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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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I don't want the death or destruction of anyone. But can you blame him? Israel is the number 1 blocker for peace in the middle east. They never should have been reformed. The land belonged to others and the Zionist leaders lied and tricked their way into building Israel, stealing it from the Palestinians. Zionist jews moved in and began using terrorism to try to force Britain to leave and give up their occupation.
You support Israeli terrorism
You support Israeli genocide of the Palestinians
You should support neither Israel nor Hamas
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Sirk
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Israel wants peace...has offered peace many times....all Arab countries have to do is recognize Israel's right to exist. They will not because they want Israel gone.
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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I can use the same argument against you. You fail to take my correction.
Rebeccah is less educated than many Christian scholars who speak against Israel, so by your reasoning she should stop talking too. She fails to take correction.
Besides, she really said nothing of interest and you act like she spoke great wisdom.
She used logical fallacies and used my arguments out of context and you guys act like she disproved me, which she did not.
You place her on a pedestal and that makes her at risk of failure like so many other religious leaders.
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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They stole the land
And no they do not want peace. Whenever anything happens in the world to take the attention away from Israel, Israel steals more homes in Palestine. They have massive bulldozers just for demolishing Palestinian homes. They have signs in Israel telling people to come settle in Palestine, an act which is illegal in the UN. But every time someone in the UN tries to do anything against Israel, to punish them, or keep them accountable, stupid USA steps in and uses their Veto power. So Israel gets away with murder, literally.
They steal land and you stand on the side of injustice and act like it is theirs anyway.
The only peace solution Israel has in mind is the complete destruction of all Palestinian people
You are blind
This satanic doctrine is directly related to the slaughter of untold Jews through history. While it is true God will allow the wicked to punish the Jews, woe to the wicked who engage in this hatred of Israel. Love the Jews and pray that they accept Jesus theirs and our Messiah, and let God deal with disciplining them. THAT is our Christian role.
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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what a deluded video
here are the lies:
1.) Israel wants to live in peace
2.) Israel recognizes the right of Palestinians to have their own state and live in peace
3.) The problem is the muslims and arabs that do not recognize the right of the jewish state
4.) The UN partition map he presents shows small pockets of arab land in the original "Arab state" and a large Jewish land mass
The truth is:
1.) Israel stole the land
2.) Israel does not recognize a Palestinian state, they deny it in the UN and are constantly killing Palestinians and removing them from their homes
3.) The problem is Israel and the USA who terrorize the middle east
4.) The original land was actually a small pocket of Jewish land, but Israel has been stealing land so much that the "arab state" is now almost gone
This is why the Palestinian Christians, Jews and Muslims refuse to recognize Israel:
Lets pretend that your neighbors came by and started living in your shed. You tried to kick him out but the police and your neighbors said, can you just let him live there, they have nowhere to go. Then he started throwing eggs and other things at you. Hitting your children with sticks and pretty soon he took over your whole back yard because you were afraid to go back there and no one would listen to you.
Then he broke into your house and started living in the basement. But everyone still kept protecting him and even gave him guns to protect himself in case you tried to kick him out. Besides, everyone on the block knows that he used to live in the house and only had to leave because he lost all his money gambling. But the neighbors still feel its his.
Soon the owners of the house are banished to the shed and the tenants want to kill them to finally be rid of them, but he cant do it when everyone is watching. So when people aren't looking, and at every chance, he throws stones at them, rapes their 10 year old daughter, he killed the father of the house and made it look like their son did it, he started his own house on fire and blamed it on them. The neighbors are shocked and defend the thieves, acting as though they just want peace.
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Lovesong
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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The Jews are no better and no worse than any other lost person. God loves them all. So quit propping them up and acting like they have God's favor over other nations.
If they don't accept Christ, they will go to hell
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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When you watch the daily news and see the faces of dead Palestinian mothers, fathers and children remember this: you support their death. You support it with your tax dollars and by protecting Israel
This is not what Jesus wants of the Christian church
You would do so much to improve the reputation of Christ if you stand up against oppression and wars, rather than focusing on self preservation
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Lovesong
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This isn't about that. This is a thread based on the defamation of Israel. This is something that is told in the book of Revelation. This is the end times, Israel is going to be the most attacked because they are God's chosen.
Satan is the voice behind the defamation of Israel be careful who you listen to! Stop going by every wind of doctrine, and listen to the Spirit of God.
There will always be wars and oppression and there will always be poor.
All this is is pride..
Our job as Christian's were to love the Lord with all our hearts souls and minds.
Israel is God's chosen, get over it...
