How freewill salvation perverts God's Justice !

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I believe that BradC is speaking about 'svedbygrace' who is a 5 point hyper-calvinist.
There is five points/types of hyper-calvinism and they are:

1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear.
2. Denies that faith is a duty of a sinner.
3. Denies that the gospel makes any offer of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect.
4. Denies that there is such a thing called common grace.
5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.

Not even real Calvinist believe this is truth. These five are heretical in each point. Calvinism rejects those five types/points.

Got the list from --> A Primer on Hyper-Calvinism where you can learn more about it.
 

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He came to give us life and give it more abundantly John 10:10, as well in the same verse it is the thief that has come to steal, kill and destroy, this new life.
And will agree on anyone getting caught up in the word, and get one's focus to be intense on anything about the word to where one loses total focus on Christ as our author and finisher of truth to our new life in Spirit and truth, by the resurrected Christ by Father for us.
Yet free will has to be in place, otherwise God can't claim to love us all
 

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linda



Yes they are, so you don't believe the Gospel, its plain and simple !
So where does it say in the word to be a certain denomination? I beleive, you beleive, Linda beleives, and many brethren here believe and go to different denominations all in the effort to learn and grow in this fabulous grace given to us all, while we all are not perfect.
I do not see any direct words in the word to be a _________________________________, or a______________________, in no way, can you show me where your place of worship is set up above the rest, please?
I beleive and I am to be a __________________, to be saved. I think not? Yet we all have free choice to agree or not, I love God for this, since that alone shows me how deep God does just love, not only me, but all the same
 
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Yes they are, so you don't believe the Gospel, its plain and simple !
This is not gospel
SECOND HEAD: ARTICLE 8. For this was the sovereign counsel and most gracious will and purpose of God the Father that the quickening and saving efficacy of the most precious death of His Son should extend to all the elect, for bestowing upon them alone the gift of justifying faith, thereby to bring them infallibly to salvation; that is, it was the will of God that Christ by the blood of the cross, whereby He confirmed the new covenant, should effectually redeem out of every people, tribe, nation, and language, all those, and those only, who were from eternity chosen to salvation and given to Him by the Father; that He should confer upon them faith, which, together with all the other saving gifts of the Holy Spirit, He purchased for them by His death; should purge them from all sin, both original and actual, whether committed before or after believing; and having faithfully preserved them even to the end, should at last bring them, free from every spot and blemish, to the enjoyment of glory in His own presence forever.
 
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So where does it say in the word to be a certain denomination? I beleive, you beleive, Linda beleives, and many brethren here believe and go to different denominations all in the effort to learn and grow in this fabulous grace given to us all, while we all are not perfect.
I do not see any direct words in the word to be a _________________________________, or a______________________, in no way, can you show me where your place of worship is set up above the rest, please?
I beleive and I am to be a __________________, to be saved. I think not? Yet we all have free choice to agree or not, I love God for this, since that alone shows me how deep God does just love, not only me, but all the same
Until you see what some believe,then you will not believe what they believe because it is not what you believe.
 
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G-od's
O-nly
P-urpose
E-ternal
L-ife

He came to give us life and give it more abundantly John 10:10, as well in the same verse it is the thief that has come to steal, kill and destroy, this new life.
And will agree on anyone getting caught up in the word, and get one's focus to be intense on anything about the word to where one loses total focus on Christ as our author and finisher of truth to our new life in Spirit and truth, by the resurrected Christ by Father for us.
Yet free will has to be in place, otherwise God can't claim to love us all
I like it but you missed out the "S" Saving
 
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[h=4]Genesis 6:12 KJV[/h]And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt ; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

[h=4]1 Timothy 2:6 KJV[/h]Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

[h=4]Romans 3:23 KJV[/h]For all have sinned , and come short of the glory of God;

[h=4]2 Corinthians 1:20 KJV[/h]For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

[h=4]John 6:37 KJV[/h]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise castout.

Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy , and eat ; yea, come , buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Salvation is for all who will come to God.







 
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Does one have to believe in Christ in order to Life ?


John 5:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Does one have to believe in Christ in order to have Eternal Life ? The answer of that question is NO, absolutely not, for believing in Christ contributes nothing to one having Life Eternal, however believing in Christ is the fruit and effect of one already having Eternal Life. Now I already know that the antichrist followers are going to vehemently oppose and deny this Truth, however its to be testified unto anyway !

