Here is another passage for the law/sabbath keepers to explain away........

[JesusIsAll]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Is Sabbath-keeping something Christians should do?

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

There's this: The four Jewish new years specified in Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1 are 1 Tishri, 15 Shevat, 1 Nisan, and 1 Elul.
(Source: My Jewish Learning =How Many Jewish New Years? In ancient times there were four new years on the Jewish calendar.By Michele Alperin )
I'm not one that studies as you do. I respect the Sabbath and I eat kosher whenever I'm of a mind because it's a better quality of foods in most cases. Though I am thinking of slowly graduating back to Vegetarian. I had far more energy then.

 

[just-me]

...so you bring sacrifices to the temple, are circumcised and eat kosher?

I'll answer your leading questions with scripture while I digest my BLTs

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Romans 12:1

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Colossians 2:11

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked .Deuteronomy 10:16
Thought I'd throw in some Old Testament law for ya.

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 2:29

That answer your questions as to what I know and believe?

Paul said (If I haven't posted this before) and I can say it also...."Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
You'll find that in Acts chapter 24

 

[just-me]

There's this: The four Jewish new years specified in Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1 are 1 Tishri, 15 Shevat, 1 Nisan, and 1 Elul.
(Source: My Jewish Learning =How Many Jewish New Years? In ancient times there were four new years on the Jewish calendar.By Michele Alperin )
I'm not one that studies as you do. I respect the Sabbath and I eat kosher whenever I'm of a mind because it's a better quality of foods in most cases. Though I am thinking of slowly graduating back to Vegetarian. I had far more energy then.

From what I read so did Daniel when he was in Babylon. He refused to eat the kings food an drink his wine. Vegetarian I mean. Chickens are good. Your good
The Biblical new year is only one referring to scripture Exodus 12: 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

I read of no other in the Bible the month of Nisan or Abib both names being the same month

 

[just-me]

BlackPlatypus
I didn't mean you were a chicken. It was too late to correct what might be taken in the wrong way. OOF DAH! Sorry... My wife says that. She's Norwegian. LOL

 

[Simona25]

I'll answer your leading questions with scripture while I digest my BLTs

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Romans 12:1

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Colossians 2:11

Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked .Deuteronomy 10:16
Thought I'd throw in some Old Testament law for ya.

But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Romans 2:29

That answer your questions as to what I know and believe?

Paul said (If I haven't posted this before) and I can say it also...."Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
You'll find that in Acts chapter 24

Thank you for your answer. So, the law has for you too a deeper meaning, the meaning revealed by Christ.

Thank God that Christ ABOLISHED the law of stoning to death the adulterous people.

 

[ELECT]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

Where in romans 14 is sabbath being discussed ? thanks

 

[ELECT]

since we are not under the law but under grace, do we need to keep the Ten Commandments any longer."

 

[ELECT]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

Is grace a “license” to sin? Does “not under the law” which mean grace has replaced it

 

[BlackPlatypus]

BlackPlatypus
I didn't mean you were a chicken. It was too late to correct what might be taken in the wrong way. OOF DAH! Sorry... My wife says that. She's Norwegian. LOL

It's OK. I knew what you meant.
I'll take your word on the the Nisan and Abib months. I respect your studies are superior to mine in those areas.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Where in romans 14 is sabbath being discussed ? thanks

Days. Seven days. Sunday through Saturday. Days are days. Why does that verse and the passage have to use the word sabbath?

Days, all of which can be esteemed ALIKE to some, I suppose every darned day of the year, even, lived to the Lord! (Ain't that revolutionary...) Don't really see what you're driving at. Neither am I likely the person to ask, not being a Jew or a Seventh Day Adventist, just a plain old, pesky Gentile in Christ, hard to put into bondage, nor do I do well arguing how many angels would fit on the head of a pin. Thanks.

 

[Simona25]

since we are not under the law but under grace, do we need to keep the Ten Commandments any longer."

It depends also on people's level of understanding. Some people are so barbarian that all they got from Christ was "thou shall not kill", "thou shall not commit adultery", "thou shall not steal" etc.

 

[just-me]

Thank you for your answer. So, the law has for you too a deeper meaning, the meaning revealed by Christ.

Thank God that Christ ABOLISHED the law of stoning to death the adulterous people.