Its Jesus's Christ's job to stop the wars. He will do this when he returns.
The Jews moved in and turned a barren desert wasreland into a fruitful and prosperous economy. Hamas gets Gaza and immediately turn the economic aid they receive from others and turn it into tunnels and missles fully neglecting the welfare of their people...oh wait, not fully...they get to be shields for the missles.
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Linda70
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Christians are NOT the NEW chosen people! You are teaching Replacement Theology. This is the false teaching and the LIE that the Church has replaced Israel.
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY: A BAD IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS NOT COME… by Keith Megilligan | Israel News | Bible Prophecies | Proclaiming Messiah | Jewish Awareness Ministries
First, what is replacement theology?
Basically, it is the view that God has turned His back upon the Jews, Israel and his promises to them in Scripture and has replaced them with the church. Thus, whatever covenants and provisions God has made with and for the children of Israel now belong to the children of God in the church. God has rejected the “old Israel,” and the church has become the “new Israel.” Whatever has been promised to Israel in the Scriptures (read Old Testament) was no longer for them, the church obtained those rights. Literal or normal understanding of God’s relationship to Israel has been replaced with a “spiritual” understanding of Scripture. According to this view, Israel has been replaced by the church.
Second, how did this view originate?
The origin started with Origen! Origen was the one of the most prominent early church fathers (about 185-254 AD). He had concluded and espoused the view that God had judged the nation of Israel and abandoned them forever because of her sins. He further taught that the Jews would never be restored to their former condition. What basically had happened (from Origen’s point of view) was that the nation of Israel suffered yet another dispersion (dissolution) at the same time that the church had become the visible spiritual entity that God was going to use to get his message out.
Third, but how is that possible, that the church would replace Israel?
Basically, you would have to redefine “Israel.” Origen was also part of the early church’s development of allegorical teaching and preaching. He and others espoused a view that would “spiritualize” their interpretation of Scriptural passages to have meanings that were not normal or literal. Thus, anything that the text said about Israel, since she had now been set aside by God, was “spiritualized” in its meaning to refer to the church.
Fourth, so did the church continue to believe and practice such teaching?
Yes and yes! Within a few centuries of its origin, the church split into two major factions: eastern church (Orthodox) and western church (Roman Catholic). The western church became the prominent force for “Christianity” and her influence became the more dominate of the two worldwide. The Roman church continued the teaching and preaching model of allegorical interpretation. Israel was replaced in their eyes as well. So, for well over 1,600 years replacement theology “grew,” and the Jewish people suffered both biblically and literally for it.
Fifth, didn’t things change in the reformation?
Sort of – let’s use Martin Luther as a principle example. Though it appears that Luther struggled during much of his career/ministry with what place in God’s plan the Jew/Israel had, he settled, by the end, with strong anti-Jewish sentiment. As he viewed their history, he concluded that the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem (70 AD) was argument enough for God disregarding the Jew. He also struggled with the matter of why couldn’t/shouldn’t a Jewish person accept Jesus as Messiah since Jesus was a Jew as well? Luther was torn by these two (among other) factors that left him basically with an anti-Semitic mind set. For example, he wrote a tract entitled: “On the Jews and their Lies.” Luther adopted a position very consistent with Origen. He wrote at one point, “Thus all the Gentiles who are Christians are the true Israelites and new Jews, born of Christ, the noblest Jew.” It is not difficult at all to see Luther’s “replacement theology” in such a quote.
Sixth, what about the rest of the leaders of the reformation, did they hold the same position?
Essentially, yes. Since Roman Catholicism had held such a powerful sway upon the thinking of Christian leaders for so long, it was not easy to throw off this yoke. In other words, allegory and its implications still influenced the reformed leaders with their attitude toward the Jew and Israel. Though the reformers certainly tightened up their interpretation of Scripture with regard to salvation, justification, sanctification, and glorification, and they developed a much improved exegetical approach to the interpretation of Scripture, they couldn’t shake the allegorical (if not anti-social) view of Israel and the Jewish people which had been held for centuries.
Seventh, so where does that leave us today?