Understand, everyone Jesus Christ died for has Eternal Life as a Free Gift, this is whether they are believer or not, though they shall believe sometime in their Lifetime before they die or the Lord comes first.

Now before anyone whom Christ died for believes the Gospel, and while they are yet being enemies to God in themselves, they have Eternal Life #1 By Imputation of a Free Gift of God, by the simple fact that Christ died for them Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul here is stating Fact, not making a offer, Just telling like it is, The wages of sin is death [through adam] BUT the Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ Our Lord, that is Just a plain fact if indeed He died for us ! Thats the real nature of the Gift, it is charged to our account freely and graciously !

Jesus Christ dying alone gives those He died for Eternal Life, that's why its said to be through Him in Rom 6:23 !941
 
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Does one have to believe in Christ in order to Life ? 2


Again, Does one have to believe in Christ in order to have Eternal Life ? The answer of that question is NO, absolutely not, for believing in Christ contributes nothing to one having Life Eternal, however believing in Christ is the fruit and effect of one already having Eternal Life.

The point is this, that Jesus Christ death alone gives Eternal Life to all for whom He died, we see that it is #1 By Imputation, that is God reckons it so through Jesus Christ being His Gift to them He died for Rom 6:23 !

#2 This same Imputation of Eternal Life is declared again in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even soby the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

This is saying that Christ's one act of Righteousness [His Person and Work], the Free Gift came upon all men to Justification of Life, Life here is Eternal Life, just as the afore mentioned condemnation was Eternal Damnation or Death, Just as the legal consequences of adam's offence imputed Legal condemnation to Death Eternally , which Christ suffered, even so, the Legal consequences of Christ's act of Righteousness imputes Legal Life to Eternal Life, The Legal sentence of Justification gives the legal Right to Eternal Life !942
 
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Does one have to believe in Christ in order to Life ? 2


Again, Does one have to believe in Christ in order to have Eternal Life ? The answer of that question is NO, absolutely not, for believing in Christ contributes nothing to one having Life Eternal, however believing in Christ is the fruit and effect of one already having Eternal Life.

The point is this, that Jesus Christ death alone gives Eternal Life to all for whom He died, we see that it is #1 By Imputation, that is God reckons it so through Jesus Christ being His Gift to them He died for Rom 6:23 !

#2 This same Imputation of Eternal Life is declared again in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even soby the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

This is saying that Christ's one act of Righteousness [His Person and Work], the Free Gift came upon all men to Justification of Life, Life here is Eternal Life, just as the afore mentioned condemnation was Eternal Damnation or Death, Just as the legal consequences of adam's offence imputed Legal condemnation to Death Eternally , which Christ suffered, even so, the Legal consequences of Christ's act of Righteousness imputes Legal Life to Eternal Life, The Legal sentence of Justification gives the legal Right to Eternal Life !942

  • Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
  • Everything belongs to God and he has given me all things that pertain to life....can I use these two verses to make a withdrawal from the US federal reserve?

    1 Corinthians 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

    2 Peter 1:3
    King James Version
    According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
  • Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    John 6:45
    King James Version
    It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Taught of God not Calvin not Wesley not me ....
 
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Until you see what some believe,then you will not believe what they believe because it is not what you believe.
God has said for us to learn and God is our teacher to know truth, the truth that sets one free.
so as I see this that means if I am in bondage, then I am not free. And whoever is as well in bondage are not free either are they?
So if I see I am in bondage and thus know by bondage I am not free would I then need to rethink the truth that I think is truth, when by being in bondage I am not free, so is it time to rethink truth? if you, me or anyone else reading this is not free, and in bondage striving hard to be free?
Maybe it is time to check why or how we are not free, since he came to set us free from stress and worry right, life more abundantly I think was said by Christ himself John 10:10?
 
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  • Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
  • Everything belongs to God and he has given me all things that pertain to life....can I use these two verses to make a withdrawal from the US federal reserve?



  • Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

    John 6:45
    King James Version
    It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Taught of God not Calvin not Wesley not me ....
Posts 629 and 630, did you read those posts and understand the points I made ? Please review all the points I made and explain them as I did, then show how they are wrong ! Thanks !
 
