Happy Sabbath Everyone!

[chubbena]

As NT believers we have no excuse because that middle wall of partition has been broken down and both Jew and Gentile who believe have been placed in Christ and are one body with Christ as their head. Jews who believe can't separate themselves from Gentiles who believe because they have the law. You can't use the keeping of the Sabbath to make yourself distinct from others when there is no Jew or Gentile in Christ as one body. That would be division and Christ is not divided because the Spirit has been given to both. In Christ keeping the law of the Sabbath has no place, but to do the work of the Father on that day Christ has given us so many illustrations of by doing what He did on the Sabbath. I would venture to say that Christ did His greatest work on that day because so many Sabbath keepers were looking to see the next work He would do so that they might accuse Him. If we really want to honor God on the Sabbath we should do His work with our hands, our feet and with our tongue as a labor of love because we have already entered into His rest.

No doubt the wall is broken by the sacrifice of the Lamb, the Lord of Sabbath, the Word who spoke of the Sabbath through Moses.
However, the gentile believers do not support the root, but the root supports the gentile believers.
It wasn't Sabbath keepers but rather Pharisees and scribes, who looked to accuse the Messiah of offending the Sabbath very much like the questions asked of Sabbath keepers here.
No one Sabbath keeper is against good work such as what the Messiah has done so who are you speaking against?

 

[Atwood]

Christians in General, Should Not Keep the Sabbath

Gal 4

Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again? Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years. I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.

 

[KohenMatt]

According to Exodus 31:12-16, you should not even be on your computer!

12 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying,13 “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.14 Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.16 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’

Which verse says that?

 

[Scuba]

Re: Christians in General, Should Not Keep the Sabbath

Gal 4

Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again? Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years. I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.

Christmas, Easter, Lent, Good Friday, Sunday observance, Halloween? I'm afraid for you.

Now let me help you. Anytime you hear the Bible speaking against obeying God it's always referring to the motive of why you are obeying God, not the fact that you are obeying. If you're obeying God in order to be justified you have fallen from grace. But if your obedience is an expression of love then you are experiencing salvation.

 

[chubbena]

Sabbath keepers blessings to each other disturb those who don't keep.
That's a stumbling block - consider many pastors and teachers are taught in seminaries, and are in turn teaching in their congregations, that in Christ everyday is Sabbath so they may keep their previous life style, in terms of time management, as the world.
Consider the impact, when their congregation members come here and read about this.
Someone has got to stop this.
The rest is history.
Same then, same now.

 

[Scuba]

The law was given with specifics so that they would go to the law to be convinced of sin. This became their practice according to the law. If you fasil to keep the Sabbath why would you need Jesus to tell you if you have sinned or not. Is not the law enough to convict you of your transgression?

I see the seventh day as being blessed, holy and sanctified by God apart from the Law. I follow the life and teachings of Jesus in how to celebrate the seventh day in light of it being blessed, holy and sanctified. The Law made the Sabbath a ritual were the Sabbath became more important than mankind. This was not God intent for the Sabbath or the Law.

 

[2Thewaters]

Love is a choice
Jesus CHOSE to stay on the cross
it wa painul
yet he stayed there

he wanted to leave
but chose to stay

it s painful to follow the truth
you loose your family
you loose your friends
you loos the Job
but you gain FAITH and salvation and love for God and man
what a gift

the GOLD the FAITH must be purified

the gold (faith in the Bible) will be purified
and when you have pure faith in the word of God
then you will be like Jesus character
pure trust in God

the easy party way
chiestmas lent easter and wany other non biblical weigh is not the way of faith

the way of faith is like Jonah
stand up and spea the truth

THAT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE DONT DO IT
this is not in the Bible dont do it
THAT IS NOT THE DAY GOD ASKED US TO KEEP
this is the day God asked us to keep

so let popes, priest shamans gurus and all other anti bible guys do what they want
and follow the Bible
by CHIICE
for LOVE IS A CHOICE
a FAITHFULNESS
a RIGHT DOING NESS (righteousness)
of doing the word of God

that is what faith is.

doing all that the word of God has told us

without whining
without excuse
and in love

in love

by choice
willingy going into the furnace to be destroyed.
willingly to walk into the fire
and you wont be touched.
you will come out pure godl
pure faith
pure life in God
pure disciples like ELIJAH

 

[chubbena]

Amen Bro. Brad!

