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So in order to defend the false man-made teaching of faith only, you have only been able to;
1) rewriting James 2:24
2) present false arguments about your opponents.
Above we can add #3. You are purposely not wanting to understand that free gifts do come with conditions and working to meet those conditions do not earn the free gift already offered. The reason you refuse to understand this simple concept for it kills your theology.
Again, someone can give me out of their good grace, I did not hing to earn it, a plane ticket to Hawaii. Yet if I do nothing (faith only) I will never get to Hawaii. I must do the work of going and boarding the plane. That work did not earn me the ticket but is a necessary conditions for me to get to Hawaii. The only issue is for you to explain why do you refuse to understand such a simple idea?
Here is the issue in a nut shell:
God never gave man a free ticket to heaven with that free ticket being completely unconditional. This is where you analogy does not fit bible teaching. The free ticket came with the conditions of believing, repenting confessing and being baptized. Just like the work of going and boarding the plane did not earn the free ticket to Hawaii, the works of believing, repenting, confessing and submitting to baptism do not earn the free ticket to salvation.
So you are down to arguing that if the free ticket God gave comes WITHOUT THE CONDITIONS of belief, repentance, confession and baptism, that means your are implying that the unbeliever, the impenitent, the denier of Christ, the one lost in his unremitted sins is saved. Which is completely unbiblical.
But to get around having this problem you must dig further down into the unbiblical hole you are already in by suggesting;
1) belief, repentance, confession and submitting to baptism are not works, when they are
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2) claim God does these works for man when He does not for God has told man to do these works. Saying God must do these works for man puts God in a position of fault and blame. If God does not do the work of believing, repenting, confessing submitting to baptism for me therefore I am lost and it is all God's fault for His failure to do these works for me. Also the fact, such as believing, is commanded to man, the imperative implies MAN has both the ability and responsibility to obey God by doing the work of believing God has given man to do.
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3) you must keep scratching around to find some other way to get around your problem in making God's ticket to salvation unconditional.
Paul said we are justified by faith APART from works. Many many times Paul said we are justified by faith and not one time did Paul add works for our justification as a matter of fact in Galatians he condemn those that did. Paul was speaking of faith that brings us into right relation with God and receives the Holy Spirit as a result of believing the Gospel. (Gal 3:2).
On the other hand James mentions nothing about faith that receives the free gift of salvation including conversion/regeneration. His issue is the difference between dead faith and living faith; between one who simply 'professes' and one who genuinely 'possesses'. Put in other terms can a good tree bring forth bad fruit?
I won't deny that God continually declares us righteous (justifies)on works the believer does (in faith) as he trusts God as recorded in Heb 11 but to put our acts of faith in the category of salvation/initial justification is a bit over the top.
On the other hand James mentions nothing about faith that receives the free gift of salvation including conversion/regeneration. His issue is the difference between dead faith and living faith; between one who simply 'professes' and one who genuinely 'possesses'. Put in other terms can a good tree bring forth bad fruit?
I won't deny that God continually declares us righteous (justifies)on works the believer does (in faith) as he trusts God as recorded in Heb 11 but to put our acts of faith in the category of salvation/initial justification is a bit over the top.
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Belief is a work of God that God has given man to do.
In Jn 6:27 Jesus plainly said to LABOUR for the meat that endures to everlasting life. No faith only here at all.
Jn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?hat
The people asked what work THEY are to do and not what work God would do for them.
When they asked Jesus what shall WE DO, that WE WORK the works of God:
Jesus gave them the work of believing to do. You would have answered completely opposite to what Jesus said by telling them "do nothing".
If God has to do the work of believing for man, then all those lost in unbelief are so due to GOD'S FAILURE to do this work for them.
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1. A gift is unconditional, it is paid in full by the giver, a reward is conditional, it must be earned (paid for) by you.
2. justification is a gift. thus it is unconditional (God paid for it with his own blood). If it is conditional. it is not a gift, but a reward. Rom 4 says if Abraham was justified by works, he would earn a reward, not a gift.
end of story. james does not support your theory, you are taking him out of context, and twisting his words.
2. justification is a gift. thus it is unconditional (God paid for it with his own blood). If it is conditional. it is not a gift, but a reward. Rom 4 says if Abraham was justified by works, he would earn a reward, not a gift.
end of story. james does not support your theory, you are taking him out of context, and twisting his words.
The gospel plainly teaches one must do obedient works to be saved, Mt 7:21; 1 Jn 3:7,10; 1 Jn 2:17; Jn 3:21 among a whole host of other verse that speak of DOING to be saved.
By falsely proclaiming man as no works > no work of believing, repenting, confessing and submitting to baptism, then you are again implying the unbeliever, the impenitent, the denier of Christ,the one lost in his sins is saved.
When Paul said justified by faith apart from works, the type of works Paul is talking about are works of merit, NOT obedient works.
