It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

homwardbound · Jun 8, 2014

Bookends, have you not been confirmed by God that you are God's? Do you not see the enemy trying to displace the Fact that you are God's
And if you haven't yet, I pray you do as in God's timing if you are still a learning truth over error. god carries on the work to completion Brother and one sees finally it is about about whether one still sin or not, it nothing more that do you believe God or not, period nothing more as the serpent is still at work today to cause doubt and cause one to sin and be guilty over and over again, fruitlessly

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

then once we ask, without any other motive but to be friends with God God gives this new life in Spiir9t and truth by the resurrected Christ does God not?

After this new life in Spirit and truth is given by God a free gift we are taught truth over all the errors we have attached to before this day came in place, and taught all over again as Saul was, taught all over again

And so now Brother be confirmed in Spirit and truth, as you know already you are
[h=3]Romans 8:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

homwardbound · Jun 8, 2014

Deadtosin said:

Amen and thank you for your boldness, as you are dead to sin, thanks to Christ's death for you to be this daily, and alive daily to Father in Spirit and truth, no matter where one goes or not goes,. the calling is Father's to us by Son's finished work for us to walk in Spirit and truth. Wondering do you think, thus one can go amongst the sick? Only if God calls I think
Yet society has forbidden a believer to go amongst the sick, in fear of being corrupted. Pretty tricky of the enemy in doing this.
for the enemy can truly do nothing about me being saved or anyone being saved. So has caused division. Trying to stop others he has in his grasp from being saved as well, you think
Now if one does go like say to a bar, as called, won't unless called, so if one goes and is tempted, then I say the enemy at it again to try to steal, kill and destroy
Over the years, this is accomplished with lots of glossed over truth that does not set one free
Think on that for a little while, and God will tell you truth over error if ready

homwardbound · Jun 8, 2014

newbirth said:

Where do I ever say I am not holding firm?
[h=3]Colossians 1:22-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

2Thewaters · Jun 8, 2014

The Gospel is REPENTANCE from doing sins
keeping the commandments by the power of Christ within you the hope of glory
Dont let anyone take your crown

homwardbound · Jun 8, 2014

Alligator said:

Yes all sins and all that is left for you and all is to either believe or not nothing else. So either you beleive or you do not.
You know in you what is truth here, I do not this is between God and you a matter of life and death, I make no judgement here not even of myself, for I am constrained to this unfathomable Mercy of God through Son Christ

Alligator · Jun 8, 2014

Alligator said:

homwardbound said:

He didn't say that. You missed my point. I'm using this verse to prove that you can fall from grace which he denies.

RickyZ · Jun 8, 2014

2Thewaters said:

See that's the point - no one can take your crown.

But you can give it away.

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

SECURELY TIPTOEING THROUGH THE ETERNAL SECURITY PASSAGES IN HEBREWS

Will you pardon me,
come tip toe through the verselets mit me,

and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation; < Heb 5

Salvation is to eternal life; the salvation which the Lord Jesus offers is an eternal salvation. By correlation with the rest of scripture, we know that the only essential command to obey here is
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Now let no one be so obtuse as to insist:

But I don't want no eternal salvation, I demand a mere chance to be saved, because I want to do the old white knuckle routine, hanging on the outside of the ark by a nail. My free-will and my ability to be a good boy may not be violated theillogically. Instead of giving me eternal salvation, I insist on a mere 15 minute salvation at the start; after that I will wing it on my own.

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

RickyZ said:

Well Ricky (say hi to Lucy for me),
IMHO, not only can you give it away, but it can be taken from you.

But no matter. The Crown (stephanos, victory wreath actually) is a figure of speech for a reward. And there are about 5 victory wreathes mentioned in scripture. Rewards may be given for good works; they are earned or lost. Even if all reward be lost, a Christian will be saved, even by fire (the fire that burns up his unworthy works) at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Rewards can be for works; judgment is by works.

But salvation is not by works, but by grace.
Salvation is free; discipleship costs all.

Thus on the topic of eternal security, "crowns" are not relevant.

I hope that helps. And I pray you can bring yourself to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal destiny. He cast out no one who comes to him. No one, not even yourself can get out of the protective hand of the Lord once He puts you there.

The hand of my Savior is strong;
& the arm of my Savior is long;'
Thru sunshine or rain;
Thru loss or in gain,
The blood flows from cal'vry to cleanse every stain;

There's room at the cross for you (2x)
Tho millions have come,
There' still room for 1,
Yes, there's room at the cross for you.

