It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[eternally-gratefull]

You flash your gospel before the eyes of men and God without one supporting scripture...I say to every man obey God for whatever reason and pray that he gives us understanding in his word...
1 Samuel 15:22
And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

So

You have no response to what I said. Thanks..

And I have shown proof over and over.

Why is it you never wish to respond when confronted. Only attack? do you think this is the way we should learn from each other?

Prove me wrong in what I said..

 

[newbirth]

if the obedience is done to earn salvation, Keep salvation, or not lose salvation, then it is done to EARN SALVATION, Done out of your own power, and not in the power of God. Is done to earn a wage, not because you recieved a gift. and will not be honored by God on judgment day (Great White Throne). Plain and simple.

You say you know what salvation is ..for clearly the new creature is created unto good works, even the obedience of faith. You question everymans action like the inquisition denying that their obedience is in faith and that they do it in their own power.One cannot do anything to earn salvation which I showed you in another post. But if one is disobedient one will not inherit eternal life.
Colossians 3:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.



Romans 2:7-8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

If it is done because one has faith in the word of God. Trusts God in what he says, And out of respect and appreciation for the Love God has shown them, it glorifies God, It is produced out of a faith and gratefulness for what God has given you. And done by the power of God. And will be rewarded on judgment day (BEMA seat)

I have no problem with this... the problem I have is you imply if you don't have this and you obey God you are going to hell.
If you could realize the difference, You may finally see the true gospel of Christ.

Titus 1:16

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

 

[Atwood]

I Shall Not Be Moved!

I care not what RCC preserved so-called "church fathers" teach. The old boys had many heretics among them. What I care is what God's Word says:

Cast thy burden upon Jehovah, and he will sustain thee:
He will never allow the righteous to be moved.

Contrary to those who consider Christ a "chance-giver," my Savior guarantees me eternal life. I am declared righteous by faith, as Romans so strongly declares. Thus I am righteous. I attribute that to the gift of God which imputes Christ's righteousness to my account.

So, being righteous by faith, I shall not be moved. He will sustain me.

As it says in Romans 8:


whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities,
nor things present, nor things to come,
nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Trust Him as Savior, not as "chance-giver."

 

[apostolic862004]

Yeah you can. If your not living in deep sin, You can actually have a decent life. Although compaired to a child of Gods life. it will still be lacking. Again, I have witnessed it.

Wow. That is straight up false doctrine if I ever heard it! If you escaped DEEP pollution but you still have a little SHALLOW pollution then you didn't escape pollution at all! You are teaching philosophy and not the bible. That is the same as saying a little white lie is ok but a big black lie will send you to hell. No, a lie is a lie no matter what size it is! The people that had escaped pollution were saved! They were washed clean! And the only way to be washed clean is to be born again. But after they were clean, the were AGAIN entagled. This is so simple but you refuse to believe it even though you are reading it.

Adam was on his own, He was perfect. He is the only one who ever walked the earth besides Eve and Jesus who could live according to Gods law and save himself.

God tested his faith by placing a tree, and said will you follow me, or yourself.

Adam sinned, And died spiritually. If not for Christ suffering the death adam owed God. Adam would be doomed forever.

Adam could not be good enough after he sinned to save himself. Now matter how many good deeds, or how many times he chose to not sin, He still would have been doomed forever if not for Christ.

We are in this second stage. Our ability to be good enough to save ourselves has long since passed. the only hope we have is Christ. period.

Now amount of work, or lack of sin can pay for your sin. If you go off your own obedience, you will fall far far short of comming close to the glory of God (perfection)

WHOA! Hold the bus! You said that if it wasn't for Christ suffering that Adam would be doomed forever? You mean a man that was created perfect from the start and would have gone to heaven if he had died before he ate the fruit? You mean that after he ate the fruit and disobeyed God that he would have been doomed forever if not for Christ? That sounds to me like he FELL AWAY from his salvation! But you don't believe that of course, right? You don't believe that is possible right? Even though that is what you just said, you are gonna tell me that you don't believe that is what really happened right?

