Oh, we are all wrong, it's just that some are more wronger than others-1984 LOL
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Oh, we are all wrong, it's just that some are more wronger than others-1984 LOL
That is why I am always studying.
Yet when it comes to one being justified by faith only, that is not found in the bible.
James 2:24 says: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Faith only says: Ye see then that how by works a man is NOT justified, but is justified by faith only
How can one be wrong going by James 2:24?
How/what basis does Christ use to decide who to put in Him and who not to put in Him?
Isn't the title of the thread : Is justification by faith alone? Post #82 - Lots of verses say we are justified by faith . . .
From the passenger terminal-faith
From the airline list-if their names have been written in beforehand.
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eternally-gratefull
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No. So why do you add works to faith??
The work of getting on the plane did not MAKE FAITH, it was a RESULT OF FAITH.
What exactly is believing or not believing a plane can get you from point A to point B suppose to be an analogy of?
Is the plane the "vehicle" that gets you to salvation? If that's the case, then not doing the work of getting on the plane will leave one lost.[/quote]
And why did you not do the work. YOU DID NOT HAVE FAITH.
Can one be saved apart from faith?? NO! We are saved BY FAITH, Thus FAITH must become real (alive) BEFORE one can be saved.
In the analogy, The moment you HAD FAITH, you were saved, The work of getting on the plane was a RESULT of your faith.
it was not your work which saved you, it was YOUR FAITH.
Your anology is faulty for many reasons.
The question is do you have faith in the plane. THATS IT.
1. If you have faith you will go
2. If you do not have faith you will not.
Why will you not?
You have faith in self. Your have more faith in your belief that the plane will not make it than the in the plane itself getting you there. (it does not matter if the plane can do it or not. What matters is the fact you decided you are correct in your faith that the plane will not do what it promises to do)
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eternally-gratefull
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1. You do not know what faith is
2. You do not understand what the word dead means.
That is why you will never understand the gospel of CHrist, and What James is really saying.
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eternally-gratefull
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I have been shown to be wrong many times in my life.. I always look with an open mind. We all should or we will always look at our belief to interpret scripture. And not use scripture to form our faith.
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eternally-gratefull
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why would you take a ticket you had no intention of using?
this does not make sense. (remember what the destination is. It is not just a place we may or may not want to go)
See heres the thing. Works are a part of your faith, thats all. That is what I've learned after awhile of studying into this myself. So basically you're both correct in a way. You are saved by Grace through Faith as is stated in Ephesians, but you are correct by arguing that works are required as well.
Also I appreciate you humbleness it's good to see.
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2Thewaters
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Faith is believing enough to do the bible.
without doing the bible there is no true faith
that is definition
Who had faith
Abraham or Sarah?
without doing the bible there is no true faith
that is definition
Who had faith
Abraham or Sarah?
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2Thewaters
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Abraham had enough faith not to tell Sarah where he was going with Isaac for he knew Sarah had not faith and she would have stopped him.
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2Thewaters
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do you have faith?
how do you know?
14 Dear brothers and sisters, what's the use of saying you have faith if you don't prove it by your actions? That kind of faith can't save anyone. 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who needs food or clothing, 16 and you say, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat well" -- but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? 17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all -- it is dead and useless. 18 Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." I say, "I can't see your faith if you don't have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds." 19 Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror! 20 Fool! When will you ever learn that faith that does not result in good deeds is useless? 21 Don't you remember that our ancestor Abraham was declared right with God because of what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see, he was trusting God so much that he was willing to do whatever God told him to do. His faith was made complete by what he did -- by his actions. 23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous." He was even called "the friend of God." 24 So you see, we are made right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. 25 Rahab the prostitute is another example of this. She was made right with God by her actions -- when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. 26Just as the body is dead without a spirit, so also faith is dead without good deeds.
Do you think Abraham went to sacrifice his son to earn salvation?
of course not
do you think real bible christians keep the Sabbath to earn salvation?
of course not
but the enemy twists any good life into a wrong motifve.
Works are not for salvation
they are the evidence of the TRUE holy spirit
those not keeping the commandments
just do not have the true spirit working in them true faith
yet
with prayer they will'without prayer they wont
depends on your works ...Christ works them not you
how do you know?
14 Dear brothers and sisters, what's the use of saying you have faith if you don't prove it by your actions? That kind of faith can't save anyone. 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who needs food or clothing, 16 and you say, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat well" -- but then you don't give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? 17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all -- it is dead and useless. 18 Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." I say, "I can't see your faith if you don't have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds." 19 Do you still think it's enough just to believe that there is one God? Well, even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror! 20 Fool! When will you ever learn that faith that does not result in good deeds is useless? 21 Don't you remember that our ancestor Abraham was declared right with God because of what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see, he was trusting God so much that he was willing to do whatever God told him to do. His faith was made complete by what he did -- by his actions. 23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: "Abraham believed God, so God declared him to be righteous." He was even called "the friend of God." 24 So you see, we are made right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. 25 Rahab the prostitute is another example of this. She was made right with God by her actions -- when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. 26Just as the body is dead without a spirit, so also faith is dead without good deeds.
Do you think Abraham went to sacrifice his son to earn salvation?
of course not
do you think real bible christians keep the Sabbath to earn salvation?
of course not
but the enemy twists any good life into a wrong motifve.
Works are not for salvation
they are the evidence of the TRUE holy spirit
those not keeping the commandments
just do not have the true spirit working in them true faith
yet
with prayer they will'without prayer they wont
depends on your works ...Christ works them not you
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2Thewaters
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Abraham was declared right with God because of what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see, he was trusting God so much that he was willing to do whatever God told him to do. His faith was made complete by what he did -- by his actions.
and when we are willing to do whatever is in the bible
even keep the day the bible tells us to keep
then that is real faith.
and when we are willing to do whatever is in the bible
even keep the day the bible tells us to keep
then that is real faith.
It's not possible both position can be correct, they are polar opposites.
James said works justifies and faith only says works do not justify. One position must be wrong.
The point was that free gifts (ticket) comes with conditions (packing & going to board plane) and working to meet the conditions earns nothing.
1) faith is a work, 1 Thess 1:3; Mk 2:1-5
2) faith with no works (faith only) is dead, James 2:20