The Sabbath was given as a "sign" to the children of Israel, not to the Gentiles...and it was not "transferred" to the Church in the New Testament. The New Testament believer is not bound by the Sabbath. In addition, the Church is not keeping the Sabbath day according to Scripture:

Exodus 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

According to Exodus 31:12-16, you should not even be on your computer!

That's what the religious leaders at the time of the Messiah would say because they were experts of the law. They would interpret the law in a way that suit their theology.
Now going back to Sabbath for the gentiles. Again the Word of God who is also the Lord of Sabbath spoke through Isaiah: And for foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord to serve Him, to love the name of the Lord, and to worship Him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant - these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer.

 

[Linda70]

12 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying,13 “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.14 Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.15 For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.16 So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’

Which verse says that?

The sabbath law was severe and rigid.

1. No work was to be done: Exodus 20:10; 31:14-15.

2. Bear no burden: Jeremiah 17:21

3. Light no fire: Exodus 35:3.

The law of the sabbath was so severe that God had an Israelite stoned merely for gathering sticks to build a fire because by this he broke the sabbath law (Numbers 15:32-36).

The law was not given to be a blessing. The Apostle Peter called the Law "a yoke of bondage which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (Acts 15:10).

What makes you think that God has changed His mind about the Sabbath law? If you want to remain under that "yoke of bondage", you are required to do so according to how God commanded....continually and perfectly.

James 2:10 states that the law cannot be broken. Therefore anyone desiring to observe the sabbath of the Mosaic law must observe it exactly as God demanded in the Old Testament. And such a one must observe every other detail of the law. The Mosaic law is not the Christian's standard; Christ is.

The Mosaic law was never intended as a way of life for the justified man:

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

[KohenMatt]

The sabbath law was severe and rigid.

1. No work was to be done: Exodus 20:10; 31:14-15.

2. Bear no burden: Jeremiah 17:21

3. Light no fire: Exodus 35:3.

The law of the sabbath was so severe that God had an Israelite stoned merely for gathering sticks to build a fire because by this he broke the sabbath law (Numbers 15:32-36).

The law was not given to be a blessing. The Apostle Peter called the Law "a yoke of bondage which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (Acts 15:10).

What makes you think that God has changed His mind about the Sabbath law? If you want to remain under that "yoke of bondage", you are required to do so according to how God commanded....continually and perfectly.

James 2:10 states that the law cannot be broken. Therefore anyone desiring to observe the sabbath of the Mosaic law must observe it exactly as God demanded in the Old Testament. And such a one must observe every other detail of the law. The Mosaic law is not the Christian's standard; Christ is.

The Mosaic law was never intended as a way of life for the justified man:

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

So somehow in all that, you saw that I shouldn't be on the internet?

Regardless, did God intend the Law to be a blessing when He gave it to Israel?

 

[chubbena]

I see the seventh day as being blessed, holy and sanctified by God apart from the Law. I follow the life and teachings of Jesus in how to celebrate the seventh day in light of it being blessed, holy and sanctified. The Pharisees and scribes made the Sabbath a ritual were the Sabbath became more important than mankind. This was not God intent for the Sabbath or the Law.

Corrected it for you. You are welcome.

 

[Scuba]

Corrected it for you. You are welcome.

I believe it should be Law. This is why a new covenant had to be made. The principle in the Law itself is not the issue but the letter of the Law in the mind of religious man is the issue. The letter of the Law became more important than it's purpose and meaning. But thanks for the correction. I can see how you would come to that conclusion but I like to look a little deeper.

 

[chubbena]

The sabbath law was severe and rigid.

