Did God Tell Hosea to Marry a Prostitute?

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Jason0047

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Also, I want you to stop for a moment. Put down your Bible. Think. How can you explain the morality of God telling Hosea to marry a prostitute. Stop. Don't pick up your Bible. I want you to explain to me how that is good and moral. See. God gives people a sense of right and wrong. They know when something is good or evil. What disturbs me is that people are falling all over themselves to defend something that is obviously immoral. Unless you can explain it to me, I am going to keep thinking you are defending a God who does not have a trust worthy sense of morality or goodness.

So I want you talk to me about the moral issue (Without using your Bible). Can you do that?
 
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Jason0047 said:
Also, I want you to stop for a moment. Put down your Bible. Think. How can you explain the morality of God telling Hosea to marry a prostitute. Stop. Don't pick up your Bible. I want you to explain to me how that is good and moral. See. God gives people a sense of right and wrong. They know when something is good or evil. What disturbs me is that people are falling all over themselves to defend something that is obviously immoral. Unless you can explain it to me. I am all ears.

So I want you talk to me about the moral issue (Without using your Bible). Can you do that?
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in exactly the same way that the Lord sent His Son to save me, a sinner, and held me in the hollow of His hand even while my heart rebelled against Him, with unfathomable, illogical patience, mercy and kindness, wholly undeserved, foolishness to human reasoning and wise beyond any human understanding.

didn't He also love you while you in no way earned it?
 
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But God would never allow a good man of God who was faithful to Him to be married to someone who is not faithful..
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maybe you would be edified to browse the prayer request and family sections of the forum...
 
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posthuman said:
in exactly the same way that the Lord sent His Son to save me, a sinner, and held me in the hollow of His hand even while my heart rebelled against Him, with unfathomable, illogical patience, mercy and kindness, wholly undeserved, foolishness to human reasoning and wise beyond any human understanding.

didn't He also love you while you in no way earned it?
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Again, your not making any sense. Before becoming a believer: You are not unfaithful to God because you never had a relationship with God to begin with. That is why you needed to become born again into the family of God to begin with so as to enter the New Covnenant by His blood. For there is a natural birth and a spiritual birth.

Also, you can't have grace, mercy, or forgiveness unless you repent of your sins, and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. No repentance. No forgiveness. For if this was not the case, then the whole world would be saved.
 
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Again, your not making any sense. You are not unfaithful to God because you never had a relationship with God to begin with (Before becoming a believer). That is why you needed to become born again into the family of God to begin with so as to enter the New Covnenant by His blood. For there is a natural birth and a spiritual birth.

Also, you can't have grace, mercy, or forgiveness unless you repent of your sins, and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. No repentance. No forgiveness. For if this was not the case, then the whole world would be saved.
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my relationship with God did not begin with me seeking Him, but Him foreknowing, creating, and calling me.
being able to repent - having the will and power to do so - is also His mercy. no glory is mine!
 
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posthuman said:
maybe you would be edified to browse the prayer request and family sections of the forum...
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No normal couple marries each other while one of them is cheating on them. Unless the one who has cheated seeks forgiveness and receives mercy, then they would normally marry.
 
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my relationship with God did not begin with me seeking Him, but Him foreknowing, creating, and calling me. being able to repent - having the will and power to do so - is also His mercy. no glory is mine!
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So the Judgment is just a farce then. God condemns man at a Judgment for something He actually did. Yeah, I am sorry, my friend. You logic doesn't make any sense.
 
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posthuman

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No normal couple marries each other while one of them is cheating on them. Unless the one who has cheated seeks forgiveness and receives mercy, then they would normally marry.
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i do not know of any "normal" couples lol.

seriously, there is a lot more variation and complexity to human interaction than you may be aware of.

if you don't think there are any couples existing where one is unfaithful and the other honors God, there are probably 1,000 examples of exactly that in the pages of this forum alone.
 
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So the Judgment is just a farce then. God condemns man at a Judgment for something He actually did.
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One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?
“Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

(Romans 9:19-21)
 
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Again, explain to me the morality of why God told Hosea to marry a prostitute? How is that moral? You really didn't explain that one to me. Saying that you are a sinner in need of grace is not the answer. You didn't receive forgiveness without repentance.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Again, explain to me the morality of why God told Hosea to marry a prostitute? How is that moral? You really didn't explain that one to me. Saying that you are a sinner in need of grace is not the answer. You didn't receive forgiveness without repentance.
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answer me first then,

explain to me the morality of Christ dying for sinners.
 
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One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?
“Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

(Romans 9:19-21)
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You are taking the verse out of context to defend a false view of Scripture. You are not actually answering the question as to why the Judgment would be a farce. You are just throwing your arms up as if it is some big mystery that we cannot know. It is the same with the topic on Hosea, too. You are not really telling me how such an action by God is good.
 