Knell at the cross,
Christ will met you there;
Come while He waits for you;
List' to His voice,
Leave with Him your care;
And begin life anew;

Kneel at the cross;
Leave cares behind;
Kneel at the cross;
Jesus will meet you there.

The unbreakable chain:

foreknown . . . foreordained . . . called . . . justified . . . glorified!

Rom 8.

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

2Thewaters said:

The usual word in the gospel of salvation is faith/believe, repeated over and over with no ifs, ands, or buts.

A few times you find "repent" (metanoeō = change mind). There is another word for being sorry, metamelomai; Judas did that kind of repentance, then hanged himself. Saving repentance is not being sorry for sin or making a resolution to turn over a new leaf. It is the change of mind to trusting the Lord Jesus as Savior.

The only change of mind that saves is the change from distrust to trusting the Savior; for example a change of mind from confidence in good works instead of in the Savior. Another change of mind is from writing off salvation as "a chance to get to Heaven," instead of real salvation: guaranteed outcome.

Can you bring yourself to depend on the Lord Jesus as the one who will take care of your destiny and give you eternal life? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

Alligator said:

Alligator, methinks you would do well to concentrate on that saying: "You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

As so many do, you try to make an argument from a passage that does not say "eternal life."
You indeed can fall away from grace when the gospel of grace is put under your nose, and you can't stand the smell and fall away, like the arresters of the Lord Jesus who went to arrest Him, but when He utters, ego eimi I (emphatic) AM! They fell back and down. But he was not arrested at that point; it is not that they got loose of Him.

But once you are a sheep you have eternal life and shall never perish. That is because the shepherd is a real Savior, not just a judge who gives you a shot at it if you be a good boy.

Can you bring yourself to stop arguing and start trusting the Lord with your eternal destiny? Salvation is of the LORD.

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

Someone says that

"The Gospel is REPENTANCE from doing sins
keeping the commandments . . ." etc.

Now I would like to know,
when did anyone reading this post ever go a day without sinning?

Should you 'fess up. Did your day go like this:

ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna
ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna
ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna

Whoops, Hold on thar -- I done did it!

Or maybe it was:

ain't gonna ain't gonna ain't gonna .
I'm leaving the church now.
By the time I got home I forget all about the ain't gonnas, and spend the rest of the day sinning in various & sundry ways.

Deadtosin · Jun 8, 2014

homwardbound said:

Forever and ever, Amen

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

What Does It Mean To Be "Saved"?

By now anyone reading this thread has to realize that to claim to be "saved" and to claim that the Lord Jesus is one's "Savior" means quite different things to those who believe in eternal security vs to those who deny it and teach insecurity.

When I say that the Lord Jesus is my Savior and that He has saved me,
I mean something quite different from those who deny security.
I mean that He has transformed me, given me a new godly nature with life that is eternal, and that He keeps me from perishing without fail.

If you deny this, then at least you should know that you don't accept Christ as your Savior in the sense that I do.

Could it be that by not trusting the Lord Jesus to actually get you to Heaven (not just a chance at it), you fail to trust Him as Savior and thus are not saved but heading for the Lake of Fire? Is it not time to trust Him as only, sufficient, & efficient Savior?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

Heaping Thru Hebrews, Heaping the Evidence for Eternal Seguridad

< Heb 6, perhaps a favorite chapter of some here:

What would you swear by? Would you utter an oath that you will be cut up in pieces if you don't follow through with your oath?

For when God made promise to Abraham, since he could swear by none greater, he sware by himself, saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And thus, having patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men swear by the greater: and in every dispute of theirs the oath is final for confirmation. Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly to the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath; that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us: which we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and stedfast and entering into that which is within the veil; whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a high priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. "

For when God made promise to Abraham, since he could swear by none greater, he sware by himself, saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And thus, having patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men swear by the greater: and in every dispute of theirs the oath is final for confirmation. Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly to the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath;

The promises to Abraham and to the heirs of those promises are immutable. The Lord God Almighty has sworn and will not retract that He will bless the heirs. Now how care such going to end up in the Lake of Fire?

At the solemn ceremony solemnizing the Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis, a peculiar thing was done. Abraham cut up animals into parts and put them on two tables. Then YHWH passed between the cut up parts, as indicated by a torch of fire going between them. But what was Abe doing at the time? Why Abe was asleep! Abe didn't take part. This was a one-say deal; a Covenant dictated by YHWH (Abe got no input), then Abe is asleep and doesn't sign the covenant. Can you not see the symbolism how YHWH is indicating that if He doesn't carry through with His side of the bargain (only 1 side really), may He be cut in pieces like the animals.

