the figurative use of 'water" in Jn 4:10 then make the "water" of Jn 3:23 and Jn 4:7 also figurative? No. And nothing in the immediate context of Jn 3:5 shows that water is anything other than literal water.
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Jesus was not teaching the disciples how to wash feet nor making foot washing an act of worship but He used the overt act of foot washing in teaching the lesson of humbleness - which is the lesson that is to be taken from that context.
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Jn 3:5 Born of water is passive as the imperative to "be baptized" in Acts 2:38 is also passive. How does one obey a passive?
One obeys by submitting himself to water baptism where God does the work in cutting away the body of sin, Col 2:12-14.
So in the new birth/water baptism, one submits himself to the work of God, and the work God does will not happen till one obediently submits to the command to be baptized/born again. So man initiates the action by submitting.
So God does not randomly choose to whom He will or will not initiate the action of cutting away sin but does so to those that obediently submit to him in water baptism.
Looking at it from your point of view, if God initiates the action, and my sins are not cut away and I am lost, then that would be 100% God's fault for failure to initiate the action.
In reality, I am lost for MY failure to initiate the action in submitting to God in water baptism.
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ummmm. . . .he was already "mighty in the scriptures"; "instructed in the way of the Lord"; knew only the baptism of John ----- Why would Aquila and Priscilla "expound" on what he already knew? They expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly . . .
The apostles could only baptize with water being men - the apostles couldn't baptize in holy Spirit regardless of how much authority they had.
John's baptism is with water . . . John may have been the forerunner but there was coming one mightier than he! and he was going to be baptizing in holy Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The apostles could only baptize with water being men - the apostles couldn't baptize in holy Spirit regardless of how much authority they had.
John's baptism is with water . . . John may have been the forerunner but there was coming one mightier than he! and he was going to be baptizing in holy Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The bible say differently than you;
Jn 3:5----------------spirit++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1cor12;13------------spirit++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>in the body
Tts 3:5------------HolyGhost++++++++washing of reg.>>>saved
My Wal-Mart example shows the ridiculousness of Jesus commanding a full grown man standing in front of Him that he must be physically born. As if Jesus could not understand he ALREADY was physically born. The new birth was something Nicodemus had NOT experienced, but he had experience the physical birth. SO the physical birth has nothing to do with the new birth, meaning that "born of water", as shown above, means water "baptized", "washing of regeneration".
wow i didn't think "salvation is found in Christ alone" would be a point of contention!
God saves, preaching doesn't.
God by His grace through faith saves.
faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. the Word is proclaimed by preaching, but a preacher doesn't save.
have a look at the parable of the sower if you think preaching itself saves.
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
(1 Corinthians 3:6)
God saves, preaching doesn't.
God by His grace through faith saves.
faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. the Word is proclaimed by preaching, but a preacher doesn't save.
have a look at the parable of the sower if you think preaching itself saves.
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
(1 Corinthians 3:6)
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you need to take the reading class with alligator.
works of merit is a work you do to earn something. (Also Paul says not by works of righteousness, which would be works of obedience. so both types of works are destroyed as a means to salvation)
Your saying we must work to gain salvation. So your saying works of merit save you.
Everyone can see it but you (and alligator and caisan who also refuse to give up their works.
So those who have been saved through faith (Ephesians 2:8) do not possess eternal life as a present possession? Is that what you are saying? What did Jesus say in John 5:24 - "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Who is confused?
Read it again - has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Jesus is the door. John 10:9 - I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. Jesus is THE DOOR. He is not simply a door to the next door. He is also not a revolving door.
Faith has no content? Please define faith. Hebrews 11:1 says that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. What is the content of saving faith? Nothing?
That's not what Ephesians 2:10 says. Read verses 8-10. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. We are saved FOR good works, not by good works. Big difference.
So Christ only initially saves us through faith but we ultimately save ourselves by works? Is that what you are saying? Does that agree with Ephesians 2:8-10? No it does not.
It sounds like you are mixed up in the sinless perfection doctrine.
Perfect (teleioi). The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. The goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father. The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children. Absolute perfection (sinless, without fault or defect, flawless) for us will not become a reality until Christ returns and then we will be made perfect with Christ. Have you bought into the lie of Satan that becoming sinless, without fault or defect, flawless in this life is the basis by which you will receive eternal life?
Faith does more than simply get us in the door. From beginning (have been saved through faith - Ephesians 2:8) to end (receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls - 1 Peter 1:9) salvation is through FAITH in Christ.
John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Galatians 3:26 - For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. If we are justified by faith, then we currently have eternal life as a present possession (John 5:24). Relationship restored through faith.
So just how faithful do we have to be? According to your logic, that could include any number of good works but no assurance of eternal life. 1 John 5:13 - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Receiving the end of our faith--the salvation of our souls is being faithful to the end.
You are confusing Justification with ongoing Sanctification.
I don't confuse what we are saved BY with what we are saved FOR, as you do.
John 3:18 (b) - ..but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. That's not salvation for unbelievers. What confusion!
Salvation has three tenses. We have been saved from the penalty of sin (Justification) we are being saved from the power of sin (ongoing Sanctification) and we will be saved from the presence of sin (Glorification). These tenses often get mixed up by works salvationists.
John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. Eternal life is not about working with God in order to help Him save you.
What more do I need to accomplish and add to the cross? His sacrifice was sufficient and complete. No supplements needed.
