There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

[newbirth]

Biblical literature and mathmatics both proclaim that God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are 2 separate beings. When ever you put an "and" between 2 names, by literary definition it requires that there are 2 distinct people behind each name. Hence, when Paul is saying hello to the saints, he often opens his epistle by saying grace be with you from God the Father "and" from our Lord Jesus Christ. If they were the same being he would have used different literary verbiage, something like grace be unto you from God. Thats the Biblical literature part.

In mathmatics, when you use "and" it means to "add". For example: there is 1 apple on the table "and" 1 apple on the floor. How many total apples are there? The key word is "and". In mathmatics, the "and" requires you to "add" the 1 apple on the table with the 1 apple on the floor to get the right answer, which is 2 apples. If you were to "multiply" the 1 apple on the table with the 1 apple on the floor your answer would be 1 apple, which is the wrong answer. If you were to "divide" you would get 1, which is the wrong answer. If you were to subtract you would get 0, which is the wrong answer. That is the math part.

So when you read the beginning of the epistles, think about it again and believe in the Bible as it is written, because it does speaks the truth.

I did not see a need to follow up seeing the discussion was about trinity but let it be clear there is only one God...
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:24-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


hence
[h=3]John 1:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[newbirth]

Biblical literature and mathmatics both proclaim that God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are 2 separate beings. When ever you put an "and" between 2 names, by literary definition it requires that there are 2 distinct people behind each name. Hence, when Paul is saying hello to the saints, he often opens his epistle by saying grace be with you from God the Father "and" from our Lord Jesus Christ. If they were the same being he would have used different literary verbiage, something like grace be unto you from God. Thats the Biblical literature part.

In mathmatics, when you use "and" it means to "add". For example: there is 1 apple on the table "and" 1 apple on the floor. How many total apples are there? The key word is "and". In mathmatics, the "and" requires you to "add" the 1 apple on the table with the 1 apple on the floor to get the right answer, which is 2 apples. If you were to "multiply" the 1 apple on the table with the 1 apple on the floor your answer would be 1 apple, which is the wrong answer. If you were to "divide" you would get 1, which is the wrong answer. If you were to subtract you would get 0, which is the wrong answer. That is the math part.

So when you read the beginning of the epistles, think about it again and believe in the Bible as it is written, because it does speaks the truth.

I did not see a need to follow up seeing the discussion was about trinity but let it be clear there is only one God...
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


hence
John 1:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

 

[StoneThrower]

One God the father and one Lord Jesus Christ no trinity

Then my friend, and I dont mean this to be cruel but you have either been decieved by false teaching or dont know your Bible.
Your comment removes the Holy Spirit from the equation. The word trinity may not be there, but you see the three working together and in the same place at the same time. Seriously if you take your faith seriously, get out of the chat room and in your Bible, as your eternity is at stake!

 

[StoneThrower]

How come none of the writers of the epistles recognise the holy spirit as God in their introduction check for yourself
Galatians 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Ephesians 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Colossians 1

King James Version (KJV)

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

Colossians 1:15-19

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


All of creation no trinity

So your making an argument from silence? Here is a question for you which logical falise did you just commit? Do you deny the Holy Spirit totally? How do you think Christ preformed miricles durning his earthly ministery.
Romas was written by Paul right
Romans 1:19, 20 states…

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse.”​

Acts was written by Luke correct?
Acts 17:29 states…

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”​

Colossians 2:9…​

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.”

Ok so here is one that names all three John was an apostle right?
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus”
From Luke
The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”
Did you ever read those verse in your Bible?

Matthew was an apsotle correct?
​

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of ​

Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible.​

​

1. God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17... "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
   ​
2. Jesus SAID in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one."
   ​

the Holy Ghost.

1. The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2... "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them." ​

" —Matthew 28:19,20
Each Person of the Godhead was Operative in the Old Testament.

1. The Father — Isaiah 64:8, “But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”
   ​
2. Jesus — 1st Corinthians 10:1-4, 9, “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”
   ​
3. The Holy Ghost — Hebrews 3:7-11, “Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved ME, and saw MY WORKS forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.)”
   From the very first chapter in the Bible, God makes it known that He consists of more than one Person--
   
   Genesis 1:26-27, “And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him.”​

​

 

[StoneThrower]

Do you believe in eternal sonship i.e. He is always the Son even before the beginning of time?

Yes I absouetly do there is no way around it!
The sons of God is used in many ways
But God only ever reffered to Jesus and Twice publically as his beloved son.

God is spirit and so is the Holy Spirit but they are refered to as persons (Theologically), because they speak and they do things. They have differnt distinct roles. The Bible use polymorphism reffering to Gods hands but we know a spirit dosent have hands. I hope that helps!

