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The terror group "Isis",, Pronounce Names - How to Pronounce Isis - YouTube ,,,is headed for Baghdad ISIS Militants Laden With Weapons, Stolen Cash Head for Baghdad - NBC News ,,,Isis is a terror group ISIS: The first terror group to build an Islamic state? - CNN.com commonly mispronounced as "ICE ISS" also the name of several gods and goddesses Isis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (not to be confused with the Greek name of Jesus),, How to pronounce Iesous (Greek/Greece) - PronounceNames.com - YouTube ,,,,

The terror group ISIS "Islamic state in Iraq and Syria",,,will as it seems be in the news headlines for a while now and as we know the news will pronounce and mispronounce it as time goes by(please note the difference). As it seems we the world or one or more nations will be affected by Isis and/or will send support to end their path to create a sharia law state,,,,"should we become involved or not"?,,
 
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iamsoandso said:
The terror group "Isis",, Pronounce Names - How to Pronounce Isis - YouTube ,,,is headed for Baghdad ISIS Militants Laden With Weapons, Stolen Cash Head for Baghdad - NBC News ,,,Isis is a terror group ISIS: The first terror group to build an Islamic state? - CNN.com commonly mispronounced as "ICE ISS" also the name of several gods and goddesses Isis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (not to be confused with the Greek name of Jesus),, How to pronounce Iesous (Greek/Greece) - PronounceNames.com - YouTube ,,,,

The terror group ISIS "Islamic state in Iraq and Syria",,,will as it seems be in the news headlines for a while now and as we know the news will pronounce and mispronounce it as time goes by(please note the difference). As it seems we the world or one or more nations will be affected by Isis and/or will send support to end their path to create a sharia law state,,,,"should we become involved or not"?,,
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Should we get involved? no!! Obama administration warned the Iraqi repeatedly to make peace with the Sunni population, which it refused. Now it has come to this. Let Iraq fight its own war or make peace with the Sunnis.
 
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yes I agree somewhat,,the Sunnis believe one way and the Shiites another as to who should be the rightful leader. I suppose it's the same as us where some Christians state that peter received the key to the kingdom then 1st pope,2nd pope,3rd pope,,ect. well but other Christians do not see that path of ruler-ship of effect.

Once we entered into these wars we shook the different leaders/powers that they(Islams/Muslims)had already been arguing over and so now as we are drawing to a close in the war and returning home they will continue the struggle to put who they believe to be the rightful leader in power. here is a link that sort of describes why they will now go to war History News Network | What Is the Difference Between Sunni and Shiite Muslims--and Why Does It Matter?

I'm not sure that they could have any peace with each other that is if "A nation" went to war with Europe and the Americas and we have many different denominations, but lets say they after the war,took the branch Davidians from Waco and set them up as the interim government and left,would the Catholics,Baptist,Pentecostals ect. all agree to make peace with them and agree to follow the theocracy of the Davidians?,,(just using this as an example,lol),,,that is there would be a major power struggle,,that is if the u.s. government did no longer exist and we became a christian theocracy. Well in the same the different types of Muslims/Islams believe that the leader above them is also set as ruler in different ways,,,never the less we went to war there and weakened the ones who were strong and strengthened those who were weak,,so now they will fight over who will lead and why,,,
 
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America and their brave allies gave enough lives, limbs, blood and treasure in Iraq. Eight years was spent training Iraqis to defend themselves. Everything was given to them to have a democracy. If they can't stand up and fight against some militants, then that is their problem, not ours.
 
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What are the people in Mosul saying ?


most said the militants in Mosul had not terrorized the population and were keeping a low profile, with a small number of men in black masks staffing checkpoints.

“We are afraid it will be the same situation as in Falluja and Ramadi,” said a municipal worker who gave his name only as Abu Mohammed, for fear of losing his job. He was referring to the two cities in Anbar that have borne the brunt of government airstrikes, which have killed hundreds of civilians.

A woman nearby, asked if the militants were harming people, waved her hands in the air and said: “No, no, no. On the contrary, they are welcoming the people.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/w...oup-swarmed-the-city.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0


compare that with the previous takeover


The documents — many marked secret — form part of the military’s internal investigation, and confirm much of what happened at Haditha, a Euphrates River town where Marines killed 24 Iraqis, including a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair, women and children, some just toddlers.

