Should a Husband beat his wife

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(Rev 1:9)ABP

I John, your brother and partaker with you in tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
(Rev 1:9)ASV

I, John, your brother and joint participant in the affliction and kingdom and endurance in Jesus Christ, came to be in the island called Patmos, because of the word of God, and because of the testimony of Jesus Christ."
(Rev 1:9) CLV

I am John, your brother. I share your suffering, ruling, and endurance because of Jesus. I was exiled on the island of Patmos because of God's word and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) GW

I am John, your brother and partner in the oppression, kingdom, and patience that comes because of Jesus. I was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) ISV

I, even your brother John, and co-sharer in the affliction, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, came to be in the island being called Patmos because of the Word of God, and because of the witness of Jesus Christ.
(Rev 1:9) LITV

I, John, your brother and co-sharer in the affliction and kingdom and steadfastness in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony about Jesus.
(Rev 1:9) LEB

I don't believe vs. 9 is referencing what was to come in ch. 6-19
Ugh I was brushing my teeth and I started connecting dots and realized I'm totally incorrect on this.

Ok let's assume my partial preterist presuppositions are correct.

Presup.1. Most of Matthew 24 is finished.
Presup 2. Revelation has a pre AD 70 date of writing.

There is no way Rev 1:9 is the same event as Matthew 24:29.

If Rev 1 was written before the events of Matthew 24:29, there is no way John could be participating in tribulations that hadn't even started yet.

So Rev 1:9 is clearly in reference to tribulation in general, and not those specific to Matthew 24:29.

Ok now I'm off to THE SLEEP.
 

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Those are some interesting English translations of Rev 1:9

Here are some more mainstream English translations.

NKJV
9 I, John, both[a] your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

NASB
9 I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and[a]perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.


HCSB
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation, kingdom, and endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s word and the testimony about Jesus

ESV
9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.


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We could swap English translations all day Let's take a look at the Greek in two verses.

First a verse I'm sure you'd say is about THE tribulation

Matthew 24
[ The Coming of the Son of Man ] “Immediately after the tribulation of those days: The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the celestial powers will be shaken.

Then our Rev 1:9
I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation, kingdom, and endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s word and the testimony about Jesus.

The Greek word for tribulation in both verses is
thlipsis

Neither verse in the Greek has a "the" in front of
thlipsis.

Rev 1:9 in the greek has en
thlipsis (in tribulation)
Matthew 24 has meta
thlipsis (after tribulation).

So imposing a THE in front of tribulation in both verses in the English is totally a translator addition to convey meaning. In Greek there is no THE tribulation.

So it's really hard to say that there is a THE tribulation in Matthew 24 and another generic "tribulation" in Rev 1:9.

Although contextually you can argue that Matthew 24 is speaking of another time of tribulation. You just can't make that argument by fighting over the presence of THE, cuz THE isn't in the Greek.

And now i'm off to THE sleep..cuz i'm THE tired.

Good night.
Mt 24 ?
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Whatever you want to call it, it is greater than the event in 70 AD and I believe yet to come.
 

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Ugh I was brushing my teeth and I started connecting dots and realized I'm totally incorrect on this.

Ok let's assume my partial preterist presuppositions are correct.

Presup.1. Most of Matthew 24 is finished.
Presup 2. Revelation has a pre AD 70 date of writing.

There is no way Rev 1:9 is the same event as Matthew 24:29.

If Rev 1 was written before the events of Matthew 24:29, there is no way John could be participating in tribulations that hadn't even started yet.

So Rev 1:9 is clearly in reference to tribulation in general, and not those specific to Matthew 24:29.

Ok now I'm off to THE SLEEP.
I read somewhere (I would actually appreciate feedback) that Patmos means Mortality (Island of Mortality) - I don't know if there is any meaning in that or not (if it is even true). Anyway, if...if my current belief is correct - that Peter, James, and John received the Revelation (maybe just John, but probably not) at the transfiguration (Remember, Jesus said not to tell anyone until the Son of Man had risen from the dead (Mark 9:9). Then why couldn't this be what John was talking about. The tribulation, and quite frankly the greatest abomination (God being killed by His people). It is commonly believed that the disciple whom Jesus loved was John, and if this is accurate, then he was there at the cross (although I would not take a firm stand on this because I believe there is a verse somewhere that says they all scattered - I don't really want to go into this, as it is not the point that I am discussing:)). If John wrote Revelation relatively soon after Jesus' Resurrection, then he could very well be talking about the trial and crucifixion itself - We shouldn't assume that Peter was the only one that was questioned in regard to having connections to Jesus.

Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
 

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Ezekiel 34
Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy and say to those shepherds, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Woe, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock? [SUP]3 [/SUP]You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool, you slaughter the fat sheep without feeding the flock. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Those who are sickly you have not strengthened, the diseased you have not healed, the broken you have not bound up, the scattered you have not brought back, nor have you sought for the lost; but with force and with severity you have dominated them. [SUP]5 [/SUP]They were scattered for lack of a shepherd, and they became food for every beast of the field and were scattered. [SUP]6 [/SUP]My flock wandered through all the mountains and on every high hill; My flock was scattered over all the surface of the earth, and there was no one to search or seek for them.”’”[SUP]7 [/SUP]Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: [SUP]8 [/SUP]“As I live,” declares the Lord God, “surely because My flock has become a prey, My flock has even become food for all the beasts of the field for lack of a shepherd, and My shepherds did not search for My flock, but rather the shepherds fed themselves and did not feed My flock; [SUP]9 [/SUP]therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: [SUP]10 [/SUP]‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will demand My sheep from them and make them cease from feeding sheep. So the shepherds will not feed themselves anymore, but I will deliver My flock from their mouth, so that they will not be food for them.”’”

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. [SUP]12 [/SUP]As a shepherd cares for his herd in the day when he is among his scattered sheep, so I will care for My sheep and will deliver them from all the places to which they were scattered on a cloudy and gloomy day. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries and bring them to their own land; and I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the inhabited places of the land. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I will feed them in a good pasture, and their grazing ground will be on the mountain heights of Israel. There they will lie down on good grazing ground and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I will feed My flock and I will lead them to rest,” declares the Lord God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]“I will seek the lost, bring back the scattered, bind up the broken and strengthen the sick; but the fat and the strong I will destroy. I will feed them with judgment.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]“As for you, My flock, thus says the Lord God, ‘Behold, I will judge between one sheep and another, between the rams and the male goats. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Is it too slight a thing for you that you should feed in the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the rest of your pastures? Or that you should drink of the clear waters, that you must foul the rest with your feet? [SUP]19 [/SUP]As for My flock, they must eat what you tread down with your feet and drink what you foul with your feet!’”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore, thus says the Lord God to them, “Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Because you push with side and with shoulder, and thrust at all the weak with your horns until you have scattered them abroad, [SUP]22 [/SUP]therefore, I will deliver My flock, and they will no longer be a prey; and I will judge between one sheep and another.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them; I the Lord have spoken.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“I will make a covenant of peace with them and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. [SUP]26 [/SUP]I will make them and the places around My hill a blessing. And I will cause showers to come down in their season; they will be showers of blessing. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Also the tree of the field will yield its fruit and the earth will yield its increase, and they will be secure on their land. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bars of their yoke and have delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. [SUP]28 [/SUP]They will no longer be a prey to the nations, and the beasts of the earth will not devour them; but they will live securely, and no one will make them afraid. [SUP]29 [/SUP]I will establish for them a renowned planting place, and they will not again be victims of famine in the land, and they will not endure the insults of the nations anymore. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then they will know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and that they, the house of Israel, are My people,” declares the Lord God. [SUP]31 [/SUP]“As for you, My sheep, the sheep of My pasture, you are men, and I am your God,” declares the Lord God.

It never ceases to amaze me that Ezekiel says "Son of Man" more times than the entire rest of the bible combined and people still do not believe that it was fulfilled in the man, Jesus Christ. "Son of Man" and "Son of God".
 
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I read somewhere (I would actually appreciate feedback) that Patmos means Mortality (Island of Mortality) - I don't know if there is any meaning in that or not (if it is even true). Anyway, if...if my current belief is correct - that Peter, James, and John received the Revelation (maybe just John, but probably not) at the transfiguration (Remember, Jesus said not to tell anyone until the Son of Man had risen from the dead (Mark 9:9). Then why couldn't this be what John was talking about. The tribulation, and quite frankly the greatest abomination (God being killed by His people). It is commonly believed that the disciple whom Jesus loved was John, and if this is accurate, then he was there at the cross (although I would not take a firm stand on this because I believe there is a verse somewhere that says they all scattered - I don't really want to go into this, as it is not the point that I am discussing:)). If John wrote Revelation relatively soon after Jesus' Resurrection, then he could very well be talking about the trial and crucifixion itself - We shouldn't assume that Peter was the only one that was questioned in regard to having connections to Jesus.