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answer me first then,

explain to me the morality of Christ dying for sinners.
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The morality is that Christ was dying in our place so as to cancel out our sin problem or debt so that WE COULD RECEIVE THE FREE GIFT BY FAITH. You CANNOT HAVE the free gift IF YOU DO NOT RECEIVE IT. God was not approving of sin when He died in our place. He walked a sinless life so as to be our substitute. Jesus never condoned sin. Ever. Not once. Ever.
 
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Jason0047 said:
You are taking the verse out of context to defend a false view of Scripture. You are not actually answering the question as to why the Judgment would be a farce. You are just throwing your arms up as if it is some big mystery that we cannot know. It is the same with the topic on Hosea, too. You are not really telling me how such an action by God is good.
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God's sovereignty isn't a "cop out"

have you read what God answered Job?

read Romans again. the context of this passage is exactly that of whether God is subject to human judgement of morality or character.

i am not proving to you that God meets your standards of judgement because God is not subject to your standards, or mine, or anyone's. God is God because He is God and He is good because He says He is; not because i have a standard of good i hold up and He matches it.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Again, explain to me the morality of why God told Hosea to marry a prostitute? How is that moral? You really didn't explain that one to me. Saying that you are a sinner in need of grace is not the answer. You didn't receive forgiveness without repentance.
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“The LORD said to Hosea, ‘Go, take to yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom.’” Hosea obeyed, marrying a woman named Gomer, who was unfaithful to him. Why did God tell Hosea to marry a prostitute?


Read more: Why did God tell Hosea to marry a prostitute (Hosea 1:2)?​
 
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Jason0047 said:
The morality is that Christ was dying in our place so as to cancel out our sin problem or debt so that WE COULD RECEIVE THE FREE GIFT BY FAITH. You CANNOT HAVE the free gift IF YOU DO NOT RECEIVE IT. God was not approving of sin when He died in our place. He walked a sinless life so as to be our substitute. Jesus never condoned sin. Ever. Not once. Ever.
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and Gomer indeed married Hosea, accepting his proposal.

i bet she was a bit shocked too, that he would want her for a bride.
probably he explained to her that God had told him to do this.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Also, I want you to stop for a moment. Put down your Bible. Think. How can you explain the morality of God telling Hosea to marry a prostitute. Stop. Don't pick up your Bible. I want you to explain to me how that is good and moral. See. God gives people a sense of right and wrong. They know when something is good or evil. What disturbs me is that people are falling all over themselves to defend something that is obviously immoral. Unless you can explain it to me, I am going to keep thinking you are defending a God who does not have a trust worthy sense of morality or goodness.

So I want you talk to me about the moral issue (Without using your Bible). Can you do that?
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If she marries and turns from her old ways and is faithful to her husband
...she is redeemed and no longer a whore.
She is then sanctified through her Godly husband as an heir to the kingdom.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Also, I want you to stop for a moment. Put down your Bible. Think. How can you explain the morality of God telling Hosea to marry a prostitute. Stop. Don't pick up your Bible. I want you to explain to me how that is good and moral. See. God gives people a sense of right and wrong. They know when something is good or evil. What disturbs me is that people are falling all over themselves to defend something that is obviously immoral. Unless you can explain it to me, I am going to keep thinking you are defending a God who does not have a trust worthy sense of morality or goodness.

So I want you talk to me about the moral issue (Without using your Bible). Can you do that?
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"I am going to keep thinking you are defending a God who does not have a trust worthy sense of morality or goodness."

Maybe you ought to quit "thinking" and start depending on the Bible while you insist others answer your question(s) "Without using" it.

Maybe you ought to pick up your Bible instead of asking others to "Put" theirs down.

The answer to your question (below), "How can you explain the morality of God telling Hosea to marry a prostitute." may be satisfactory to you as well as help you to understand "the morality of God". A God that none of us will ever totally understand why He does what He does or fully understand His "morality".

Why did God tell Hosea to marry a prostitute (Hosea 1:2)?
 
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To Jason, You are the product of today's cult of Fundamentalism. It is really a damnable heresy which is taking many to Hell. You can not get anything right, because you will not read God's word, without your false interpretation of it, which adds to, deletes from, or twists the word of God, beyond recognition. You will not read Romans 6:23 with v.22, you isolate v.23 which makes eternal life a free GIFT, that is RECEIVED by REPENTING and FAITH in Jesus only. But, if you read v.23 in light of v. 22, you would see that eternal life is the GIFT of GOD'S free grace, in transforming the sinner into a holy person, who, repents, trusts and obeys Jesus to receive eternal life in the person of Jesus, by receiving JESUS into our lives, we receive eternal life. BUT, the free gift is NOT received, it is GIVEN to us by GOD Himself. We are DEAD in SIN, and DEAD sinners can not receive anything from GOD. Once God saves us, we are enabled by God to Repent, trust and obey Jesus for eternal life. Eph. 2:8-10 is the same truth, FAITH and GOOD WORKS are the Gifts of God's free grace. Love to all, Hoffco
 
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Uh huh. So why can't explain the morality behind God telling Hosea to marry a prostitute?
 
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