That law still has spiritual meaning to the max. As we can conclude the physical and or carnal law has been replaced by the spiritual understanding of the law. It cannot be bypassed.

"For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:5-7

An example would be if we had a drunkard for a son. (Deuteronomy 21:20-21) The law says to stone the child. We would be convicted of murder if we actually did that today unlike ISIS for example. In the law we see many times that God says "so shalt thou put evil away from among you." If we are to fulfill the love of the law we will do all things possible to kill the sin (partition i.e. enmity) that holds us, our neighbor, and even our enemies apart from God. Stoning then, as in the law, is seen as a separation from sin in spiritual terms, for the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good. The principles thereof have always been the same from when it was first given. It's not void, so look and abide in the Spirit as preventive maintenance because obedience is better than sacrifice. Righteous fear. the right kind of fear.

Romans 7:12-14 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid . But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."

 

[ELECT]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Days. Seven days. Sunday through Saturday. Days are days. Why does that verse and the passage have to use the word sabbath?

Days, all of which can be esteemed ALIKE to some, I suppose every darned day of the year, even, lived to the Lord! (Ain't that revolutionary...) Don't really see what you're driving at. Neither am I likely the person to ask, not being a Jew or a Seventh Day Adventist, just a plain old, pesky Gentile in Christ, hard to put into bondage, nor do I do well arguing how many angels would fit on the head of a pin. Thanks.

Why do some say that the days mentioned are other days during which feasting, fasting or abstaining from certain foods was practiced and not the jewish sabbath ?

 

[ELECT]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.

Is this verse speaking about the jewish sabbath or pagan days ?

Gal 4:9-10 "But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

 

[JesusIsAll]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Why do some say that the days mentioned are other days during which feasting, fasting or abstaining from certain foods was practiced and not the jewish sabbath ?

I guess you should ask "some." Really, that verse and passage has always been to me about grace versus law. Again, I'm a Gentile, don't subscribe to any Judaizing Christian denominations, actually esteem every day alike, do not do sabbath observations, and am convinced in my conscience this is proper for me. So, I'm really not the person to ask, don't have any sabbath controversy to thrash around in. I just posted those verses, which are clear and plain to me.

 

[Simona25]

Just-me,

Do you understand what I write? I am talking about literally keeping the law, not about the spiritual meaning of the law. The thread is about those who keep the law, not about the spiritual meaning of it, and ignore the council of Jerusalem.

The Jerusalem Decree

22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,[e] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”[f] —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[g] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.

 

[just-me]

Re: Christians revere God/Jesus every day. Sabbath is special.

Why do some say that the days mentioned are other days during which feasting, fasting or abstaining from certain foods was practiced and not the jewish sabbath ?

The word Sabbath actually represents the quantity of 7. After 7 years the land rests, after 7 years debts are forgiven, after (49 years) 7 X 7 years (the 50th year) is the year of Jubilee and all property is given back to its rightful owner after indenturedment, or of debts because of whatever happened in the past. the feast of weeks is 7 X 7 weeks representing "first fruits" and that turns out to end on the same day as "Pentecost."

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." 1 Corinthians 15:20

It's all in the law.
As we know 7 has great Spiritual meaning. But let's just focus on one thing.

"And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." Matthew 6:12

LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF

 

[RedTent]

...so you bring sacrifices to the temple, are circumcised and eat kosher?

To mix in that scripture used many of these customs to communicate the truth of the Lord to people before Christ, mixing this with an explanation of Christ is misleading. Until the curtain in the temple was split that also split apart the way God used all this, it was of God. When the blood of Christ replaced many of these things, it used the very same ideas, only now it was Christ. The blood, the temple, the high priest, the truths of the Lord were the very same before the veil was split and after the veil was split---only now we have Christ to use. That is the difference.

Scripture tells us over and over not to use these rituals and customs instead of Christ---not for judging if someone uses them in their worship of Christ or if someone worships Christ without them. Yet millions of today's Christians are doing just that. They say Jews who accept Christ must never be kosher even if it has always been part of their life. They say that God should have never, ever given the feasts to explain His plan for the world. They say to know of the principles of the Father as the OT tells of them is to deny Christ that the OT tells all about.

Are you asking about sacrifice, circumcision, and kosher in the same frame of mind as these people against scripture? Or with the idea of using them instead of knowing Christ?

 

[Apostol2013]

Tell me one simple thing , who living in the spirit can sin?