It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security

[Atwood]

Cut Off That Arm of Flesh, Pride

Recall that old hymn,
"Stand Up, Stand Up, For Jesus"?

"The arm of flesh will fail you;
ye dare not trust your own."

Thus those who hold on to salvation by works, need to cut off that part of them, though it be so dear, that part called "pride," expressed by boasting.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Cut off the pride of thinking your good works will get your approved & into Heaven. Take the place of the publican and cry out, "God be merciful to me a sinner." You shall be saved by grace through faith (trusting the Savior) or not at all! Pride keeps you in sin. The Lord Jesus delivers you (if you trust Him) out of sin.

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

It may indeed be painful to cut off the arm of pride and trust in the Savior, confessing to be a sinner in desperate need of a Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

The is the author & perfecter of our faith. The Philippians were assured that He who began a good work in you will complete it. But has the work been begun in you?

There is but one MUST I DO for salvation:

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved.
No ifs, ands, or buts.

 

[Atwood]

John 3:14-19

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who believes not hath been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.

If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies who is he who condemns?

[Rest assured that unbelievers here who might like to condemn, don't get any opportunity at it.]

 

[Atwood]

Re: ETERNAL SECURITY IS PART OF SALVATION

Jesus my Lord will love me forever;

from Him no power of evil can sever;

He gave His life to ransom my soul;

Now I belong to Him;



Now I belong to Jesus;

Jesus belongs to me;

Not for the years of time alone;

But for eternity.

. . . that whosoever believes in Him
should not perish,
but have everlasting life.

 

[newbirth]

John 3:14-19

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who believes not hath been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God.

Your ASV says this...... is it wrong now?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

If God is for us, who is against us? He who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God who justifies who is he who condemns?

[Rest assured that unbelievers here who might like to condemn, don't get any opportunity at it.]

No one has condemned you ....just disagreed with your doctrine of man....it is you who condemn....
you judge anyone who does not support your doctrine of man as an unbeliever?

 

[newbirth]

Re: Cut Off That Arm of Flesh, Pride

Thus those who hold on to salvation by works, need to cut off that part of them, though it be so dear, that part called "pride," expressed by boasting.

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Cut off the pride of thinking your good works will get your approved & into Heaven. Take the place of the publican and cry out, "God be merciful to me a sinner." You shall be saved by grace through faith (trusting the Savior) or not at all! Pride keeps you in sin. The Lord Jesus delivers you (if you trust Him) out of sin.



It may indeed be painful to cut off the arm of pride and trust in the Savior, confessing to be a sinner in desperate need of a Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.

No one has said salvation is by works...but this has been your main defence .......Faith without works is dead and you have been created unto good works....

The is the author & perfecter of our faith. The Philippians were assured that He who began a good work in you will complete it. But has the work been begun in you?

That is the big question ...has the work been begun in you? we are created unto good works....that is the work he has begun in us....but you reject it...

There is but one MUST I DO for salvation:

Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus [Christ], and you shall be saved.
No ifs, ands, or buts.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. ...

 

[Atwood]

Roman 8; Who but a Blind Man Wud Not See Eternal Security Here?

24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of 17the body of this death? 25 18I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. [The KJV adds stuff on here which is not in the oldest manuscripts & is rightly exluded. The following context indicates that since the Lord declares the believer righteous, no one can condemn the believer, including the unbelievers who deny the Savior & post here.]

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: 7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be: 8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh: 13 for if ye live after the flesh, ye must die; but if by the Spirit ye put to death the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God: 17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.

[The inheritance is based upon the new birth, begotten of God, having a new nature from Him. And the inheritance, as Peter tells us, is incorruptible, undefiled, fades not away, reserved in Heaven for us who are kept by the power of God.]


18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24 For in hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth for that which he seeth? 25 But if we hope for that which we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.


26 And in like manner the Spirit also helpeth our infirmity: for we know not how to pray as we ought; but the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered; 27 and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.

[Unbreakable, Golden Chain follows:]


29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: 30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.


31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; 34 who is he that condemneth?

[Some who post here make a stab at it, to no avail.]

It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Atwood]

Re: ROMANS 3:23 ETC.

Sing it:

Complete in thee, no work of mine;
Can take, dear Lord, the place of thine;
Thy blood has pardon bought for me,
And I am now, complete in thee!