Iraqi civilians were being killed all the time. Maj. Gen. Steve Johnson, the commander of American forces in Anbar, in his own testimony, described it as “a cost of doing business.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/w...ws-found-in-iraq-junkyard.html?pagewanted=all



 
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America and their brave allies gave enough lives, limbs, blood and treasure in Iraq. Eight years was spent training Iraqis to defend themselves. (Everything was given to them to have a democracy) If they can't stand up and fight against some militants, then that is their problem, not ours.
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From watching them(Muslims) they view a "democracy" or any other form of government other than a theocracy(ruled by sharia law) as unacceptable. So they will disregard the government as quickly as possible(neither side wants it,Sunni or Shiite),,to them if they follow the laws of man over the Quran then they will not go to heaven.
 
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What are the people in Mosul saying ?


most said the militants in Mosul had not terrorized the population and were keeping a low profile, with a small number of men in black masks staffing checkpoints.

“We are afraid it will be the same situation as in Falluja and Ramadi,” said a municipal worker who gave his name only as Abu Mohammed, for fear of losing his job. He was referring to the two cities in Anbar that have borne the brunt of government airstrikes, which have killed hundreds of civilians.

A woman nearby, asked if the militants were harming people, waved her hands in the air and said: “No, no, no. On the contrary, they are welcoming the people.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/w...oup-swarmed-the-city.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0


compare that with the previous takeover


The documents — many marked secret — form part of the military’s internal investigation, and confirm much of what happened at Haditha, a Euphrates River town where Marines killed 24 Iraqis, including a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair, women and children, some just toddlers.

Iraqi civilians were being killed all the time. Maj. Gen. Steve Johnson, the commander of American forces in Anbar, in his own testimony, described it as “a cost of doing business.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/w...ws-found-in-iraq-junkyard.html?pagewanted=all
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yes as a whole we look at the middle east and cannot imagine why they would not want to be a free democracy like we do. To them a democracy is the way they are forced to live after a war.
 
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No. These half comitted wars we get into since WWII end up making things worse. Either go all the way or not at all.
 
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No. These half comitted wars we get into since WWII end up making things worse. Either go all the way or not at all.
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yes!,,I am christian so I support Christianity,they the Sunnis and Shiites are Muslim(but i have to understand what they think to make a decision as to what to do in an environment of war),,,"go all the way or not at all",,would mean if the western world wants them to be democratic then the only real way that will work is to "rearrange the stars on the u.s. flag and make room for 2 more",,,then Afghanistan becomes the 51's state and Iraq becomes the 52nd state of the united states.,,,,,,,,,,,,,"THAT WOULD BE THE FATAL MISTAKE,IF WE DID THAT THEN THE U.S. WOULD BE 50% MUSLIM",,,,in a democracy it is ruled by the will of the people and that is decided by vote,,so as soon as they the "TWO NEW STATES" became voters they would nominate and elect a "MUSLIM PRESIDENT,,AND THEN PASS SHARIA LAW",,,,so what to do?,,,we should let them settle who will rule and pull out of their nation(so it doesn't become involved with ours) "this is the exact way sharia law is being implemented in the U.K. at this time.,,,,
so the not at all approach I think is best",,,
 
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yes!,,I am christian so I support Christianity,they the Sunnis and Shiites are Muslim(but i have to understand what they think to make a decision as to what to do in an environment of war),,,"go all the way or not at all",,would mean if the western world wants them to be democratic then the only real way that will work is to "rearrange the stars on the u.s. flag and make room for 2 more",,,then Afghanistan becomes the 51's state and Iraq becomes the 52nd state of the united states.,,,,,,,,,,,,,"THAT WOULD BE THE FATAL MISTAKE,IF WE DID THAT THEN THE U.S. WOULD BE 50% MUSLIM",,,,in a democracy it is ruled by the will of the people and that is decided by vote,,so as soon as they the "TWO NEW STATES" became voters they would nominate and elect a "MUSLIM PRESIDENT,,AND THEN PASS SHARIA LAW",,,,so what to do?,,,we should let them settle who will rule and pull out of their nation(so it doesn't become involved with ours) "this is the exact way sharia law is being implemented in the U.K. at this time.,,,,
so the not at all approach I think is best",,,
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W. Germany or Japan did not become the 49th State.
 