See, you can argue that all of us were born sinners, but you can't say that about adam and eve! They were born perfect. So if eternal security is true, what happened to adam and eve's security blanket when they ate the fruit? Could they still have been saved if Christ hadn't died? Because remember they were already on their way to heaven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow. That is straight up false doctrine if I ever heard it! If you escaped DEEP pollution but you still have a little SHALLOW pollution then you didn't escape pollution at all! You are teaching philosophy and not the bible. That is the same as saying a little white lie is ok but a big black lie will send you to hell. No, a lie is a lie no matter what size it is! The people that had escaped pollution were saved! They were washed clean! And the only way to be washed clean is to be born again. But after they were clean, the were AGAIN entagled. This is so simple but you refuse to believe it even though you are reading it.

Sorry bro. I believe all the bible. Not just your few twisted passages which do not mean what you say.

Your interpretation of these passages cause great contradictions with much of scripture. and makes scripture a bible of contradictions and errors. Which makes it worth nothing.

I want a bible that agrees with itself with no contradictions. Not a flawed bible. It did come from God..

WHOA! Hold the bus! You said that if it wasn't for Christ suffering that Adam would be doomed forever? You mean a man that was created perfect from the start and would have gone to heaven if he had died before he ate the fruit?

Are you saying he would not have? Why would he not have, God created him perfect. He was alive to Christ. it was after he sinned that he died.

and by the way, Adam would not have died before he sinned., Sin caused death in the first place. Adam would be alive today if he had not sinned. and the world would still be perfect.

You mean that after he ate the fruit and disobeyed God that he would have been doomed forever if not for Christ? That sounds to me like he FELL AWAY from his salvation!

Fell away from his salvation? I did not know adam NEEDED SAVED before he sinned, what did he need saved from? You sound like a man who is trying to make himself feel good about his belief. and not thinking through what he is saying.

Adam was not saved before he sinned, He was in a perfect state. He did not need saved until he sinned.

But you don't believe that of course, right? You don't believe that is possible right? Even though that is what you just said, you are gonna tell me that you don't believe that is what really happened right?

why would I say it happened? Adam was not saved before sin, He was perfect.

He died. Only after spiritual death did one need saved.

Try to think about what your saying. Maybe you will see the flaw in your reasoning

See, you can argue that all of us were born sinners, but you can't say that about adam and eve! They were born perfect. So if eternal security is true, what happened to adam and eve's security blanket when they ate the fruit? Could they still have been saved if Christ hadn't died? Because remember they were already on their way to heaven.

you compairing apples and oranges.

You can not compair adam before he needed saved to when he did not need saved, and say that refutes eternal security.

Adam was on his own merit before sin, after sin, he could not merit anything but death, he needed Christ to save him.

Try again.

 

[Atwood]

Adam Is No Example of Losing Salvation.

They may search in vain for a teaching that men lose salvation (oxymoron), then fixate on Adam. But scripture never says that Adam was saved; neither that he lost salvation. Salvation occurs when one trusts the Lord as Savior, old things become new, one receives eternal live. (For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Read Romans 1-6).

Adam was not created a sinner, thus he never was saved before the Fall.
After the Fall nothing is said that Adam got saved then either, even if the coats of Animal skins (typical of Christ's death and the reclothing in righteousness) strongly suggests it.

Thus, one is encouraged to stop looking here & there, like for a needle in a hay stack to give yourself some reason why you should not trust Christ as Savior (instead of chance-giver).

The Lord Jesus is a genuine SAvior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Yes, the Lord Jesus' people have plenty of sins to be saved from; & He does it.
Their sins don't disqualify them from salvation, but qualify them for salvation.
He came not to call the righteous, but sinner.

Trust Him today as Savior, not chance-giver.

 

[Alligator]

At least I back my responses with what I believe and scripture. Yes I may get pissy and angry and say stuff I should not say (Yes, I am living proof of why Jesus had to die on the cross. I am not perfect, and I will openly confess it)

But this type of arguing does not get anyone anywhere.

I agree that it does nobody any good to fight and argue. How about a truce?

 

[Atwood]

Eternally, again I say that you are not reading my posts. You claime above that I have not even acknowledge verses 7-8. I explained them both in post #2820.

ow this was your response to another user. So you are saying that these people were never saved huh? Then what you are claiming is that according to this scripture, you can escape the pollution of the world through Jesus Christ [sic] and yet not be saved. Is that correct?

Also, I would like to know what happened to Adam in the Garden? Since we cannot "fall away" what exactly did Adam do when he sinned?

