The Fixed Earth

[MahogonySnail]

The point is Cup of Ruin that geostationary satellites are put into space in an orbit that goes around the earth at the same time as the earth spins so that it appears stationary above the surface. If your theory was correct that the earth does not rotate, then geostationary satellites would not work and they'd have figured that out by now when they see that the satellites are not staying still but rotating around the earth which is fixed. Both low and high earth orbit satellites move around the earth in orbit, there's no such thing as a stationary satellite.

Besides, those satellites need to keep moving in orbit anyway to overcome gravity or the attractive force that you attribute to EMF. Either way your view is easily disproven, and it's a load of quackery.

 

[Brackenzee]

Cup, can you please explain to me how a small planet like the Earth can possible sustain the orbit of the sun?

That's like suggesting that an eighty pound ballerina could support the weight of Ayers Rock.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

The point is Cup of Ruin that geostationary satellites are put into space in an orbit that goes around the earth at the same time as the earth spins so that it appears stationary above the surface. If your theory was correct that the earth does not rotate, then geostationary satellites would not work and they'd have figured that out by now when they see that the satellites are not staying still but rotating around the earth which is fixed. Both low and high earth orbit satellites move around the earth in orbit, there's no such thing as a stationary satellite.

Besides, those satellites need to keep moving in orbit anyway to overcome gravity or the attractive force that you attribute to EMF. Either way your view is easily disproven, and it's a load of quackery.

I know snail's do not have a large cranial capacity, but just try and and imagine that there are three types of Satellites, the communication satellites are 10 times higher than space shuttles, the space shuttles and sattelites move because they are powered to move. Communication satellites are called GEOSTATIONARY, it's a big word, do you know what it means? No, obviously not, it means that those satellites do not move in relation to the earth, but the lower level satellites are moving in relation the the earth. When you say both high and low satellites are moving, you are simply avoiding the fact and deluding yourself, because, it is a scientific fact that the high level satellites are not moving in relation to the earth and the low level are!!!!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup, can you please explain to me how a small planet like the Earth can possible sustain the orbit of the sun?

That's like suggesting that an eighty pound ballerina could support the weight of Ayers Rock.

Because the earth is the centre of the universe, not just the sun but all of space and the stars of heaven revolve around the earth.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I know snail's do not have a large cranial capacity, but just try and and imagine that there are three types of Satellites, the communication satellites are 10 times higher than space shuttles, the space shuttles and sattelites move because they are powered to move. Communication satellites are called GEOSTATIONARY, it's a big word, do you know what it means? No, obviously not, it means that those satellites do not move in relation to the earth, but the lower level satellites are moving in relation the the earth. When you say both high and low satellites are moving, you are simply avoiding the fact and deluding yourself, because, it is a scientific fact that the high level satellites are not moving in relation to the earth and the low level are!!!!

I know what geo stationary means, it means stationary with respect to the earth. That does not mean that the satellitse do not move at all as you claim. You naively claimed that geostationary satellites don't move, - but all satellites move because they are all put into orbits. If they aren't in an orbit then they would fall to earth due to gravity, or whatever imaginery force you suppose attracts objects to the earth. In case this is too difficult for you to comprehend - the orbit is such that the satellite appears stationary above the earth, but in fact it is rotating around as the earth rotates. The satellites move because they are put into orbit. If they are put into orbit to rotate around the earth but the earth was fixed, then a geostationary satellite would not be possible, therefore your view that the earth is fixed, is completely disproven. Do you understand? An orbiting satellite, and all geostationary satellites put into orbits that orbit the earth, cannot be geostationary if the earth is not rotating, therefore your claim that the earth is fixed is debunked. And you must be feeling very foolish by now I would imagine.

 

[jcspartan]

This is lies, again, I have never stated that I was British-Israelism.

Cup-of-Ruin I will grant that I am new to this whole idea of Anglo-Saxon's being descended from the lost tribes of Israel. And, so far, you have not declared formal allegiance with the British-Israel World Federation or its regional equivalents. But the linguistic gymnastics you attempted in order to establish a Jewish lineage for any of the Celtic or Germanic tribes puts you at least loosely in a camp dedicated to something akin to British-Israelism that, is at a minimum on the fringe of any accepted historical school of thought, secular or faith based.

There are are real advances in genetics that disprove the theories of people group migration required to enable the claims you are making about the Jewish diaspora. The greater linguistic community has maintained the distinct language groups that make-up Europe for some time not out of some anti-religious fervor but off careful study. It does not accept a Jewish basis for language and cultural development like you suggest. From the stand you have taken in this or other threads I don't think it is that important to you.