He who began a good work in you is able to complete it.

Jesus Christ, the author & the perfecter of our faith.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

I give them eternal life, & they shall never perish!

 

[sparkman]

When you study you need to read the whole bible.
the reason certain portions are no longer read or believed is because those with their own theology know those scriptures would blow their theories

Read the bible completely through once in prayer from Genesis to Revelation
and you will never again say once saved always saved.


Many will say LOR LORD have we not worshipped, taught, cast out demons in your name?
and Jesus said
Get away fropm me you sinners who refuse to change and follow me
(Workers of sin)

Clear as a bell in the bible all the old testmament stories tell us
if you do well you will be accepted
if you do evil you will be lost
adam, cain, Able, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph Caleb Joshua Gideon, Samson, SAUL DAVID Josiah Jeremiah Isaih hundreds of stories

the obedient are rewarded and the disobedient lost.
Revelation says

Once saved always saved will no save you if you take the mark of the Beast

you better find out what the
Markl of the Beast is
the number of the beast is
the name of the Beast is
and the image of the beast is

If you take them you WILL be thrown into the lake of fire no matter what you profess.

and once saved always saved gives you a sense of security, that you dont have to worry cause you are going through
well,
you are not if you disobey God.

It seems like you aren't reading these Scriptures yourself..Jesus said he didn't know these people..they never had a relationship with Him to start with. They professed saving faith, but never possessed it.

Those who "fall away" from the faith were never saved to begin with, and their failure to persevere was proof of that.

 

[Warrior777]

Re: Roman 8; Who but a Blind Man Wud Not See Eternal Security Here?

24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of 17the body of this death? 25 18I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. [The KJV adds stuff on here which is not in the oldest manuscripts & is rightly exluded. The following context indicates that since the Lord declares the believer righteous, no one can condemn the believer, including the unbelievers who deny the Savior & post here.]

Rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

who do not walk according to the flesh,

but according to the Spirit


​If you quote scripture, don't take soundbites, quote the whole text in context!
The NIV leaves out stuff that are vital to the understanding and the correctness of scripture. The following scriptures in context shows and back up that this part in Rom 8:1 left out by some manuscripts fits very well in there and has to be in there to make a right biblical statement!:

Gal 5:16
I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

If you do not walk in the Spirit, you eventually will fulfill the lust of the flesh. And if you fulfill the lust of the flesh you are not of the Father. Now don't say that if you walk in the flesh you have never been saved, otherwise this scripture would not admonish you to walk in the Spirit so as NOT to fulfill the lust of the flesh. An unbeliever cannot walk in the Spirit and a believer obviously can walk in the flesh otherwise it would not give the warning NOT to do such a thing if it wasn't possible. Ergo: there IS condemnation for this who are in Christ Jesus, who walk according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit.

If you walk according to the flesh there is repentance needed to be restored back to God. Sin is a separation from God, if you die in your sins without repentance you will be separated from Him and lost in hell forever and will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9 )
Everything else is satanic HERESY and Doctrines of demons!

 

[Warrior777]

It seems like you aren't reading these Scriptures yourself..Jesus said he didn't know these people..they never had a relationship with Him to start with. They professed saving faith, but never possessed it.

Those who "fall away" from the faith were never saved to begin with, and their failure to persevere was proof of that.

Who said that they were never saved before? They were saved Christians, who kept sinning and commit lawless deeds, who expected to have Jesus, who they call Lord, welcome them to eternity with Him. But Jesus did not remember any of their righteous deeds anymore, in His eyes they were unrighteous sinners, just like unbelievers even though they were once saved.
The Bible says:
Ezek 18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not beremembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

If that is not enough:
Can you show me anybody that is "unsaved", without the Holy Spirit and able to successfully cast out demons?

 

[Warrior777]

Those who "fall away" from the faith were never saved to begin with, and their failure to persevere was proof of that.

Also how can you "fall away" from something that you never had to begin with, how can you be "of the faith" and not be saved?
Were the authors of the scriptures paranoid or confused?

Rom 10:10
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

They obviously believed wholeheartedly that Jesus was their Lord that they worshiped and also confessed this with their mouth as it can be seen, they were even teachers of what they believed.

 

[Skinski7]

Re: Roman 8; Who but a Blind Man Wud Not See Eternal Security Here?