1 John 5:13 - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.. Do you believe in the name of the Son of God? Do you know that you have eternal life?
WOW! So you are not trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption? You don't believe in your heart (but only in your head) that God raised Him from the dead? (Romans 10:9). You don't believe the gospel? (Romans 1:16). What do you think it means to BELIEVE in Him? (John 3:16,18,36; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31).
WOW! 1 John 5:13 - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned.. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. 2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Are you ready to repent and believe the gospel?
Read it again - has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Jesus is the door. John 10:9 - I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. Jesus is THE DOOR. He is not simply a door to the next door. He is also not a revolving door.
Faith has no content? Please define faith. Hebrews 11:1 says that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. What is the content of saving faith? Nothing?
That's not what Ephesians 2:10 says. Read verses 8-10. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. We are saved FOR good works, not by good works. Big difference.
So Christ only initially saves us through faith but we ultimately save ourselves by works? Is that what you are saying? Does that agree with Ephesians 2:8-10? No it does not.
It sounds like you are mixed up in the sinless perfection doctrine.
Perfect (teleioi). The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. The goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father. The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children. Absolute perfection (sinless, without fault or defect, flawless) for us will not become a reality until Christ returns and then we will be made perfect with Christ. Have you bought into the lie of Satan that becoming sinless, without fault or defect, flawless in this life is the basis by which you will receive eternal life?
Faith does more than simply get us in the door. From beginning (have been saved through faith - Ephesians 2:8) to end (receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls - 1 Peter 1:9) salvation is through FAITH in Christ.
John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Galatians 3:26 - For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. If we are justified by faith, then we currently have eternal life as a present possession (John 5:24). Relationship restored through faith.
So just how faithful do we have to be? According to your logic, that could include any number of good works but no assurance of eternal life. 1 John 5:13 - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. Receiving the end of our faith--the salvation of our souls is being faithful to the end.
You are confusing Justification with ongoing Sanctification.
I don't confuse what we are saved BY with what we are saved FOR, as you do.
John 3:18 (b) - ..but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. That's not salvation for unbelievers. What confusion!
Salvation has three tenses. We have been saved from the penalty of sin (Justification) we are being saved from the power of sin (ongoing Sanctification) and we will be saved from the presence of sin (Glorification). These tenses often get mixed up by works salvationists.
John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. Eternal life is not about working with God in order to help Him save you.
What more do I need to accomplish and add to the cross? His sacrifice was sufficient and complete. No supplements needed.
1 John 5:13 - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.. Do you believe in the name of the Son of God? Do you know that you have eternal life?
WOW! So you are not trusting in Christ's finished work of redemption? You don't believe in your heart (but only in your head) that God raised Him from the dead? (Romans 10:9). You don't believe the gospel? (Romans 1:16). What do you think it means to BELIEVE in Him? (John 3:16,18,36; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31).
WOW! 1 John 5:13 - These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.. John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned.. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. 2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Are you ready to repent and believe the gospel?
Yes and it's not because works have some kind of intrinsic merit within themselves to save our souls, but because works confirm that our faith is alive. We are made alive in Christ by grace through faith, first (Ephesians 2:5-9) then we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works. Good works are produced by a living faith, not a dead faith.
You are getting the cart before the horse. We must have a living faith in order for it to be active. Works are not necessary to become saved, but they are necessary to demonstrate that we are saved. I will show you my faith by my works. Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No fruit demonstrates no root. We are saved through faith, not works. Good works confirm that our faith is alive and an empty profession of faith with no works confirms that our faith is dead (James 2:14-26).
You are getting the cart before the horse. We must have a living faith in order for it to be active. Works are not necessary to become saved, but they are necessary to demonstrate that we are saved. I will show you my faith by my works. Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. No fruit demonstrates no root. We are saved through faith, not works. Good works confirm that our faith is alive and an empty profession of faith with no works confirms that our faith is dead (James 2:14-26).
Can't speak for others, they are doing a fine job, but I'm not working for salvation. I already have salvation as scripture defines it and uses it, as does every other human being. However, working to attain eternal life is altogether a different story.
Tell me did Adam not have to do anything? Did God create him to swing in a hammock and do nothing, or even just a passive inert, object like a tree who functions on the laws of nature, has no rational soul, was NOT created in God's Image with a purpose much larger than a tree.
I cannot help you don't understand scripture, don't understand salvation as explained in scripture. You have some kind of philosophy of some kind of salvation, from what I'm not sure. But whatever it is you believe has no historical value since it is not the Gospel from the beginning. It is not the Gospel given ONCE for all men.
After all, Christianity has existed for 2000 years already, or maybe you don't believe it has. Do you believe Christ failed in preserving His Body, or the Gospel entrusted to it? If so, why would you believe in Him if He has not been able to keep His word?
Tell me did Adam not have to do anything? Did God create him to swing in a hammock and do nothing, or even just a passive inert, object like a tree who functions on the laws of nature, has no rational soul, was NOT created in God's Image with a purpose much larger than a tree.
I cannot help you don't understand scripture, don't understand salvation as explained in scripture. You have some kind of philosophy of some kind of salvation, from what I'm not sure. But whatever it is you believe has no historical value since it is not the Gospel from the beginning. It is not the Gospel given ONCE for all men.
After all, Christianity has existed for 2000 years already, or maybe you don't believe it has. Do you believe Christ failed in preserving His Body, or the Gospel entrusted to it? If so, why would you believe in Him if He has not been able to keep His word?