Apostolic,
Stick to passages that refer to salvation and eternal life in a clear manner. I realize that you can't find any verse that says "lose salvation"or "lose faith,"so if you are a die hard determined not to trust the Lord Jesus as Savior (but want Him demoted to "chance-giver,") you will grasp at straws in your attempt. The text doesn't say "through Jesus Christ." Haven't you already read a reasonable explanation of this passage as temporary morality by knowledge of Christianity?

Adam was not saved in the Garden, as Adam has never been damned nor sinned. So He needed no salvation. An expression like "fall away" bears interpretation. A dog may chase a car & then fall away, never having got into the car. Believe the plain promises of God.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Mediate on Romans 8. No condemnation. Foreknew>Foreordained>Called>Justified>Glorified. Neither Things present nor things to come can separate the Christian from that special love of God in Christ Jesus.

He Who began a good work in you, will complete it.
The author & the finisher of our faith.

Repent of demoting Christ to a "chance-giver."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Titus 1:16

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Romans 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Thanks, You again proved eternal security.

When are you going to believe in it, and stop believing in your own works.

And do not deny you believe in your own works. your only lieing to yourself.

 

[Atwood]

"The people that had escaped pollution were saved!"

The text does not say saved. Pollution is not the only possible translation. It is possible to adopt Christianity as a morality and escape from STD's etc. You try to force a passage to say salvation, when it does not.

They were washed clean!

Kindly desist from adding to scripture, claiming things that are not there.

Focus on the promises of God on salvation & eternal life, given in unmistakable terms.

You mean a man that was created perfect from the start and would have gone to heaven if he had died before he ate the fruit?

Again, stop making up things. Where do you get "Heaven" from in this story? Adam could not die before He sinned. The story of Adam's fall has nothing to do with salvation. Kindly refrain from injecting salvation where it does not occur. A righteous person needs no salvation. They were not saved for they had never been sinners. And they did not have any eternal security, only an eternal threat of damnation, so far as they & we know, so long as that tree stayed there.

There is nothing about them being on the way to Heaven. They were in a paradise already. This is totally irrelevant to the doctrine of eternal security. ES is the concept that sinners are justified by faith in Christ Jesus, made possible by His death on the cross that paid for their sins. Having believed in the Savior (not the chance-giver), they have the promise of eternal life:

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

What do you want apostolic? To win an argument or obtain eternal life by trusting the Savior?

 

[Atwood]

High Tower Security

But I will sing of thy strength;
Yea, I will sing aloud of thy lovingkindness in the morning:
For thou hast been my high tower,
And a refuge in the day of my distress.
Unto thee, O my strength, will I sing praises:
For God is my high tower, the God of my mercy. - Ps 59

< John 10


Jesus therefore said unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and go out, and shall find pasture. The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.
. . .
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

R U a believer in the Savior?
Or have you tried to demote Him to chance-giver?

 

[Atwood]

Re: Eternal Security Passage by Athanasius

Starts with a big IF....you just love picking at pieces of scripture to suit your doctrine...in chapter 2 it states...

A first class condition in Greek is an IF statement, where the truth is assumed and used as proof, like,
"If the sun rises tomorrow, we will have light." Doubt is not expressed by such an if.

Addressed to Christians:

[/quote]" If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory."[/quote]

" If then ye were raised together with Christ [and you are, then], seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God.[no doubt about it]
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory."

The shall be is a definite promise. There is no doubt about it for those who trust Christ as Savior, instead of as "chance-giver."

 

[Atwood]

Sorry Atwood, God knows everything .

So true. What is it about you guys? Is there some common spiritual disease among the Easternists that leads them to suppose that they can just pontificate, and everyone will bow down to their say so? Is this denominational pride?

Hobo, if you quote the Bible & argue from it, we have something to discuss.

Perhaps you can be brought around to trusting Christ as Savior instead of as "chance-giver."
Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
for He shall save His people from their sin.

 

[Atwood]

I think OSAS is refuted by the scripture...

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

Keep on quoting:

6:9
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak:

You note how those others who "liked" you post, who deny that Christ is Savior & affirm Him as "chance-giver" like stopping at vs 8.

Why did Paul think he could be cast away?

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Note the common methodology of those who deny eternal security. The have not one verse that says either "lose salvation"or "lose faith," so they resort to passages that say nothing about salvation or eternal life. Then they say, "Hey, look at this."
Translate "I should be disqualified." The passage deals with rewards which are earned as in an athletic contest. It does not address salvation.