For your stubborn adherence to your quixotic beliefs I concede a certain respect.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Do you understand? An orbiting satellite, and all geostationary satellites put into orbits that orbit the earth, cannot be geostationary if the earth is not rotating,

You just said they are not Geostationary, clearly conflicting with the definition of the satellites, 'Me thinks thou protest too much", do you know what a non-geostationary satellite is? It is a satellite that moves in realation to the earth surface, why because they are powered and fueled to do so. Do you know much about how low level satellites operate compared to high level satellites?

 

[MahogonySnail]

You just said they are not Geostationary, clearly conflicting with the definition of the satellites, 'Me thinks thou protest too much", do you know what a non-geostationary satellite is?

Google "geosynchronous orbit" and get back to me. GEO satellites travel in geo orbit. As the word "orbit" implies, is that the satellite revolves around the earth. It is stationary only with respect to a point on the earth - not stationary in general. The reason why it can be in orbit and still appears stationary to the earth (ie is geostationary), is because the earth is rotating.

It is a satellite that moves in realation to the earth surface, why because they are powered and fueled to do so. Do you know much about how low level satellites operate compared to high level satellites?

They are not powered with enough power and fuel to do that. The power and fuel, normally solar power, is to power the systems on board, not maintain travel. They are put into orbit and sustained by their own momentum, thrusters or otherwise are activated if they need to change or correct their orbit, not to keep them moving along. Look up Kepler, and conservation of momentum.

Here's a website that you can read about geostsationary satellitse and their orbits:

http://celestrak.com/columns/v04n07/

 

[MahogonySnail]

In summary, all satellites are moving in orbit, there's no such thing as a stationary satellite as you claimed. But the difference is that Geostationary satellites appear to be stationary w.r.t the earth because their orbit coincides with earth rotation. That's why they're called geo-stationary , geo meaning with respect to the earth. But they most certainly are orbiting and moving at about 7 km /s or whatever it may be, just in a different orbit and rate than low earth satellites.

 

[Ancilla]

Do you think that Sir Isaac Newton cared about what you think, I read the word of God and God is the expert and He along with minds far greater than Newton state that the earth is motionless.

Ahhh... interesting....

So what you're saying is that the Bible is the word of God and God the ultimate expert therefore God put all His expertise into the Bible. Read the last part of that sentence again "God put all His expertise into the Bible" as if there is nothing God knows that's not written in the Bible, or God knowledge is limited to that which is written in the Bible. That of course, would be incorrect because God's knowledge is understanding and limitless and the Bible is limitted to 66 books (more if you're Roman Catholic). The truth, of course, is that if every noteworthy thing that Jesus did was written down there wouldn't be enough paper in the whole world to record it or... I'll have to look up that verse. What if really did include everything that God knows? Well, it would literally fill the universe. Would it have been wiser of God to have written a Bible so long that it would take many of our lifetimes to read just the first chapter? Should the Bible be the only book we read in our lives? Could it be that there are things God wants us to learn that is not in the Bible? About salvation, knowing God, how He wants us to live our lives, no, the Bible has everything we need to know (contrary to what Mormons will tell you), but does it tell us everything God knows? Well if it does, I'm in trouble, because I've read the whole Bible and I'm not mentioned once.

I heard it put this way: there was a father of small children who found out he was dying. He wanted to write letters for his children to tell them everything he wanted them to know but would never be able to tell them as they grew up. He had to make choices about what was important. For example he didn't put the multiplication table in. Why do you think he didn't include it? Do you think that meant he never wanted his children to learn it?

If you can follow my logic that God knows more than that which is written in the Bible, you have to think about what God chose to put in the Bible. We do know that part of His limitless understanding is that an intamate knowledge who the original readers of the Bible. Like, each book is taylored to the target audience. I read Paul's letter to the Corinthians because it contains wisdom God wants me to know, but that doesn't make me one of the Corinthians. So, surely God knows that the world is round (you aren't denying that, are you?), but that's not in the Bible. Why do you think God chose not to include that? If He had stated that, what do you think His reasoning would have been? Just to show those of us who live after we figured out the world is round that God knew the whole time? Is there anything in the Bible that's just there to show off God knowledge?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

In summary, all satellites are moving in orbit, there's no such thing as a stationary satellite as you claimed. But the difference is that Geostationary satellites appear to be stationary w.r.t the earth because their orbit coincides with earth rotation. That's why they're called geo-stationary , geo meaning with respect to the earth. But they most certainly are orbiting and moving at about 7 km /s or whatever it may be, just in a different orbit and rate than low earth satellites.

There are holes in your thought process Snail'

There is a reason why I brought up the components of satellites in comparison to whether they are a high level altitude or a low level altitude.

"Like any other object in low-Earth orbit, a space shuttle must reach speeds of about 17,500 miles per hour (28,000 km per hour) to remain in orbit. The exact speed depends on the space shuttle's orbital altitude, which normally ranges from 190 miles to 330 miles (304 km to 528 km) above sea level, depending on its mission.