If you do not walk in the Spirit, you eventually will fulfill the lust of the flesh. And if you fulfill the lust of the flesh you are not of the Father. Now don't say that if you walk in the flesh you have never been saved, otherwise this scripture would not admonish you to walk in the Spirit so as NOT to fulfill the lust of the flesh. An unbeliever cannot walk in the Spirit and a believer obviously can walk in the flesh otherwise it would not give the warning NOT to do such a thing if it wasn't possible. Ergo: there IS condemnation for this who are in Christ Jesus, who walk according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit.

If you walk according to the flesh there is repentance needed to be restored back to God. Sin is a separation from God, if you die in your sins without repentance you will be separated from Him and lost in hell forever and will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9 )
Everything else is satanic HERESY and Doctrines of demons!

Firstly I agree with your sentiment.

The second part of Rom 8:1 was in fact added by the translators but they did this because Rom 8:4 repeats matches the sentiment they inserted in verse 1. Thus even though the original text does not specifically state "who walk after the Spirit" the context most definitely upholds it as truth.

People often use Rom 8:1 but ignore verses 2,3 and 4.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

It is the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ which sets us free and this freedom is only effected when we are walking after the Spirit. One cannot be "in" Christ and be walking after the flesh. The false theology views salvation as an abstraction instead of a manifest state. With salvation being an abstraction to them manifest sin becomes permissible.

Anyway good post although I would like to add that any who views this...

If you walk according to the flesh there is repentance needed to be restored back to God.

...as meaning that one can sin not and repent later I would caution them. Repentance is a gift from God and is only possible whilst God strives with you. There is no guarantee that God will strive with us for any amount of time and thus despising His grace is a very dangerous thing. If God is to give us over to our lusts and a depraved mind the door to repentance is closed and we simply may not be able to find the godly sorrow that works a genuine repentance unto salvation.

Sin is very serious, sin is very deceptive, and sin is very dangerous.

 

[sparkman]

Who said that they were never saved before? They were saved Christians, who kept sinning and commit lawless deeds, who expected to have Jesus, who they call Lord, welcome them to eternity with Him. But Jesus did not remember any of their righteous deeds anymore, in His eyes they were unrighteous sinners, just like unbelievers even though they were once saved.
The Bible says:
Ezek 18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not beremembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

If that is not enough:
Can you show me anybody that is "unsaved", without the Holy Spirit and able to successfully cast out demons?

Read what it says. Jesus said "I never knew you". Many Pentecostals and other "miracle workers" claim to prophesy, cast out demons, etcetera....whether it is genuine at all or comes from God is the question.

Jesus says here clearly that he "never knew" them. They never had a relationship with him at all.

Matt 7: [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

[sparkman]

Who said that they were never saved before? They were saved Christians, who kept sinning and commit lawless deeds, who expected to have Jesus, who they call Lord, welcome them to eternity with Him. But Jesus did not remember any of their righteous deeds anymore, in His eyes they were unrighteous sinners, just like unbelievers even though they were once saved.
The Bible says:
Ezek 18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not beremembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

If that is not enough:
Can you show me anybody that is "unsaved", without the Holy Spirit and able to successfully cast out demons?

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Regarding your indication that Ezekiel 18 negates the doctrine of eternal security:

First, I don't like the term "Once Saved Always Saved". I prefer the phrase "Perseverance of the Holy Spirit".

The phrase "Once Saved Always Saved" conveys the idea of "easy believism"; that someone can be saved, and go off and never care a whit for God and works of appreciation and love for Him. This term is more of a slander to monergists in my opinion, although I believe that anyone who is really saved will never lose that salvation. But, true faith produces works, as James said. The works are not to earn or merit salvation, though, they are done out of appreciation and love for God...not in slavish fear like those who try to deny eternal security possess.

A saved individual can backslide, even for long periods of time, but the Lord will chasten him and bring back the errant sheep into the fold, no matter what it takes. If someone leaves a profession of faith, and never returns, this is proof that they never possessed the faith....they only had a false profession of faith. Scriptures are consistent with this view.

I view this issue of eternal security to be one of maturity. Immature believers really don't understand the full nature of the grace of God and his unending love for those he's saved. So while a person can be saved and have a works oriented salvation, like I believe most who deny eternal security have, they are still saved. They are a bit like a man who goes on a cruise, and fills his luggage with cheese and peanut butter and crackers....unaware of the smorgasbord that is included in the price of the cruise...instead he stays in his small room and eats inferior food rather than enjoying the good stuff that he should be enjoying.

