Why don't we have a perfect bible today?
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The very first originals were written in a different language. God had told the people to set aside scribes that will keep the word from changing, but things has changed; they were put into captivity, and the scriptures has been taken away from them. The Scribes remembered some but not all because of being in captivity. Some of them started speaking the languages of their captors had spoken at the time and lost their own language that Abraham had once spoken. At the cross, they didn't understand what Jesus was saying; He was saying Eloi, but they were trying to figure out what He was saying, some had thought that He was calling on Elijah and which it sound close to Eloihim, and Jesus had to translated the word "Peter" from the original language to their language which was Greek. Since Jesus had kept everything, He also had kept the language that was spoken at the time of the covenant, and even His bloodline had still remained the same from Abraham's. He was a son of a carpenter (someone that restore old things and make them new) that he was able to read the scriptures and filled in the blanks at the Temple, ever since He were at the age of twelve, and which the people were amazed at Him that he was able to read and understand the scriptures. Its says that He is leaving behind His spirit to help us to understand everything.
The remarkable thing about scripture, according to the men who discovered some written 300 years before Christ, is that it was so much the same when it was copied by men by hand.
You see evidence that the KJV is so perfectly dependable, I see evidence it is the best translation God helped men make, but men who reflected what people though God said in 1600. I see evidence that depending on this translation by men must NOT be accepted the same way the original as God breathed it is to be accepted. Unless we go into the way the world thought of God in 1600, we can't watch this translation for being influenced by the prevailing thought. They did remarkably well, but they were not perfect and they did not listen to only God without any influence by thought of the times, thought that twisted God's word.
You see evidence that the KJV is so perfectly dependable, I see evidence it is the best translation God helped men make, but men who reflected what people though God said in 1600. I see evidence that depending on this translation by men must NOT be accepted the same way the original as God breathed it is to be accepted. Unless we go into the way the world thought of God in 1600, we can't watch this translation for being influenced by the prevailing thought. They did remarkably well, but they were not perfect and they did not listen to only God without any influence by thought of the times, thought that twisted God's word.
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Absolutely right Tintin, And I had four different versions, and they all came close enough to get the true meaning across the way God intended it. The biggest problem with ANY version or ANY translation is how the reader interprets what they read. They all say the same thing, but too many people get too nitpicky about each and every little word or punctuation. The word of God was made simple and with the power of the Holy Spirit, the true meaning of any will be totaly clear. Blessings
The remarkable thing about Scripture is that ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness to lead the man into perfection and into every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). A corrupt word cannot lead me into perfection or every good work. A tainted Word cannot do that.
If it's true, then why not believe it? Or is this passage in error? Maybe another manuscript will appear one day that will cast doubt upon it. See, that's what I am talking about. You are going about this the whole wrong way. It's faith in God's Word first, then you can see spiritually on this matter, my friend.
There are some undeniable facts that you have to come to grips with
1. We do not have ANY original MSS.
2. Every MSS we have extant was copied my men.
3. Men did not copy by inspiration.
4. It is therefore conceivable that every MSS we have found contains some copying errors.
5. There are very few significant variances between the early MSS.
6. Most variances can be attributed to a number of factors that have nothing to do with deliberate attempts to deceive.
7. It must also be recognized that God has preserved his word for us in just this way. So, who are we to question how God has preserved his word?
1. We do not have ANY original MSS.
2. Every MSS we have extant was copied my men.
3. Men did not copy by inspiration.
4. It is therefore conceivable that every MSS we have found contains some copying errors.
5. There are very few significant variances between the early MSS.
6. Most variances can be attributed to a number of factors that have nothing to do with deliberate attempts to deceive.
7. It must also be recognized that God has preserved his word for us in just this way. So, who are we to question how God has preserved his word?
Jason, doesn't the corruption of the Word of God come more from our inability to understand the written word, than from the introduction of many translations of the word. Today, I can compare any scripture from virtually all the current translations from my keyboard in a few seconds. I can read the text it in the original language from my keyboard. I have a dozen or more concordances at my finger tips. It is much more difficult for the word to be corrupted by the use of a particular translation.
What are you doing in order to find the least tainted word? I have spent a lot of effort looking for the answer to that. You are looking at translations themselves to decide how to do that and I think that is not the way to do it. In fact, I think scripture tells us it is not the correct way. I have posted some things that I think can be done to find the word with the least corruption in it.
We do have a Perfect Book: Christ. He is the book of life.
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
John 1:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He is the book of life. God's Elect are written in His Life.
We [His Elect] are the thought of God. [Gr. "word" = "thought"]
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
John 1:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He is the book of life. God's Elect are written in His Life.
We [His Elect] are the thought of God. [Gr. "word" = "thought"]
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You don't have a time machine to prove what is true or not true. All you can go by is what text is most pure and lines up with the present Word of God for our world language today. If you can't find a text that lines up with the King James, then you have not looked hard enough. For KJV folks have no problem pointing them out.
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A time machine is not necessary. These are simple facts. Translations are NEVER the standard. All translations without exception have issues with translational errors. This is due to a number of reasons. Sometimes these variations reflect the bias of the translators, whether it is a translational comity or an individual as in the case of the Phillips translation or the Moffit translation or the Berkley translation or the McCord translation, etc. Sometimes it is due to the fact that there are some words in the Hebrew or the Greek languages that simply do not have an English equivalent. In such cases, the only thing that the translators can do is try to convey the meaning that the original word expresses. This can sometimes be subject to personal bias. Still, other time these variations are the result of differences between the ancient manuscripts themselves. These differences are the result of a number of possibilities such as fatigue, misspelling, poor lighting, poor eyesight, line confusion, letter, word, or line duplication, or just simple carelessness on the part of the scribe who was copying the document. There are lots of reasons why the variants appear. Most linguistic scholars try very hard to uphold the integrity of the original languages. Oddly enough, this is especially true of those scholars who are nonbelievers. The reason is, they have no religious agendas nor any religious ax to grind. The only thing they care about is their reputation as a linguistic scholar. Therefore they are more concerned about getting it right than about defending any particular religious doctrine.
There are three major Words mentioned in the Bible (Which are all perfect).
1. The Living Word who could not be hurt by fire or death.
2. The Written Word that survived fire and it being broken into bits from being on stone tablets (See the story of Jeremiah and the story of Moses).
3. The Spoken Word is like fire which can be confirmed with the written Word (See Jeremiah and Acts 17:11).
1. The Living Word who could not be hurt by fire or death.
2. The Written Word that survived fire and it being broken into bits from being on stone tablets (See the story of Jeremiah and the story of Moses).
3. The Spoken Word is like fire which can be confirmed with the written Word (See Jeremiah and Acts 17:11).