All works are not the same, the bible speaks of different types of works and Paul was not excluding ALL TYPES of works, but works of merit. IF Paul was excluding ALL TYPES of works then he is contradicting himself in Rom 4:5 and Romans chapter 6 for in these context Paul says obedient works are necessary to being saved.
James 2:24 is just as much truth and inspired of God as anything Paul wrote. Since it completely refutes the man-made teaching of faith only, it often gets viciously attacked, as by Martin Luther and other men that cling to man-made teachings.
You have yet to show us where God offered His free gift of salvation UNCONDITIONALLY.
1) is a complete ASSUMPTION made by you. Nowhere is it written that all free gifts must be unconditional.
2) is a continuation of the assumption you made in #1. You still refuse to see that the type of work Paul has under consideration in Rom 4:4,5 are works of merit not obedient works.
James 2:24 - end of story.
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
It is faith only proponents that twist this verse to read: by works a man is NOT justified but is justified by faith only.
Yes, they asked what shall WE DO that WE WORK the work of God. They did NOT ask what work God would do for them as you have twisted the passage to say.
Again, if your twisting of the verse were correct, then God is to be blamed for all the lost unbelievers for His failure to do the work of believing for them.
And why would believing be something commanded to man to do if God is the one to do that work for man?
Jesus settled the issue in v27 when He said to LABOUR for the meat that endures unto everlasting life.
So the idea that the gospel does not require works is the false position.
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The gospel plainly teaches one must do obedient works to be saved, Mt 7:21; 1 Jn 3:7,10; 1 Jn 2:17; Jn 3:21 among a whole host of other verse that speak of DOING to be saved.
By falsely proclaiming man as no works > no work of believing, repenting, confessing and submitting to baptism,
then you are again implying the unbeliever, the impenitent, the denier of Christ,the one lost in his sins is saved.
By falsely proclaiming man as no works > no work of believing, repenting, confessing and submitting to baptism,
Here is the difference between you and me.
1 You - Earn your salvation by your many deeds, yet still can be lost (not a child of God, whose fathers loves him anyway)
2. Me, Truly repented. Agree with God that I can not save myself. I am not worthy of salvation, I will NEVER be worthy of salvation no matter how hard I try. Adopted by God. Now his son. Work hard to please him out of gratitude for what he has given me. My works glorify God. Because they are done by his power which he GAVE ME.
have fun with all your works.. Don't get to upset if people call you a pharisee. they thought the same way you did.
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romans 4 is as much word. as is eph 2: 8-9, romans 3: 24, 28, romans 5: 1, 9, rom 8: 30. 1 cor 6: 11, titus 3: 5-7, all of which say justification/salvation is a gift, apart from works.
sorry a few verses in james taken out of context do not overturn these many (I only posted a few) passages which say the opposite.
finally.
you do not even know what a gift is. If a gift is conditional, it is NOT A GIFT. so i do not have to prove to you where it says that (even though the term grace means unearned) the word itself proves it.
i will say one thing, I pray you do not give your loved ones gifts. or they at least know your trying to pay them off for a work to earn it, and if they do not do those works, you will take that gift back. Your a deciever!
sorry a few verses in james taken out of context do not overturn these many (I only posted a few) passages which say the opposite.
finally.
you do not even know what a gift is. If a gift is conditional, it is NOT A GIFT. so i do not have to prove to you where it says that (even though the term grace means unearned) the word itself proves it.
i will say one thing, I pray you do not give your loved ones gifts. or they at least know your trying to pay them off for a work to earn it, and if they do not do those works, you will take that gift back. Your a deciever!
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lol
You do not even get the context.
Your continued attempt to do as the jews and work to earn salvation PROVES how much labor one must do to find that narrow gate that leads to eternal life.
Jesus said.
Eat this food, you will never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, Never die, have eternal life, be risen by him on the last day.
Unlike the manna in the dessert, which they had to eat avery day. This food ENDURES FOREVER. (meaning you eat it once and its saving power NEVER FADES AWAY)
this passage proves
1. One can not work to enter
2. Once someone is saved by eating the food GOD GAVE US, we are saved forever, nothing can take that salvation away.
This whole passage DESTROYS your works based Gospel, and lake of faith in God..
Next!!!!
You do not even get the context.
Your continued attempt to do as the jews and work to earn salvation PROVES how much labor one must do to find that narrow gate that leads to eternal life.
Jesus said.
Eat this food, you will never hunger, never thirst, Live forever, Never die, have eternal life, be risen by him on the last day.
Unlike the manna in the dessert, which they had to eat avery day. This food ENDURES FOREVER. (meaning you eat it once and its saving power NEVER FADES AWAY)
this passage proves
1. One can not work to enter
2. Once someone is saved by eating the food GOD GAVE US, we are saved forever, nothing can take that salvation away.
This whole passage DESTROYS your works based Gospel, and lake of faith in God..
Next!!!!