He even speaks of those who have cast off their faith...

1Ti 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
1Ti 5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

So you are supposing that if a young widow takes a vow of celibacy to serve the Lord and gets put on the widows' role for financial support by a church, but then she decides she want to marry, God is going to roast her in Hell for that? Absurd.

"Damnation" is a mistranslation. "Faith"is a mistranslation. They cast off their vow, their promise of faithfulness. And breaking their vow merits judgment, not damnation.

So Paul condemns the practice of letting young women make such a vow.

"Let none be enrolled as a widow under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man, well reported of for good works; if she hath brought up children, if she hath used hospitality to strangers, if she hath washed the saints’ feet, if she hath relieved the afflicted, if she hath diligently followed every good work. But younger widows refuse: for when they have waxed wanton against Christ, they desire to marry; having judgment, because they have rejected their first pledge. And withal they learn also to be idle, going about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. I desire therefore that the younger widows marry, bear children, rule the household, give no occasion to the adversary for reviling: for already some are turned aside after Satan. If any woman that believeth hath widows, let her relieve them, and let not the church be burdened; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed."

So young women who have a healthy sex itch should take no vow of celebacy, nor be put on a church role for support. It seems to me that if the RCC were Christian, they would be in serious violation of this rule. Do you suppose that all the nuns who subsequently give up being nuns because they itch for men, then they get married, are going to Hell for that???

Absurd. But yes, if you make a vow & break it, that is a sin.


Eternal security is what the Word of God teaches. Christ is a Savior, not a chance-giver.

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

Repent of reducing Christ to a "chance-giver."
Trust Him as Savior now.

 

[apostolic862004]

Sorry bro. I believe all the bible. Not just your few twisted passages which do not mean what you say.

Your interpretation of these passages cause great contradictions with much of scripture. and makes scripture a bible of contradictions and errors. Which makes it worth nothing.

I want a bible that agrees with itself with no contradictions. Not a flawed bible. It did come from God..




Are you saying he would not have? Why would he not have, God created him perfect. He was alive to Christ. it was after he sinned that he died.

and by the way, Adam would not have died before he sinned., Sin caused death in the first place. Adam would be alive today if he had not sinned. and the world would still be perfect.



Fell away from his salvation? I did not know adam NEEDED SAVED before he sinned, what did he need saved from? You sound like a man who is trying to make himself feel good about his belief. and not thinking through what he is saying.

Adam was not saved before he sinned, He was in a perfect state. He did not need saved until he sinned.



why would I say it happened? Adam was not saved before sin, He was perfect.

He died. Only after spiritual death did one need saved.

Try to think about what your saying. Maybe you will see the flaw in your reasoning



you compairing apples and oranges.

You can not compair adam before he needed saved to when he did not need saved, and say that refutes eternal security.

Adam was on his own merit before sin, after sin, he could not merit anything but death, he needed Christ to save him.

Try again.

Eternally, you are right. Adam did not need salvation before he sinned so I should not have used the term salvation. What I am meaning is that Adam was going to go to heaven. Before he sinned, Adam was on his way to heaven. However that would have happened, he was going there one day. I could take the time to prove that but that would be a whole other thread. So let me know first of all if you agree with that statement. Adam would have gone to heaven at some point before he sinned. If you believe that, then when he sinned, he changed his destination and he was now on his way to hell.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally, you are right. Adam did not need salvation before he sinned so I should not have used the term salvation. What I am meaning is that Adam was going to go to heaven. Before he sinned, Adam was on his way to heaven. However that would have happened, he was going there one day. I could take the time to prove that but that would be a whole other thread. So let me know first of all if you agree with that statement. Adam would have gone to heaven at some point before he sinned. If you believe that, then when he sinned, he changed his destination and he was now on his way to hell.

Your not getting the point. Yes Adam was on his way to heaven (although he prety much had heaven on earth so to speak)

But adam was that way by his works. he earned the right to get to heaven, because he was perfect.

Non of us has ever been in his position, so you can not compare him to us, it is like comparing apples and oranges, they do not mix.

Adam did not fall away as in lose his salvation. In order for this to happen, he would have NEEDED saved in the first place. He did not need saved.