"that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us:"

The chief heir of the Abrahamic Covenant eventually gets down to the Lord Jesus. Those in the Body of Christ are included because we are in Christ. Now the Lord has declared that He will bless us with no uncertainty about it whatsoever. We were not even present when He made that great promise. We find in the NT explanations of some of the fail-safe blessings. One is that we are freely given all things (Rom 8). Now that is good enough for me.

Is it not time to rouse up and lay hold by faith of the promised blessing by trusting the Lord Jesus as Savior?

Atwood · Jun 8, 2014

Continuing on Hebrews a la Eternal Security

Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of the promise the immutability of his counsel, interposed with an oath; that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us: which we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and stedfast and entering into that which is within the veil;

Our hope presents itself to us as an anchor of the soul, sure and steadfast.

We have eternal life; we shall never perish. We have an anchor sure and steadfast.

Anyone know that gospel song, "My anchor holds?" It's a rouser.

1 Though the angry surges roll
On my tempest-driven soul,
I am peaceful, for I know,
Wildly though the winds may blow,
I’ve an anchor safe and sure,
That shall evermore endure.

Refrain:
And it holds, my anchor holds:
Blow your wildest, then, O gale,
On my bark so small and frail;
By His grace I shall not fail,
For my anchor holds, my anchor holds.

2 Mighty tides about me sweep,
Perils lurk within the deep,
Angry clouds o’ershade the sky,
And the tempest rises high;
Still I stand the tempest’s shock,
For my anchor grips the rock. [Refrain]

3 I can feel the anchor fast
As I meet each sudden blast,
And the cable, though unseen,
Bears the heavy strain between;
Through the storm I safely ride,
Till the turning of the tide. [Refrain]

4 Troubles almost ’whelm the soul;
Griefs like billows o’er me roll;
Tempters seek to lure astray;
Storms obscure the light of day:
But in Christ I can be bold,
I’ve an anchor that shall hold. [Refrain]

Now don't be a singing:
"I've an anchor that may slip,
& I'll have to take a dip."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxmnfLwaWZ8

Bookends · Jun 8, 2014

homwardbound said:

Bookends, have you not been confirmed by God that you are God's? Do you not see the enemy trying to displace the Fact that you are God's
And if you haven't yet, I pray you do as in God's timing if you are still a learning truth over error. god carries on the work to completion Brother and one sees finally it is about about whether one still sin or not, it nothing more that do you believe God or not, period nothing more as the serpent is still at work today to cause doubt and cause one to sin and be guilty over and over again, fruitlessly

Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

then once we ask, without any other motive but to be friends with God God gives this new life in Spiir9t and truth by the resurrected Christ does God not?

After this new life in Spirit and truth is given by God a free gift we are taught truth over all the errors we have attached to before this day came in place, and taught all over again as Saul was, taught all over again

And so now Brother be confirmed in Spirit and truth, as you know already you are
Romans 8:16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

My eternal security is not in question, Hom...Thanks for your concern.

Alligator · Jun 8, 2014

Atwood said:

Alligator, methinks you would do well to concentrate on that saying: "You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

As so many do, you try to make an argument from a passage that does not say "eternal life."
You indeed can fall away from grace when the gospel of grace is put under your nose, and you can't stand the smell and fall away, like the arresters of the Lord Jesus who went to arrest Him, but when He utters, ego eimi I (emphatic) AM! They fell back and down. But he was not arrested at that point; it is not that they got loose of Him.

But once you are a sheep you have eternal life and shall never perish. That is because the shepherd is a real Savior, not just a judge who gives you a shot at it if you be a good boy.

Can you bring yourself to stop arguing and start trusting the Lord with your eternal destiny? Salvation is of the LORD.

Tell you what Atwood, I will stop arguing if you stop using that ridiculous statement "trust in Jesus". Who else am I supposed to trust in, you? I Happen to think that is a lazy mans religion, and I do not want any part of it.

newbirth · Jun 8, 2014

Atwood said:

Thanks for your confidence in me God be praised

newbirth · Jun 8, 2014

Atwood said:

and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Now this man is using deceit to support a doctrine of man...we know that the only essential command to obey here is
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved. Anyone with half a brain will know that to obey him means not just one command but all now he made it easy for us by saying all is fulfilled in one, LOVE,if you believe someone why is it so hard to obey them or why would you want to obey only some of what they say or tells you to do.Just like in vs 8 we have to learn obedience to be conformed to his image

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