As a monergist, I believe God is sovereign in all things INCLUDING salvation. If anyone sincerely desires to study this in more depth, I highly recommend this pdf document.

http://www.wholesomewords.org/etexts...de/eternal.pdf


Regarding the specific verses that the thread originator posts, I will refer you to the PDF document but am producing the section that covers this verse here. Read this carefully and think about what it's saying. Realize that there was a difference in the covenant that God had with ancient Israel, which was one of works/law and material/national promises, and the one that he has with Christians, which is one of faith/grace and spiritual/individual promises. This is the difference between what it means to be an Israelite and a Christian. Some in the Old Testament had a real relationship with God based on faith, such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, the prophets....however as the Old Testament clearly teaches, the nation of Israel as a whole didn't have that sort of relationship and never followed God wholeheartedly.
Q. Ezekiel 18: 24: "But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?"

A. Is it not strange for anyone in this dispensation of grace to quote a passage like that, as though it had anything to do with the question of the soul's salvation? Go back and read Ezekiel 18. Of what is it treating?

We read in the twenty-first verse, "If the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die." Is that grace? No, that is law.

That is just the quintessence of law. Do you believe that if a wicked man turns from his wickedness he will live?

If this is true, why did Jesus die? Would you preach that to sinners? Would you have me stand up and say, "You wicked people, you have been doing wickedness; you start in tonight to do righteousness and you will live"-would you have me preach that? I would be deliberately deceiving people if I told them that.

But you see here God was testing people under law and said, "The man that turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?

All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die."

And what has happened? Not one man ever continued in all the things that are written in the book of the law to do them. Therefore, they were all under sentence of death. How then were they to be saved?

By turning over a new leaf? Oh, no; but by confessing that they had no righteousness. If they had, it would only be filthy rags. But now they find all their righteousness in the Lord Jesus Christ, "who of God is made unto us wisdom, righteousness, sanctification, and redemption."

Do not ever quote Ezekiel 18 as though it were gospel. It is law. And then remember the "life" spoken of in Ezekiel is not eternal life in Christ. It is life here on earth prolonged under the divine government, because of obedience, or cut short because of sin

 

[Atwood]

Re: Roman 8; Who but a Blind Man Wud Not See Eternal Security Here?

The second part of Rom 8:1 was in fact added by the translators but they did this because Rom 8:4 repeats matches the sentiment they inserted in verse 1.

It does not repeat it at all, but give an explanation "For . . . ."
Rom 8:1 states a sweeping general principle that Believers (in Christ Jesus) have NO condemnation. The immediate preceding context is the defeat in the state of carnality of the Christian in Romans. Rom 8:1 implies that the born again believer is not condemned to the defeat and state of carnality of Rom 7.

The escape from carnality is found in 8:4

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

There are two ways of walking for the Christian:
after the flesh (old man) and
after the Spirit.
the struggle is delineated in Gal 5 where the flesh does not stop lusting vs the Spirit.

One cannot be "in" Christ and be walking after the flesh.

Utterly false, there is a big difference between IN & AFTER (according to, kata in Greek). All Christian have the Spirit, but at times we do not walk in accordance with the Spirit. You would have to argue that Christians never sin or lose their salvation (a non-Biblical concept) every time they sin -- and in many ways we all stumble.

The false theology views salvation as an abstraction

This is a straw man. The Word teaches, Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins. That is no abstraction, neither does it mean the Christian cannot sin nor need 1 John 1:9 "If WE (Chrstians) confess our sins.

Sin is very serious, sin is very deceptive, and sin is very dangerous.

Indeed it is. And it is very dangerous for someone to go on about sin, when he himself has never been saved from sin, regarding Christ as chance-giver, instead of Savior.

The no condemnation is further illuminated in the verses that follow where "condemnation" is repeated as something no one can do to Christians, as God has declared them righteous.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Such a Blessing to Have a Permanent Guanteed Inheritance

Jesus loves me, this I know;
For the Bible tells me so;
Little ones to Him belong,
They are weak, but He is strong,


Yes, Jesus loves me;
Yes, Jesus loves me;
Yes, Jesus loves me;
The Bible tells me so.


