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I don't think God actually "chooses" who is to follow him or not..The choice is all ours We are free to accept Him or reject Him...
I think once we accept Him we should also accept the gifts of the Holy Spirit and use them wisely as He directs..
I believe that God did predestine certain people to carry out and complete the prophecies of Christ while he was alive..When Christ uttered "It is finished" , I believe He meant that all His work on earth was finished and the prophecies were also completed..
I think once we accept Him we should also accept the gifts of the Holy Spirit and use them wisely as He directs..
I believe that God did predestine certain people to carry out and complete the prophecies of Christ while he was alive..When Christ uttered "It is finished" , I believe He meant that all His work on earth was finished and the prophecies were also completed..
When mankind fell in Adam in the garden mankind received the knowledge of good and evil. It is now incumbent on man to make the choice and discern between good and evil. Jesus taught in John chapter 3 that men do in fact choose to remain in darkness because their deeds are evil. God is not willing that any should perish but that all men should come to repentance. All men are drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit when they hear the word of God many pull back and turn away from the Spirit's call.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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For many are called but few are chosen. And the natural man receives not the things of the spirit meaning that the natural man cannot receive the things of God because they are foolishness to him. So unless you are born again you cannot accept anything of God, can we choose to be born again? No, by His will begat He us
Jesus Christ is the Light that lighteth every soul. The arm of Jehovah God is not shortened that He cannot save. God loves every soul and wants every soul to be saved. Men choose to be condemned they even delight in the idea until it actually happens.
Did you choose to post here or was it predestination?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Did you choose to post here or was it predestination?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Well first off , predestinate is the word pro horizo, meaning to be pre bound for the light and only applies to God's chosen. God did ordain everything that ever happened how could he not because if he didn't want it to happen it wouldn't because He is all powerfu. Secondly are you saying that God wants to save everyone but fails because man's will to go to hell is stronger than God's will for them to be saved. That would be ignorant. And thirdly if God did want to save everyone than why In the world would He give us a choice knowing that most people would go to hell. If he didn't want anyone in hell He would have not given anyone the choice or made anyone evil, the only reason anyone is in hell is because God wants them there, if He didn't He could pull them out
You are now in spin mode. Let God be God. God asked Job a simple question: where were you when God laid the foundations of the world? You cannot know more than God.
It is circular reasoning to say that God can do what ever He wants to do. God is glorified in man whether man chooses to trust Christ and be saved or if man rejects Christ and is condemned. Because God knows the end from the beginning does not mean that God has predetermined who will believe and who will reject although God certainly has the authority to do so.
Have you been saved? Biblically saved by grace through faith? Have you ever come to the realization that you are lost and apart from Christ you will spend eternity in the lake of fire? Have you ever been under the conviction of the Holy Spirit about your need to trust Christ for forgiveness of your sins?
Does God save men who do not want to be saved?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is circular reasoning to say that God can do what ever He wants to do. God is glorified in man whether man chooses to trust Christ and be saved or if man rejects Christ and is condemned. Because God knows the end from the beginning does not mean that God has predetermined who will believe and who will reject although God certainly has the authority to do so.
Have you been saved? Biblically saved by grace through faith? Have you ever come to the realization that you are lost and apart from Christ you will spend eternity in the lake of fire? Have you ever been under the conviction of the Holy Spirit about your need to trust Christ for forgiveness of your sins?
Does God save men who do not want to be saved?
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Roger
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No. No he doesnt. Romans 9 13 Jacob have i loved but esau have I hated. Jacobs name is changed to Israel and represents the elect believers. Esau represents the nonelect vessels of wrath fitted to destruction made like brute beast to be taken and destroyed . And, the word love is agape , meaning to walk in God's commandments . God loved esau because He gave His commandments to them. When someone be lives it is not because they chose to but because God wrote His laws in their heart. God does not agape everyone and in psalms David says thou hates all workers of iniquity . For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever should believe should not perish but have everlasting life. His love is conditioned to the believer not to the whole world. And the word for world is cosmos
Before you can make a clear analogy of what confusion is brought everytime predestination is brought up , but it is scriptural but hard to consume because of our concept of time and eternity ,you see time is linear it has a past and a present but the only relevant to us is the present time for furure has not come neither past either for that time is Gone away but eternity exist outside of time has no future and no end but is , it is God's place in wich He has chosen that we shall live in
He 1st LOVED us, as a song goes...
1Jn_4:19 We love because he first loved us.
1Jn_4:10 This is what love is: it is not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the means by which our sins are forgiven
Perhaps Enoch was closer than any other man, except than Jesus, who was with HIm, in the beginning.
1Jn_4:19 We love because he first loved us.
1Jn_4:10 This is what love is: it is not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the means by which our sins are forgiven
Perhaps Enoch was closer than any other man, except than Jesus, who was with HIm, in the beginning.