Very confused about Methuselah
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Hi Kerry,
The source is ancient Sumerian. Archeologists have known about this material for decades. Just pointing out a possible source for the biblical material.
The Sumerian King List (SKL) [CDLI Wiki]
This is a photo of one of the king lists. I believe it may have been found in Ur where according to the Bible Abraham originated. He may have been familiar with the stories of the great ages of kings. In fact it may have been common belief among the Sumerians that people of the distant past lived a very long time. Hence the Israelites may similarly have had a Bronze Age tradition of their sacred ancestors living an equally long time. This doesn't mean that we in the modern age must believe the Bronze Age claims that people lived 900 plus years.
The source is ancient Sumerian. Archeologists have known about this material for decades. Just pointing out a possible source for the biblical material.
The Sumerian King List (SKL) [CDLI Wiki]
This is a photo of one of the king lists. I believe it may have been found in Ur where according to the Bible Abraham originated. He may have been familiar with the stories of the great ages of kings. In fact it may have been common belief among the Sumerians that people of the distant past lived a very long time. Hence the Israelites may similarly have had a Bronze Age tradition of their sacred ancestors living an equally long time. This doesn't mean that we in the modern age must believe the Bronze Age claims that people lived 900 plus years.
Hi Kerry,
The source is ancient Sumerian. Archeologists have known about this material for decades. Just pointing out a possible source for the biblical material.
The Sumerian King List (SKL) [CDLI Wiki]
This is a photo of one of the king lists. I believe it may have been found in Ur where according to the Bible Abraham originated. He may have been familiar with the stories of the great ages of kings. In fact it may have been common belief among the Sumerians that people of the distant past lived a very long time. Hence the Israelites may similarly have had a Bronze Age tradition of their sacred ancestors living an equally long time. This doesn't mean that we in the modern age must believe the Bronze Age claims that people lived 900 plus years.
The source is ancient Sumerian. Archeologists have known about this material for decades. Just pointing out a possible source for the biblical material.
The Sumerian King List (SKL) [CDLI Wiki]
This is a photo of one of the king lists. I believe it may have been found in Ur where according to the Bible Abraham originated. He may have been familiar with the stories of the great ages of kings. In fact it may have been common belief among the Sumerians that people of the distant past lived a very long time. Hence the Israelites may similarly have had a Bronze Age tradition of their sacred ancestors living an equally long time. This doesn't mean that we in the modern age must believe the Bronze Age claims that people lived 900 plus years.
Some would say it is the word of those who wrote it. For example in Numbers 22:28 it may say, "Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth...", but I would contend it is not God who is saying "Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth", but the human author of the text who wrote those words. Similarly in Genesis a human author is recording the old oral tradition that people of the past lived longer lives. I am only asking you to examine the cultural context that this text was composed within. The author of the king list recorded a tradition of their kings in the distant past having reign of many hundreds of years. The earlier dates are of many thousands of years, but closer to the contemporary author of the king list the age of the kings is comparable to the age of people in historical times. Did you see that the reign of one king was said to be 36,000 years! Examine the ages on the list. Sumerian King List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anthropologists studying human remains from the past commonly find signs of trauma (from war) and disease. I am not going to take the time to find the sources but I have read that even some Neanderthal remains display evidence of disease (including arthritis, abscessed teeth, and so on). You are simply talking through your hat, as my mother would say. I would ask you to examine the anthropological evidence. There is absolutely no evidence that people of the past lived disease free lives of hundreds of years. If you think this is so then try to find the physical evidence. There is none, but there is plenty to show you that the opposite was true. People lived shorter lives in the distant past.
Anthropologists studying human remains from the past commonly find signs of trauma (from war) and disease. I am not going to take the time to find the sources but I have read that even some Neanderthal remains display evidence of disease (including arthritis, abscessed teeth, and so on). You are simply talking through your hat, as my mother would say. I would ask you to examine the anthropological evidence. There is absolutely no evidence that people of the past lived disease free lives of hundreds of years. If you think this is so then try to find the physical evidence. There is none, but there is plenty to show you that the opposite was true. People lived shorter lives in the distant past.
I think you have to remember that Adam and Eve were created perfect before they sinned and I would imagine that God intended for them to live forever had they not sinned. They were eating the perfect diet and did not have all the pollution and chemicals that we have to deal with thousands of years later. When you read the Bible man's life shortened dramatically after the flood when meat eating was introduced to our diet. We have so many different problems now heart problems, diabetic issues, liver failure... and on and on till we are only allotted about 70 years now to live.
If you suggest it is illogical, please prove the illogic.
If you add up the genealogy years in Genesis 5 you learn that it indicates that Methuselah died in the year of the flood! That raises the question, did Methuselah drown in the flood? He could have died the same year. Assuming direct descent, his father Enoch was raptured before then.
If you add up the genealogy years in Genesis 5 you learn that it indicates that Methuselah died in the year of the flood! That raises the question, did Methuselah drown in the flood? He could have died the same year. Assuming direct descent, his father Enoch was raptured before then.
Thanks for the comment, Ukorin.
Of course it seems to presuppose that Methuselah is a Hebrew word. I don't know any reason to suppose that Enoch spoke Hebrew when he named Methuselah. I suppose we could postulate the Moses gave a translated version of his name. Also, I don't know how to account for the U in the name with that meaning.
Of course it seems to presuppose that Methuselah is a Hebrew word. I don't know any reason to suppose that Enoch spoke Hebrew when he named Methuselah. I suppose we could postulate the Moses gave a translated version of his name. Also, I don't know how to account for the U in the name with that meaning.
I believe that the patriarch 'ages' are provided for another reason, and do not directly translate to our years as we know them.
YEC's, however, fall in love with them, and end up trying to sum them together to arrive at a date for creation.
Then, they invent 'no death at all before sin' and 'canopy theories' and other such things in an attempt to explain death and decay....albeit death and decay have always existed in the Universe since the very beginning.
Silly...
YEC's, however, fall in love with them, and end up trying to sum them together to arrive at a date for creation.
Then, they invent 'no death at all before sin' and 'canopy theories' and other such things in an attempt to explain death and decay....albeit death and decay have always existed in the Universe since the very beginning.
Silly...