Each of the two Solid Rocket Boosters on the Space shuttle carries more than one million pounds of solid propellant. The Space Shuttle's large External Tank is loaded with more than 500,000 gallons of super-cold liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen, which are mixed and burned to form fuel for the orbiter's three main rocket engines." NASA - International Space Program.

Now a discerning and inquiring mind will need to compare that iformation with a high level satellite, with an altitude approx 10 times higher which needs only a small solar panel to power it electrical board! This is because it does not need to be propelled like a low level satellite, because it is non-moving.

 

[Ancilla]

It looks like the earth's not the only thing that can't move

"He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved." -Psalm 62:6

 

[Ancilla]

There are holes in your thought process Snail'

There is a reason why I brought up the components of satellites in comparison to whether they are a high level altitude or a low level altitude.

"Like any other object in low-Earth orbit, a space shuttle must reach speeds of about 17,500 miles per hour (28,000 km per hour) to remain in orbit. The exact speed depends on the space shuttle's orbital altitude, which normally ranges from 190 miles to 330 miles (304 km to 528 km) above sea level, depending on its mission.

Each of the two Solid Rocket Boosters on the Space shuttle carries more than one million pounds of solid propellant. The Space Shuttle's large External Tank is loaded with more than 500,000 gallons of super-cold liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen, which are mixed and burned to form fuel for the orbiter's three main rocket engines." NASA - International Space Program.

Now a discerning and inquiring mind will need to compare that iformation with a high level satellite, with an altitude approx 10 times higher which needs only a small solar panel to power it electrical board! This is because it does not need to be propelled like a low level satellite, because it is non-moving.

Isn't this supposed to be a Bible discussion forum????? Where's the reference to the Bible??????

 

[Brackenzee]

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Because the earth is the centre of the universe, not just the sun but all of space and the stars of heaven revolve around the earth.

That makes even less sense! The entire point of gravitation is that it is a function of mass. Smaller objects orbit around bigger objects. Your nonsense is completely impossible due to a fundamental law of physics! The rest of the universe is far outside the distance required for Earth's gravity to have any noticeable effect. Besides Sol, the nearest star is 4.7 light years away! If you blew a puff of air off the coast of Ireland, would that displaced air have any discernible effect on Mount Rushmore?

The idea that the Earth's gravity can effect stars halfway across the universe is exponentially more absurd.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Isn't this supposed to be a Bible discussion forum????? Where's the reference to the Bible??????

Read through the thread

 

[jcspartan]

That makes even less sense! The entire point of gravitation is that it is a function of mass. Smaller objects orbit around bigger objects. Your nonsense is completely impossible due to a fundamental law of physics! The rest of the universe is far outside the distance required for Earth's gravity to have any noticeable effect. Besides Sol, the nearest star is 4.7 light years away! If you blew a puff of air off the coast of Ireland, would that displaced air have any discernible effect on Mount Rushmore?

The idea that the Earth's gravity can effect stars halfway across the universe is exponentially more absurd.

The satillite in stationary orbit does not fall back to earth while the distant stars are held in orbit?

Mass Selection where one object is acted upon (star) and another (satillite) is not?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

That makes even less sense! The entire point of gravitation is that it is a function of mass. Smaller objects orbit around bigger objects. Your nonsense is completely impossible due to a fundamental law of physics! The rest of the universe is far outside the distance required for Earth's gravity to have any noticeable effect. Besides Sol, the nearest star is 4.7 light years away! If you blew a puff of air off the coast of Ireland, would that displaced air have any discernible effect on Mount Rushmore?

The idea that the Earth's gravity can effect stars halfway across the universe is exponentially more absurd.

Read through the thread for my answer on 'gravity' theory, I have already adressed this point.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

The satillite in stationary orbit does not fall back to earth while the distant stars are held in orbit?

Mass Selection where one object is acted upon (star) and another (satillite) is not?

A picture tells a thousand words, you may notice how star trail are comsistant with my geocentric cosomolgy.

 

[Ancilla]

"The earth is stablished that it cannot be moved" Psalm 93:1

"He...hangeth the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7

Greetings,

I could write down hundreds of quotes from the Bible that state that the earth does not move and that it is the sun that moves. The Bible supports a Geocentric system and not a Heliocentric system.

First of all, I would appreciate if you would write down those hundreds of verses.

Secondly, I see a lot of astrophysics on this thread and only 3 Bible verses: the two above and the one I quoted. You said I should read it all the way through. Well I see entire pages of this 22 page post that don't quote any scripture. If I'm wrong, please show me.

Third, it was really naive of me to expect that you'd answer my questions, eh? I knew that at the time, but I thought I'd through them out anyway.

 

[Ancilla]

Isn't this supposed to be a Bible discussion forum????? Where's the reference to the Bible??????

I meant that there should always be references to the Bible THROUGHOUT the thread, not just at the start. Use the Bible to support your point, not the theories of man.