1. No work was to be done: Exodus 20:10; 31:14-15.

2. Bear no burden: Jeremiah 17:21

3. Light no fire: Exodus 35:3.

The law of the sabbath was so severe that God had an Israelite stoned merely for gathering sticks to build a fire because by this he broke the sabbath law (Numbers 15:32-36).

The law was not given to be a blessing. The Apostle Peter called the Law "a yoke of bondage which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (Acts 15:10).

What makes you think that God has changed His mind about the Sabbath law? If you want to remain under that "yoke of bondage", you are required to do so according to how God commanded....continually and perfectly.

James 2:10 states that the law cannot be broken. Therefore anyone desiring to observe the sabbath of the Mosaic law must observe it exactly as God demanded in the Old Testament. And such a one must observe every other detail of the law. The Mosaic law is not the Christian's standard; Christ is.

The Mosaic law was never intended as a way of life for the justified man:

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

That's lawless man's interpretation of the Sabbath and for that matter, the law, but God spoke through Isaiah: "if you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob."
Was God severe and rigid towards Israel?

The psalmist said: "Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the Lord." Was he a legalist?

 

[Scuba]

That's lawless man's interpretation of the Sabbath and for that matter, the law, but God spoke through Isaiah: "if you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob."
Was God severe and rigid towards Israel?

The psalmist said: "Blessed are they whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the Lord." Was he a legalist?

A man was stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. I find it interesting how it wasn't a bolt of lightning coming down from heaven striking the man dead for picking up sticks, but rather, it was religious man stoning him. God never wanted a relationship with His people based on Law and punishment, man did.

 

[Atwood]

LAW IS OVER; SABBATH IS NOT 4 CHURCH

And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ’s. - COLOSSIANS

 

[Scuba]

Re: LAW IS OVER; SABBATH IS NOT 4 CHURCH

And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ’s. - COLOSSIANS

Amen! That's a beautiful verse when it's understood properly.

 

[Atwood]

The law of the sabbath was so severe that God had an Israelite stoned merely for gathering sticks to build a fire because by this he broke the sabbath law (Numbers 15:32-36).

An excellent post, Linda.

But I will take exception to the claim that the man was stoned for breaking the Sabbath. If you look at the context it seems clear that the man was stoned for presumptous sin, a type of sin that had no sacrifice. Evidently the man who gathered the sticks was shaking his fist in God's face and saying, "I know it is against your law to gather sticks on the Sabbath, but I don't care a fig about your law or what you say. I will do what I want to do anyway," = presumptuous sin.

I think that usually when men sin, they do not do it that way; they rationalize that it is OK (which I think is non-willful sin under the law and can be addressed with a sacrifice); and if not rationalization as OK, they may excuse themselves as, "Well, it is wrong, but no biggie," something like that.

So, take a look at your context, & see what you think.

 

[chubbena]

A man was stoned to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. I find it interesting how it wasn't a bolt of lightning coming down from heaven striking the man dead for picking up sticks, but rather, it was religious man stoning him. God never wanted a relationship with His people based on Law and punishment, man did.

What if the offender repented and begged for mercy? What if Moses prayed for him?
What if the whole nation prayed for him?
They probably have forgotten His character at that point in time like we do when we read about that incidence - "The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.”

Nevertheless, we now have the Mediator sitting at the right side of the Most High.
....and some think we could pick as much sticks as we like now.
To each his own.

 

[ThePottersClay]

Have a blessed day

 

[Linda70]

Atwood...

My point in posting what I did about Sabbath keeping was to show first of all that the New Testament believer was not bound by the Sabbath...the apostles did not teach keeping the Sabbath in any of the New Testament church epistles.

Secondly, most "modern day Sabbath/lawkeepers" do not keep the Sabbath as God commanded in the Old Testament. Many think they can "pick and choose" which laws they can keep and which laws they can simply dismiss as not applicable to lawkeeping today. The Mosaic Law functioned as an "indivisible unit" (ceremonial, civil and moral aspects---all 613 commandments) and to break one commandment is to be guilty of breaking the whole law.

Thirdly, the punishment for breaking the Sabbath was stoning...for whatever reason.