Revelation 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Yeah I'm going to have to conclude that he meant the literal island known as Patmos. He said that in a didactic section of Revelation that's meant to be taken in a literal sense. If Patmos is figurative, then near/soon/at hand is too. We can't have our didactic arguments and eat it too. Well you can figuratively eat it, but it would be a figurative eating of a didactic section. (I'm toying around with the phrase, you can't have your cake and eat it too.)

Ok after some more considering, early date people think Revelation was written around 66-67 ad. I recall that the Neronian persecution of Christians was 64-68 AD, so upon yet another review, I conclude it's possible that is within the timeline of the Matthew 24 event. Here I go overturning my own rulings! Dog gone those replacement refs.

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Yeah I'm going to have to conclude that he meant the literal island known as Patmos. He said that in a didactic section of Revelation that's meant to be taken in a literal sense. If Patmos is figurative, then near/soon/at hand is too. We can't have our didactic arguments and eat it too. Well you can figuratively eat it, but it would be a figurative eating of a didactic section. (I'm toying around with the phrase, you can't have your cake and eat it too.)

Ok after some more considering, early date people think Revelation was written around 66-67 ad. I recall that the Neronian persecution of Christians was 64-68 AD, so upon yet another review, I conclude it's possible that is within the timeline of the Matthew 24 event. Here I go overturning my own rulings! Dog gone those replacement refs.

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Do you know if Patmos means mortality or was that false information?
 

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Revelation 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,

My bible notes also says that "the Lord's day" actually means "the Imperial Day". What do you make of that?

Hopefully the Holy Spirit will let me know, but until then I discuss with mere mortals:).
 

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"Should a Husband BEAT his Wife?"

.............goodness...........can't read the OP, cause thiss'ins on my Ignore List...........but just the Title of the OP is justification enough for him to be on my Ignore List............goodness........
 
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Revelation 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,

My bible notes also says that "the Lord's day" actually means "the Imperial Day". What do you make of that?

Hopefully the Holy Spirit will let me know, but until then I discuss with mere mortals:).
Hmmm...which study Bible do you have? I've never heard that interpretation before. Which doesn't give any validity to anything. There is tons of stuff I've never heard.
 
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Revelation 1:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP]I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,

My bible notes also says that "the Lord's day" actually means "the Imperial Day". What do you make of that?

Hopefully the Holy Spirit will let me know, but until then I discuss with mere mortals:).
I used Google and searched for "imperial day" and Revelation 1:10

This came up. Based on this, I'd have to say someone would have to be cautious about firmly stating it means Imperial Day. To me it is a plausible option, but I wouldn't make that claim with total certainty.


The word rendered "Lord's" in this passage is kuriakee in the Greek. It is an adjective form of kurios, the latter being the regular word for Lord in the New Testament. The same adjective is used in only, one other place in the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:20, in the phrase "Lord's supper." It is used in ex*actly the same sense in the two passages, namely, to denote a thing peculiarly and dis*tinctively the Lord's. As we have no suitable adjective form of the noun "Lord" in English to use in these two phrases, the possessive form "Lord's" is employed, making them read "Lord's day" and "Lord's supper" respectively.There has been no question on the correct rendering of kuriakee in the phrase "Lord's day" until recent years, since the discovery in Egypt of fragmentary papyrus documents and certain inscriptions, written in Greek, reveal*ing the general fact that the New Testament was written in the common language of the people, called the koinee. Both the words kurios and kuriakos are found in these writ*ings, not infrequently referring to the Roman emperor, who in the time of heathen Rome came to be called both "Lord" and "Son of God." It is a significant fact, however, that the so-called Christian emperors did not use these blasphemous titles. Because Paul and John both wrote in the time of heathen Rome, and since there was a monthly day devoted to ceremonial worship of the emperor, some have taken the view that the kuriakee day in Reve*lation 1:10 was intended to designate emperor's day, and should therefore be translated "im*perial day."
This might be an easy way to avoid the con*troversy over whether "Lord's day" means the seventh-day Sabbath or Sunday, but such a ren*dering of kuriakeeseems utterly inconsistent and groundless. It would be as reasonable to render "Lord's supper" as "imperial supper." Paul's use of the adjective was much earlier than John's, and if the heathen meaning was to be carried over into New Testament usage, this would be more likely at the time of Paul's writing than later when John wrote. In other words, kurios, the noun, had taken on unques*tioned application to Christ in the earliest of New Testament writings, and its adjective form, kuriakos, would naturally and logically follow in the same sense in Christian usage. Then again, what object would John have in stating that his vision fell on emperor's day rather than on the day belonging distinctively and exclusively to the divine Lord who re*vealed Himself to John in the visions of Reve*lation?
https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1934/03/the-lords-day-of-revelation-1:10
 
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Should A Husband beat His Wife> And most Christians say YES>YES>YES!ENJOY
With respect to a husband beating his wife, only spanking is permitted, biblically speaking. And that is only if both parties consent.