Church history continues to impact this answer. As the reformation settled down and even an “anti-reformation” came in to play, orchestrated by the Roman Catholic church, the teaching and the practice of the church (Reformed and Catholic) in matters related to Israel stayed the same. Post-reformation German theologians grew in prominence in the European/western church. They eventually brought to the forefront two brands of theology. One was neo-orthodoxy and the other was documentary hypothesis. Though the mere mention of these disciplines of study may turn you off, they impacted the church’s teaching regarding Israel significantly. First neo-orthodoxy: the term simply means “new doctrine.” However, there is little that is orthodox about it. Liberal German (and other) theologians began to present a view of doctrine that used the same and familiar biblical terms (in their teaching/preaching) but gave them entirely new meanings. “Salvation” could simply be a new experience a person had that made them think or behave in a better fashion. “Grace” was cheapened to be more expressive of a feeling than a sovereign display of God’s character towards an undeserving sinner. And so it went. This took allegory to a new level. The text was beyond being spiritualized; it was re-defined. One German theologian of the previous century, for example, while having good things to say about Jesus and Judaism, implied that Jews were children of Satan. The “problem” of the Jew in his day was a social issue and the church had nothing to do with it. Let the state deal with it/them (Rudolph Bultmann, Liberal and Anti-Jewish). It is not too far a jump to see how liberal theology had influenced the church to turn its back on the Jew and stay focused on (what it considered) church issues. Documentary hypothesis taught that the Bible (Scripture) was not really a divinely authored or inspired text, and it was written and edited by man. Thus, they developed a “complete editorial” staff for the Old Testament and divided their “schools of editors” into various factions: those that favored Jehovah, those that favored Elohim, the priests, etc. Each group wrote his portion/emphasis of the Old Testament. The liberal emphasis thus took God completely out of the picture. Who then cared about Him or what he had to say about Israel?
(The writer credits several on-line, as well as other sources, for their contribution to this article. The sources include, but are not limited to: h4cblog.com, theologicalstudies.org, The Survivors of Israel, Mark Eliot. Another excellent resource from a biblical point of is, The Coming Apocalypse, Renald Showers)
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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Are you saying Jesus' words are satanic?
Luke 20:9-19New International Version (NIV)[h=3]The Parable of the Tenants[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]He went on to tell the people this parable: “A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. [SUP]10 [/SUP]At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. [SUP]12 [/SUP]He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Then the owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.’
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. ‘This is the heir,’ they said. ‘Let’s kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.’ [SUP]15 [/SUP]So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
“What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? [SUP]16 [/SUP]He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.”
When the people heard this, they said, “God forbid!”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Jesus looked directly at them and asked, “Then what is the meaning of that which is written:
“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone’[SUP][a][/SUP]?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.
and
Luke 14:15-24New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]The Parable of the Great Banquet[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. [SUP]17 [/SUP]At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. [SUP]24 [/SUP]I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”
Can you deny these are direct statements by Jesus denying the Jews both the land and the inheritance of the kingdom of God?
I'm not saying they can't be saved, but only through Christ
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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I also do not believe in the rapture.
I believe the beast of revelations will be allowed to create a global government for 3 and a half years while the church is systematically hunted and killed, after which Jesus will return and the beast will be imprisoned. At that point God will defeat evil and take the multitude of Christians and gather them to Israel and restore his holy hill on Zion and reign there in Israel for a thousand years. After a thousand years, the beast will be unleashed again and there will be a great war. Israel will be attacked and stand.
But Israel of today is a synagogue of satan - full of false jews
I believe the beast of revelations will be allowed to create a global government for 3 and a half years while the church is systematically hunted and killed, after which Jesus will return and the beast will be imprisoned. At that point God will defeat evil and take the multitude of Christians and gather them to Israel and restore his holy hill on Zion and reign there in Israel for a thousand years. After a thousand years, the beast will be unleashed again and there will be a great war. Israel will be attacked and stand.
But Israel of today is a synagogue of satan - full of false jews
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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Galatians 3:26-29 New International Version
[SUP]26 [/SUP]So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, [SUP]27 [/SUP]for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, [SUP]27 [/SUP]for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. [SUP]29 [/SUP]If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert
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Jeremiah 31:31-34 New International Version
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP][a][/SUP] them,[SUP][b][/SUP]”
declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
Is not the new covenant with the Christians church? Yes, because the new temple is in our hearts and Jesus is the final sacrifice! We are the heirs of Abraham's promise. We have not replaced Israel, we are the continuation of God's promise.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[SUP][a][/SUP] them,[SUP][b][/SUP]”
declares the Lord.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
Is not the new covenant with the Christians church? Yes, because the new temple is in our hearts and Jesus is the final sacrifice! We are the heirs of Abraham's promise. We have not replaced Israel, we are the continuation of God's promise.
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Linda70
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It is obvious who the criminals (and perpetrators) are. Israel is simply defending what is rightfully theirs. The only goal of Hamas is to kill the Jews and annihilate Israel. The Israelis are not terrorists.