 

[StoneThrower]

So your making an argument from silence? Here is a question for you which logical falise did you just commit? Do you deny the Holy Spirit totally? How do you think Christ preformed miricles durning his earthly ministery.
Romas was written by Paul right
Romans 1:19, 20 states…

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse.”​

Acts was written by Luke correct?
Acts 17:29 states…

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”​

Colossians 2:9…​

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.”

Ok so here is one that names all three John was an apostle right?
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus”
From Luke
The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”
Did you ever read those verse in your Bible?

Matthew was an apsotle correct?
​

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of ​

Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible.​

1. God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17... "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
   ​
2. Jesus SAID in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one."
   ​

the Holy Ghost.

1. The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2... "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them." ​

" —Matthew 28:19,20
Each Person of the Godhead was Operative in the Old Testament.

1. The Father — Isaiah 64:8, “But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”
   ​
2. Jesus — 1st Corinthians 10:1-4, 9, “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”
   ​
3. The Holy Ghost — Hebrews 3:7-11, “Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved ME, and saw MY WORKS forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.)”
   From the very first chapter in the Bible, God makes it known that He consists of more than one Person--
   
   Genesis 1:26-27, “And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him.”​

​

Sorry for the spelling errors, I wasnt able to fix them by editing the post.

 

[newbirth]

So your making an argument from silence? Here is a question for you which logical falise did you just commit? Do you deny the Holy Spirit totally? How do you think Christ preformed miricles durning his earthly ministery.

I am telling you holy spirit is not a God
Romas was written by Paul right

Romans 1:19, 20 states…

“Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are without excuse.”​

Acts was written by Luke correct?
Acts 17:29 states…

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the GODHEAD is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”​

Colossians 2:9…​

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.”
​

Are you concluding Godhead means trinity?

Ok so here is one that names all three John was an apostle right?

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus”

Wikipedia, article “Comma Johanneum”.google this

From Luke

The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”
Did you ever read those verse in your Bible?

Holy ghost is the spirit of God

• Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.(same spirit Right?)
  

Matthew was an apsotle correct?
​

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of ​

Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible.​

1. God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17... "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
   ​
2. Jesus SAID in John 10:30, "I and my Father are one."
   ​

the Holy Ghost.

1. The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2... "Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them." ​

" —Matthew 28:19,20
Each Person of the Godhead was Operative in the Old Testament.

1. The Father — Isaiah 64:8, “But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.”
   ​
2. Jesus — 1st Corinthians 10:1-4, 9, “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”
   ​
3. The Holy Ghost — Hebrews 3:7-11, “Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved ME, and saw MY WORKS forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.)”
   From the very first chapter in the Bible, God makes it known that He consists of more than one Person--
   
   Genesis 1:26-27, “And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him.”​

​

You believe in the trinity because you want to believe in it There is one God the Word of God was made flesh, was given all power and authority and when he has brought all things under subjection in him he subdues himself under the Father
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:25-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:25-28[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

By the grace of God, you should be able to pick up something from the scriptures. It says nothing about trinity

 

[TrainforGodliness]

I am not a Greek scholar of any reputation, but one passage has played an especially important role in solidifying my belief that Jesus is God, even YHWH- 1 Peter 3:14-15, which is a quotation from Isaiah 8:12-13. Like the other authors of the NT texts, when Peter quotes or alludes to Hebrew scripture he actually does so from the GREEK translation of the Hebrew scripture, the Septuagint (or LXX). Here is a comparison of 1 Peter 3:14-15 and Isaiah 8:12-13 (from the LXX)

1 Peter 3:14-15
14 But even if you do suffer for doing what is right, you are blessed. Do not fear what they fear, and do not be intimidated, 15 but in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you

τὸν δὲ φόβον αὐτῶν μὴ φοβηθῆτε μηδὲ ταραχθῆτε, [SUP]15 [/SUP]κύριον δὲ τὸν Χριστὸν ἁγιάσατε ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν

Isaiah 8:12-13
12 Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what it fears, or be in dread. 13 But the Lord of hosts, him you shall regard as holy; let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

τον δε φόβον αυτού ου μη φοβηθήτε ουδε μη ταραχθήτε, [SUP]13[/SUP]τον κύριον των δυνάμεων αυτόν αγιάσατε

What is interesting about Peter’s quotation is that he follows Isaiah 8:12-13 very closely except for one major change: the “τον κύριον… αυτόν” (the Lord Himself) from Isaiah becomes “κύριον δὲ τὸν Χριστὸν” (the Lord but Christ, ie, the Lord who is Christ) in 1 Peter. Now I’m not a fan of “proof-texting” myself and don’t believe that any single verse “proves” that Jesus is God, co-eternal, separate but the same, etc etc. For me though, this is one of the unshakeable few verses in the NT that I simply could not bend or break to fit any conclusion other than the idea that YHWH and Christ are at once the same and different (and oh, did I try!). According to Peter, who was as close to Jesus as any other human being and whom Paul acknowledge as a leader of the early church, Christ is YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

My post has already grown longer than I intended, so I'll leave you all with that for now.