Try another example which fits. Adam does not fit.

In Adam ALL DIE

In CHRIST ALL shall be made alive.

I am in Christ, not in Adam.

Adam was in himself BEFORE he sinned (perfect) after he sinned, He had to be in Christ to get to heaven.

 

[apostolic862004]

Apostolic,
Stick to passages that refer to salvation and eternal life in a clear manner. I realize that you can't find any verse that says "lose salvation"or "lose faith,"so if you are a die hard determined not to trust the Lord Jesus as Savior (but want Him demoted to "chance-giver,") you will grasp at straws in your attempt. The text doesn't say "through Jesus Christ." Haven't you already read a reasonable explanation of this passage as temporary morality by knowledge of Christianity?

Atwood, if we are going to discredit the validity of a belief because the term is not found in a scripture, then you will have to concede that "eternal security" is rubbish. So just because there isn't a scripture that uses the phrase "lose salvation" doesn't mean you can't lose it.

So maybe you "ES" guys are hung up on the word "lose." After thinking about it a while, I believe I agree with you. There is no one that has been saved that "lost" their salvation. They walked away from it.

 

[Atwood]

Atwood, if we are going to discredit the validity of a belief because the term is not found in a scripture, then you will have to concede that "eternal security" is rubbish. So just because there isn't a scripture that uses the phrase "lose salvation" doesn't mean you can't lose it.

I am not saying you need to find that exact phrase. But the two words "lose" and "salvation" never occur in the same verse. And neither is their equivalent language to that. People who can't seem to trust Christ as Savior, but want him as a "chance giver," are taking passages that do not say one can lose salvation.

[/quote]So maybe you "ES" guys are hung up on the word "lose." After thinking about it a while, I believe I agree with you. There is no one that has been saved that "lost" their salvation. They walked away from it.[/QUOTE]

Apostolic, you are wasting both of our time when you up and vociferate without any Bible proof. If you speak about "walk away from" even if you had such a verse, that would prove nothing since "walk away from" would not imply that a person was saved. You can be near a door you never entered & walk away from it. So to prove your case you need clear language. But you won't find it. What you are trying to do is to find that a person's nature that has been changed from Adamic sinner to Child of God can be uncreated.

Your idea of losing salvation is an oxymoron, for if a man ends up in Hell, He was never saved from Hell.

Let us confine ourselves to what the Bible teaches instead of making a stretch out of irrelevant and ambiguous passages.

And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.

Col 3
If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth. For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.

2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort . . ."
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

2 Tim 1:8-9
… God; who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,

2 thes 2:16-17 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish,

John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6

And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.


Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philippians 3:20-21
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power that enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Ps 138

"thy right hand will save me.
YHWH will perfect that which concerns me:"

Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in
For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Hebrews 10:14
For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
John 4:14
But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Psalm 34:22
The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him will be condemned.
Jude 1:24
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Colossians 1:13
He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
Romans 8:32
He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Hebrews 9:15
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.


Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[Atwood]

Eternally, you are right. Adam did not need salvation before he sinned so I should not have used the term salvation. What I am meaning is that Adam was going to go to heaven. Before he sinned, Adam was on his way to heaven. However that would have happened, he was going there one day. I could take the time to prove that but that would be a whole other thread. So let me know first of all if you agree with that statement. Adam would have gone to heaven at some point before he sinned. If you believe that, then when he sinned, he changed his destination and he was now on his way to hell.

There is nothing about Heaven or going to Heaven in the Adam story. Adam was created to be King of the Earth. He was in a Heaven! so to speak. He was in paradise. He was good. When He sinned & brought death on the race, he was not losing salvation -- for He had never been saved. This illustration goes nowhere for losing salvation.

We really must refrain from making up what is not in the Bible.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[apostolic862004]

Your idea of losing salvation is an oxymoron, for if a man ends up in Hell, He was never saved from Hell.

Then you also believe that if a man ends up in heaven, he was never lost from heaven right?

Its funny how that you talk so condescendingly to people, use a few million dollar words, and then post whole sections of scripture with out explaining anything and assume that makes you right! LOL! SMH


You have been given a whole list of scriptures that show that you can and people that have walked away from there salvation but you simply refuse to believe that its there. But sticking your head in the sand when the storm is coming won't keep you from getting rained on. It's there, you've read it, you've rejected it.