1 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; 34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Atwood]

Also how can you "fall away" from something that you never had to begin with,

Your "fall away" verse (not even quoted) does not even mention "salvation," "save," or "Savior." You are advised in considering the doctrine of salvation to make of first importance those verse which do use those terms or something like "receive eternal life."

A dog can chase a truck & then fall away from it without ever having gotten in the truck.

how can you be "of the faith" and not be saved?
Were the authors of the scriptures paranoid or confused?

That is just you saying things. No scripture whatever. 1 john 2 tells us that whoever is "of us" remains & that those who apostatize where never "of us."

[/quote]Rom 10:10
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

They obviously believed wholeheartedly that Jesus was their Lord that they worshiped and also confessed this with their mouth as it can be seen, they were even teachers of what they believed.[/QUOTE]

You obviously add things not in the verse you quote. What is obvious is that heart-belief leads to righteousness, and that you couldn't be made righteous without being saved.

Confess = homologeo = hom(o) + log + eo = same + saying + verb ending = say the same, agree with. It is necessary to agree with God that Jesus is YHWH (Lord, as in context, Rom 10:13). As always, there is but one human condition of salvation, namely belief/trust in Christ, Him being adequately defined including the definition as YHWH.

There is no mention of confessing to men, let alone teaching here.

In a nutshell, there is only one MUST-I-DO for salvation:
Sir, what MUST I DO to be saved?
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved.

What is salvation? It is being born again & receiving eternal life.

Thou shalt call HIs name Jesus, for
He shall save His people from their sins.

He who began a good work in you will complete it.

 

[Atwood]

Re: Roman 8; Who but a Blind Man Wud Not See Eternal Security Here?

Rom 8:1

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

There is nothing else in that verse. Your KJV addition is bogus. That addition is not in the oldest manuscripts.

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If you quote scripture, don't take soundbites, quote the whole text in context!

Did I not recently quote the whole chapter? And how do you know that soundbites should not be quoted? Was the Lord Jesus wrong to quote short soundbites??? Go read Mat 4,

The NIV leaves out stuff

I didn't quote the NIV. I usually quote the ASV (1901). The KJV addition does not belong in the text, as the NO CONDEMNATION is not restricted, as the following context shows, since God declares righteous, no one can condemn, certainly no one posting on this board.

Gal 5:16

I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

That passage is irrelevant to the issue at hand, that of the security of the believer in Christ. We have security in a guarantee of eternal life (they shall never perish), not a security of never sinning in this life. Gal 5 speaks of the way a believer avoids carnality -- nothing about salvation either as a new birth or for eternal life.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world.

If you do not walk in the Spirit, you eventually will fulfill the lust of the flesh. And if you fulfill the lust of the flesh you are not of the Father.

Utter rubbish. Christians certainly do sin. "If we confess our sins . . . ." You don't stop having a certain Father because you sinned.

Gal 5 says nothing against security, nor does it say that in any way a Christian is or may be condemned.

If you walk according to the flesh there is repentance needed to be restored back to God. Sin is a separation from God, if you die in your sins without repentance you will be separated from Him and lost in hell forever and will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9 )

Rubbish, 1 Cor 6:9 says no such thing. When a Christian sins (& in many things we all stumble), he does not enter a state of damnation -- no such teaching in the Bible. The Christian is not in & out of being a child of God every day as He sins.

I give them eternal life & they shall never perish. Indeed:

Everything else is satanic HERESY and Doctrines of demons!

 

[Atwood]

Ezek 18:24 But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

This makes good sense as physical death. It does not say "lose salvation" nor "stop being a child of God."

If that is not enough:
Can you show me anybody that is "unsaved", without the Holy Spirit and able to successfully cast out demons?

I would put Judas in the category of persons who were unsaved, indwelt by demons, yet had power which came from the Holy Spirit (Mat 10).

The topic is not "who can cast out demons," but

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish."

 

[Atwood]

Re: ROMANS 3:23 ETC.

Those who deny eternal security seem ever trying to establish their theory by quoting passages that say nothing about save, salvation, nor Savior.

Salvation is about a loving Savior who helps miserable sinfui men.
Such wretched sinners are made children of God and given the free gift of eternal life. That is what salvation is all about.

Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.

31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;

Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.