You can find that in Proverbs. Where also you will find that the expression “spanking the monkey” refers to someone like yourself
 
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That is not a kind analogy for such a "Great Love". !!!!! But however at Hebrews 12:4-11 were are told that God does discipline those He loves!
 

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That is not a kind analogy for such a "Great Love". !!!!! But however at Hebrews 12:4-11 were are told that God does discipline those He loves!
Big............BIG difference between being chastised by God, who does so out of love for us...........His children...........and some guy BEATING his wife........

Can't think of one Scripture that says BEATING is done out of love...........

People should spend time volunteering in Women's Shelters to see the results of such ideology...........goodness..........
 
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So If the church has to go through the Tribulation,. Jesus God Is a Wife beater because we are the bride of Christ.Enjoy

I see where you are going: Your intention was to start a thread out of attention to lead people to have the same blaspheming psychopathic mentality you have and your point is flawed. You are twisting scripture to indoctrinate the unlearned
Firstly, the Messiah is not the Creator , he is the Light to the Gentiles and the Savior to the Israelites, his father is the Creator.
Secondly, the tribulations are not physical they are spiritual for the church or temple is our body here the holy spirit lies in us. Therefore, we must learn how to WALK in that spirit having the seal of the living GOD or else we will FALL. It is considered a beating for you decide to walk in the FLESH for the flesh cannot endure what is about to happen. The Most High only want wants those ho are proven worthy to live in the kingdom. It will be our righteousness of Faith that will help us endure read Hebrews 11.

So therefore having put it if you are considering the tribulation to be a beating and that Christ is a wife beater it is because you decide to walk in the flesh therefore, you are not his bride for flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom coming on earth. In simpler terms, a woman who wanted to be someone's bride would show herself worthy of being that bride. An woman found unworthy would not make it to the wedding day
 

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Well, at least you STARTED OUT pretty good...........I suppose that's something.......... :)

Then you started trying to make points with your "First............"

That's where you lost me completely..........as your statement denies the Holy Trinity, the Deity of Christ........oh well, one wrong teacher (you) chastising another wrong teacher (that guy)...........BUT you guys do not fail to amuse.......
 

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Good night.
Mt 24 ?
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Whatever you want to call it, it is greater than the event in 70 AD and I believe yet to come.
Forgot to give the verse reference to tha above...Mt. 24:21. This seems to eliminate 70 AD as a possibility since it was not the greatest of tribulations that the world has ever known.
 

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I see where you are going: Your intention was to start a thread out of attention to lead people to have the same blaspheming psychopathic mentality you have and your point is flawed. You are twisting scripture to indoctrinate the unlearned
Firstly, the Messiah is not the Creator , he is the Light to the Gentiles and the Savior to the Israelites, his father is the Creator.
Secondly, the tribulations are not physical they are spiritual for the church or temple is our body here the holy spirit lies in us. Therefore, we must learn how to WALK in that spirit having the seal of the living GOD or else we will FALL. It is considered a beating for you decide to walk in the FLESH for the flesh cannot endure what is about to happen. The Most High only want wants those ho are proven worthy to live in the kingdom. It will be our righteousness of Faith that will help us endure read Hebrews 11.

So therefore having put it if you are considering the tribulation to be a beating and that Christ is a wife beater it is because you decide to walk in the flesh therefore, you are not his bride for flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom coming on earth. In simpler terms, a woman who wanted to be someone's bride would show herself worthy of being that bride. An woman found unworthy would not make it to the wedding day
Do you always talk to the banned? Oh, I guess it don't matter when it's all 'figurative' anyways.
 
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It seems that Many think that the Church must go though the tribulation, So as the Bride of Christ > Jesus must beat Us!> Your thoughts. Kinda like Islam A
Yes I beat my wife all the time and proud of it. I'm not going to lie. She needs to know I don't play. I beat her in chess, basketball, I beat her in video game. I'm pretty much beat her in everything we play. :)