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Posts 629 and 630, did you read those posts and understand the points I made ? Please review all the points I made and explain them as I did, then show how they are wrong ! Thanks !
Again, Does one have to believe in Christ in order to have Eternal Life ? The answer of that question is NO, absolutely not, for believing in Christ contributes nothing to one having Life Eternal, however believing in Christ is the fruit and effect of one already having Eternal Life.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


[h=3]Mark 16:15-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned


The point is this, that Jesus Christ death alone gives Eternal Life to all for whom He died, we see that it is #1 By Imputation, that is God reckons it so through Jesus Christ being His Gift to them He died for Rom 6:23 !
Be careful you are writing a new gospel...

[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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[SUP]14 [/SUP]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


[h=3]Mark 16:15-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned



Be careful you are writing a new gospel...

[SUP]31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Posts 629 and 630, did you read those posts and understand the points I made ? Please review all the points I made and explain them as I did, then show how they are wrong ! Thanks !
 

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Does one have to believe in Christ in order to Life ? 2


Again, Does one have to believe in Christ in order to have Eternal Life ? The answer of that question is NO, absolutely not, for believing in Christ contributes nothing to one having Life Eternal, however believing in Christ is the fruit and effect of one already having Eternal Life.

The point is this, that Jesus Christ death alone gives Eternal Life to all for whom He died, we see that it is #1 By Imputation, that is God reckons it so through Jesus Christ being His Gift to them He died for Rom 6:23 !

#2 This same Imputation of Eternal Life is declared again in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even soby the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

This is saying that Christ's one act of Righteousness [His Person and Work], the Free Gift came upon all men to Justification of Life, Life here is Eternal Life, just as the afore mentioned condemnation was Eternal Damnation or Death, Just as the legal consequences of adam's offence imputed Legal condemnation to Death Eternally , which Christ suffered, even so, the Legal consequences of Christ's act of Righteousness imputes Legal Life to Eternal Life, The Legal sentence of Justification gives the legal Right to Eternal Life !942
Saying that the death by itself brings life is as I see it, is not life, Death is death period, and life is life
so without receiving the resurrected life of Christ, we are dead with Christ and not alive in Spirit and truth, is what i see.

So as you are stating, By death alone as is what you are saying, as I read it from you, which you have confirmed over and over to me and all here
that in essence we are saved by his death at the cross and only to those God has chosen; is this truth from you to us all hear reading?
 

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Does one have to believe in Christ in order to Life ?


John 5:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Does one have to believe in Christ in order to have Eternal Life ? The answer of that question is NO, absolutely not, for believing in Christ contributes nothing to one having Life Eternal, however believing in Christ is the fruit and effect of one already having Eternal Life. Now I already know that the antichrist followers are going to vehemently oppose and deny this Truth, however its to be testified unto anyway !

Understand, everyone Jesus Christ died for has Eternal Life as a Free Gift, this is whether they are believer or not, though they shall believe sometime in their Lifetime before they die or the Lord comes first.

Now before anyone whom Christ died for believes the Gospel, and while they are yet being enemies to God in themselves, they have Eternal Life #1 By Imputation of a Free Gift of God, by the simple fact that Christ died for them Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul here is stating Fact, not making a offer, Just telling like it is, The wages of sin is death [through adam] BUT the Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ Our Lord, that is Just a plain fact if indeed He died for us ! Thats the real nature of the Gift, it is charged to our account freely and graciously !

Jesus Christ dying alone gives those He died for Eternal Life, that's why its said to be through Him in Rom 6:23 !941
I have seen twister played and played twister many times, you are so far the best at it in twisting up and creating confusion to seen as truth, the same as the serpent did to Eve,
thank you though much appreciated as to make us all sharper that the two edged sword that Father give us his children, thankd to Son Christ's finished work for us
I seriously see a using of truth that twists truth, and am at peace with it, for that is what i hear Father saying to be at peace over it and learn from it
The peace, love, understanding, joy and righteousness come from Father by the Holy Spirit of truth about Son that passes all all understanding to Human nature in being born selfish, to begin with, ans is why all have fallen short and need for new life in Spirit and truth, and this is done for us at the resurrected Christ not the dead Christ
Thank for I see what Paul meant about the resurrected Christ and without Christ risen we would still be in our sins
So love you anyway, seeing God's Mercy given to me and all who cry for it, give it out as well
 
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Posts 629 and 630, did you read those posts and understand the points I made ? Please review all the points I made and explain them as I did, then show how they are wrong ! Thanks !
Your evil remain with you I will do no such thing.You have profane the word of God and submitted to the work of the devil.