God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

[StoneThrower]

That's just one more of your many errors.

Gods word says something differnt so what is your authority?

 

[Shubee]

Are you born again?

I know that I am.

John 14
15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

 

[Shubee]

Gods word says something differnt

Aren't you just imagining what God's word contains? What does it say that disagrees with this fundamental Millerite belief:

John 14
25 These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

 

[StoneThrower]

That's just one more of your many errors.

Ok do you believe the Bible is true?

 

[oldhermit]

So you're saying what I've accused you of saying:

God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself

All I said is what the text says.

 

[StoneThrower]

All I said is what the text says.

I think he left us.

 

[Shubee]

Ok do you believe the Bible is true?

That all depends. How often does the truthfulness of something in the Bible depend on intentionally progressive revelation, honest but limited accuracy of oral traditions, obvious human misunderstanding, purity of motive, prophecy being conditional with the conditions generally not stated explicitly, and context? For example, Genesis has two somewhat incompatible creation accounts. To me the variation suggests the meaning is to be interpreted as "something like this." To someone else, the evidence might suggest an obvious error. I don't see it that way.

Generally speaking, I consider the Bible writers to be God's inspired penmen, not His pen.

 

[Shubee]

All I said is what the text says.

So you're saying that you don't see any significant difference in the translations of Philippians 2:6 as given in the opening post versus Philippians 2:6 as translated in the KJV and NKJV?

 

[Shubee]

All I said is what the text says.

My complaint is your reliance on a misguided translation, which led you to write an absurdity, which is: "it is his equality with God that Jesus did not regard as robbery to possess."

Can't you see that's not what the translations are saying that I cited?

 

[StoneThrower]

My complaint is your reliance on a misguided translation, which led you to write an absurdity, which is: "it is his equality with God that Jesus did not regard as robbery to possess."

Can't you see that's not what the translations are saying that I cited?

2000 years of church history, and many brilliant men say your incorrect that all three members are co equal, but that there are differnt roles and the son is submissive to the father and the Holy Spirit to the son.
So maybe its your understanding thats off?

 

[oldhermit]

My complaint is your reliance on a misguided translation, which led you to write an absurdity, which is: "it is his equality with God that Jesus did not regard as robbery to possess."

Can't you see that's not what the translations are saying that I cited?

I can read the Greek for myself. I do not need to rely on someone else's translation, and ἁρπαγμὸν means precisely what I said it means.

 

[StoneThrower]

That all depends. How often does the truthfulness of something in the Bible depend on intentionally progressive revelation, honest but limited accuracy of oral traditions, obvious human misunderstanding, purity of motive, prophecy being conditional with the conditions generally not stated explicitly, and context? For example, Genesis has two somewhat incompatible creation accounts. To me the variation suggests the meaning is to be interpreted as "something like this." To someone else, the evidence might suggest an obvious error. I don't see it that way.
Generally speaking, I consider the Bible writers to be God's inspired penmen, not His pen.

The reason I asked is the Bible is incompatible with SVA in DEUT 18:18-22
You have different prophets and at least 3 false prophecies about the rapture. Scripture says we are to mark false teachers and avoid them but you have invited them in and received teaching from them something is inconsistent.

Deu 18:20
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.'
Deu 18:21
And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word that the LORD has not spoken?'--
Deu 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.
Deu 13:1
"If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2
and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, 'Let us go after other gods,' which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,'
Deu 13:3
you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
2Pe_2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[Shubee]

I can read the Greek for myself. I do not need to rely on someone else's translation, and ἁρπαγμὸν means precisely what I said it means.

The question is why you failed to discern the meaning of the riddle God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself and why you still do not discern that the following translations disagree with yours:

New English Bible (NEB)
For the divine nature was his from the first; yet he did not think to snatch at equality with God

New American Standard Bible
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized,

Young's Literal Translation
who, being in the form of God, thought not robbery to be equal to God,

 

[Shubee]

2000 years of church history, and many brilliant men say your incorrect that all three members are co equal, but that there are differnt roles and the son is submissive to the father and the Holy Spirit to the son.
So maybe its your understanding thats off?

If I was alive in 380 A.D. anywhere in the Roman Empire, then I would have thought that the State endorsed Trinity doctrine was the mark of the beast. I now believe that 380 A.D. only marked the beginning of the Thyatira period of church history. So you are saying that you regard this historical period to be a gloriously brilliant time for the church?

 

[Shubee]

You have different prophets and at least 3 false prophecies about the rapture.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[StoneThrower]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Seriously? You’re SVA and you never heard of Ellen White?
Here are three false prophets two of which were leaders in the organization. That would have been stoned in the Old Testament for being a false prophet.
My question was pretty clear if you believe in scripture, than how do you rank yourself or belong to an organization that is known for propagating lies. If they are known historically as being liars and false prophets why would you trust your soul to them?

So based on what scripture says about false prophets and false teachers, it looks like you dont really believe it.

That "Old Jerusalem never would be built up". In Early Writings p 75, she said, "Then I was pointed to some who are in the great error of believing that it is their duty to go to Old Jerusalem, and think they have a work to do there before the Lord comes .... I saw that Satan had greatly deceived some in this thing, .... I ALSO SAW THAT OLD JERUSALEM NEVER WOULD BE BUILT UP; and that Satan was doing his utmost to lead the minds of the children of the Lord into these things now, in the gathering time.

She predicted that she would be among "the living saints" when Jesus returned.
"Soon our eyes were drawn to the east, for a small black cloud had appeared, about half as large as a man's hand, which we all knew was the sign of Son of man.... Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, "Alleluia!" as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment WE WERE CHANGED AND CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air". Early Writings, pp 15-16



In 1862 she predicted that "when England does declare war [against the North, during the civil war]. All nations will have an interest of their own to serve, and there will be general war, general confusion." The result will be that "this nation [the United States] will...be humbled into the dust". Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 259.



William Miller. He first predicted the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur before March 21, 1844 and again in, April 18, 1844

Samuel S. Snow, derived the date of October 22, 1844.
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[StoneThrower]

If I was alive in 380 A.D. anywhere in the Roman Empire, then I would have thought that the State endorsed Trinity doctrine was the mark of the beast.

Why would you?

 

[Shubee]

Seriously? You’re SVA and you never heard of Ellen White?

William Miller. He first predicted the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur before March 21, 1844 and again in, April 18, 1844

Samuel S. Snow, derived the date of October 22, 1844.
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I am a Millerite, not SDA. William Miller never claimed that he was a prophet speaking for God, although I believe he was. The current Millerite Interpretation of the Book of Revelation vindicates William Miller.

I agree that virtually all of EGW's predictions failed.

 

[Shubee]

Why would you?

The State church that enforced Trinitarianism by the edict of Emperor Theodosius was unquestionably anti Christ.

 

[oldhermit]

The question is why you failed to discern the meaning of the riddle God didn't think it robbery to be equal to Himself and why you still do not discern that the following translations disagree with yours:

New English Bible (NEB)
For the divine nature was his from the first; yet he did not think to snatch at equality with God

New American Standard Bible
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized,

Young's Literal Translation
who, being in the form of God, thought not robbery to be equal to God,

The words in red are YOUR words, not the scriptures. The reason you are having difficulty creating any kind of syntheses between the language of the text and your understanding of God is because your basic understanding of the nature of God is flawed.