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yes as a whole we look at the middle east and cannot imagine why they would not want to be a free democracy like we do. To them a democracy is the way they are forced to live after a war.
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The restaurant chain McDonald’s and the military aircraft manufacturer McDonnell-Douglas have come to represent, respectively, two devices that are used for ensuring American global reach. You either accept one or we'll send the other.
 
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W. Germany or Japan did not become the 49th State.
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maybe I worded this poorly(I don't believe we should make them the 51st and 52nd state),that would be a mistake I think,,I think the "not at all approach is the best",,so we should do something to protect our nations from "terrorism",but (not) by conquering nations. There will be a civil war between the people in Iraq and probably Afghanistan over which will rule and it's probably going to be bloody,but if we interfere then all we will do is postpone it until the next time we think we can pull out(then it will explode again),,,thats why I say "the not at all approach",we cant help them decide their religion
 
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The restaurant chain McDonald’s and the military aircraft manufacturer McDonnell-Douglas have come to represent, respectively, two devices that are used for ensuring American global reach. You either accept one or we'll send the other.
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I did eat at a McDonald restaurant once in Seabrook Texas,,,
 
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this was just updated 5 minutes ago(my time),,I think 2 hrs(your time),,, Official: Iran sends forces to Iraq as ISIS militants press forward - CNN.com ,,so Iran(93% Shiite) sent elite troops to help the Iraq gov. Against the "SUNNI,ISIS",,,so it has begun "U.S. BETTER PULL ALL TROOPS OUT NOW!",,,,
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well what a difference a day makes first it yes you did then no we didn't,,, ISIS militants still pressing forward in Iraq - CNN.com who do we trust? As jihadists take aim at Baghdad, Iran steps in to help historical foe | Fox News ,,,,," just when we were getting our minds ready for Iran to bring ww2 tanks into the war,,"
 
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No. These half comitted wars we get into since WWII end up making things worse. Either go all the way or not at all.
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^This. Essentially what we have been doing is going after other countries' street gangs. If the U.S. was going to go to war with countries in the Middle East then it should have just sucked it up and gone to war with them. You can't just sit and chill as an invading force in someone else's country without angering the citizens.

It's the equivalent of the KKK/Bloods/Crips bombing China and in return, China chills in Texas. IMAGINE! China Invades America! - YouTube

You tell the citizens of a country/city to get out of dodge before you trample over them, then you trample over the ENTIRE COUNTRY. That is the only way war can work "successfully"

It's the only thing that I would expect China or Russia to do if they decided to invade the U.S. . None of this "specific targeting" stuff.
 
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In the early years of g.bush jr. he invited Vladamir Putin to his ranch in Crawford Texas. After their visit they went to a public appearance at the high school there to answer questions for the press(ask via the high school students),,Putin laughed at the well thought out nature of the questions ask by such young students. One of the questions ask was about the importance of "Texas",Putin grinned and shook his head and said Russia and the former soviet union have long understood the strategic importance of Texas.

That is it is well known that the gulf of Mexico area is a horseshoe shape so in defense if the u.s. built many naval bases inside of the gulf of Mexico and war broke out then the attacker would move their vessels from the tip of Florida along and down to the Venezuelan coast,then all ships inside the gulf of Mexico would be trapped. The issue then would be a battle to control the Caribbeans ect. to either trap or rescue those ships.

In the black sea the standing order for all naval vessels is to immediately set to open sea in the event of war,this is where they learned this from was in defense of their own fleet in the Ukraine area(which is why it is important to them now). so in planning of the defense of their own fleet in the black sea they understood the Achilles heel of an invasion of the u.s. is the gulf coast of Texas,that is if the invasion began in Texas and the assault penetrated to Oklahoma or further and an assault was made up north and met up with the forces from the Texas assault they could then be resupplied.

The theory was that to defend the gulf of Mexico the u.s. would then have to move vessels down the east coast to the Caribbeans,but this would leave the east coast weakened and the west coast fleet would need travel around south America to become involved. As time went on and the cold war ended technology advanced this is "old school thinking",but to this day there are only a few major navel bases inside the gulf of Mexico. The same appertains to the black sea it could be a bottle neck for the ships inside it in a time of war but being land locked from other sides Russia would be defended differently on their other borders. Most did not find his comments fascinating,I on the other hand thought "wow the soviets were always planning on driving tanks right by my front door",,,,,I had thought that from r.o.t.c.,and navy training and just reason past that point "IT JUST FELT ODD TO HEAR PUTIN SAY IT WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN",,,
 
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