 

[newbirth]

Then my friend, and I dont mean this to be cruel but you have either been decieved by false teaching or dont know your Bible.
Your comment removes the Holy Spirit from the equation. The word trinity may not be there, but you see the three working together and in the same place at the same time. Seriously if you take your faith seriously, get out of the chat room and in your Bible, as your eternity is at stake!

One cannot remove the holy spirit from anywhere same as one cannot put the holy spirit in a trinity.

[h=3]2 John 1:9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

 

[johnluke]

Originally posted by newbirth
I did not see a need to follow up seeing the discussion was about trinity but let it be clear there is only one God...

When you say "let it be clear there is only one God", are you saying that God the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all in 1 being?

If you say yes to the above question, just to make it clear to me, if you were to look upon the Trinity, would you see 1 being standing in front of you, or would you see 3 beings standing in front of you?

 

[johnluke]

Originally posted by StoneThrower
The Bible use polymorphism reffering to Gods hands but we know a spirit dosent have hands. I hope that helps!

The scriptures reveal to us that God created man in his own image and likeness. If man is created in God's image, then God looks like man. Man has hands, then so does God.

How do you know so profoundly that a spirit doesn't have hands?

 

[newbirth]

When you say "let it be clear there is only one God", are you saying that God the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all in 1 being?

If you say yes to the above question, just to make it clear to me, if you were to look upon the Trinity, would you see 1 being standing in front of you, or would you see 3 beings standing in front of you?

I make no assumptions the word is pretty clear to me...
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:27-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

If you don't like KJV try NIV

[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:27-28[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.


I see no trinity here do you?

[SUP]

17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Kerry]

Then please explain when Jesus was baptized, The Holy Spirit descended in the form of a dove and a voice spoke from heaven and said this is my son in whom I am well pleased.

Here we have 3 Distinct entities. The Voice ( the Father) the dove ( the Holy Spirit) Jesus ( the Son )

 

[Bowman]

Re: Deal with it...

Just one where the spirit is worshipped

και επεσαν οι πρεσβυτεροι οι εικοσι τεσσαρες και τα τεσσαρα ζωα και προσεκυνησαν τω θεω τω καθημενω επι τω θρονω λεγοντες αμην αλληλουια

 

[StoneThrower]

The scriptures reveal to us that God created man in his own image and likeness. If man is created in God's image, then God looks like man. Man has hands, then so does God.

How do you know so profoundly that a spirit doesn't have hands?

Because spirits are spirits, spirits don't have physical body parts. Christ preincarnate manifested himself as a human, but spirits have indwelt humans, but they are not humans. If a regular spirit had a body then it could create havoc without possessing a human body.

 

[newbirth]

Re: Deal with it...

και επεσαν οι πρεσβυτεροι οι εικοσι τεσσαρες και τα τεσσαρα ζωα και προσεκυνησαν τω θεω τω καθημενω επι τω θρονω λεγοντες αμην αλληλουια

what does this prove ...you know Greek ...English please and show some love...
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

 

[homwardbound]

Honestly I don't understand what you are saying, (what do you mean by that in red)I have no hidden saying as a matter of fact I have no sayings just the pure word...One God the father and one Lord Jesus Christ no trinity....

John 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1= one period, yet many

 

[newbirth]

John 17:21 that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1= one period, yet many

you also said, So there is and there is not a trinity, ... and I say there is no trinity. look at the verse do you see a trinity in there?... as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...you can't play both sides of the fence.

 

[newbirth]

Then please explain when Jesus was baptized, The Holy Spirit descended in the form of a dove and a voice spoke from heaven and said this is my son in whom I am well pleased.

Here we have 3 Distinct entities. The Voice ( the Father) the dove ( the Holy Spirit) Jesus ( the Son )

You are asking the right question but you are putting your own answer...
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Think about it, If Jesus was born God do you think the holy spirit would descend on him when he was baptized God prepared a body for his spirit ( the spirit of truth, the word ) to dwell in.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Phil 2
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[SUP]10 [/SUP]That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



[h=3]Matthew 28:17-19[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:




[h=3]Colossians 2:8-10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

 

[homwardbound]

you also said, So there is and there is not a trinity, ... and I say there is no trinity. look at the verse do you see a trinity in there?... as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee...you can't play both sides of the fence.

Not really what you are up to, yet have a blessed day, you seem to push what you beleive to be, and so for you it is what you believe
Foe as a man thinks so is he in his heart
Tell me this, please, all of us that believe are we saved if we do not agree with what you are saying? Per you