We agree! But I don't understand how you can believe in walking in the power and teach to not do any walking in the power. Your posts are, instead about how the new power is not building on the power that has always been. How the new covenant wipes out all the old. How it is wrong to put on Christ to our will and then use our will for Christ. I should think that if you believe in the Lord and in obedience to His will, you would not teach against the Lord and any will we have through Christ.
We establish the Law...but how?
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You're improvising on the gospel again. . .
So how did we get from works of righteousness in the first three steps to
not by works of righteousness in step (4)?
Your improvisation of the gospel doesn't even make sense.
Ro 4:5: God justifies the wicked, because there is no one else to justify.
It is the power of God raising one from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life in one's spirit)
to eternal life which works the mighty change of mind and heart that is repentance.
The sinful unregenerate nature is spiritually powerless.
Ro 7:7-8: "the sinful mind is hostile to God (rebellious).
It does not submit to God's law (insubordinate),
nor can it do so (spiritually powerless).
Those controlled by the sinful (unregenerate) nature cannot please God."
The unregenerate man cannot pull himself up by his own boot straps to seek cleansing,
he is spiritually powerless, he can't even believe that he needs cleansing,
faith has to be given to him (Php 1:9; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3)
and which, as long as he is unregenerate, he can't even receive, which would please God,
because the unregenerate cannot please God.
So how did we get from works of righteousness in the first three steps to
not by works of righteousness in step (4)?
Your improvisation of the gospel doesn't even make sense.
Ro 4:5: God justifies the wicked, because there is no one else to justify.
It is the power of God raising one from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life in one's spirit)
to eternal life which works the mighty change of mind and heart that is repentance.
The sinful unregenerate nature is spiritually powerless.
Ro 7:7-8: "the sinful mind is hostile to God (rebellious).
It does not submit to God's law (insubordinate),
nor can it do so (spiritually powerless).
Those controlled by the sinful (unregenerate) nature cannot please God."
The unregenerate man cannot pull himself up by his own boot straps to seek cleansing,
he is spiritually powerless, he can't even believe that he needs cleansing,
faith has to be given to him (Php 1:9; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3)
and which, as long as he is unregenerate, he can't even receive, which would please God,
because the unregenerate cannot please God.
O
old mis-taught fetters can be unbound and left on the ground
behind the dust that you thrust into those childish dark mazes,
and a spark of Light will come forth from the window in the
north expanse and a dance of joy in your heart will start
you down the right road, after you unload that old wagon -
praise Jesus, it won't be draggin' you down any more....
behind the dust that you thrust into those childish dark mazes,
and a spark of Light will come forth from the window in the
north expanse and a dance of joy in your heart will start
you down the right road, after you unload that old wagon -
praise Jesus, it won't be draggin' you down any more....
When we finally detect a hopeless case within ourselves, and we have nowhere else to run, hopefully we know enough to use the schoolmaster that shows us the road to Christ who is our only hope.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
You probably mis-read the scripture I quoted. I'll quote it again. Considerate on the words "no longer under."
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The law is a God given tool for us to use to fulfill His great commission. Here's the way Paul used it because he became all things to all people in order to show them the truth of salvation in Christ Jesus.
"For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; (1 Corinthians 9:19-20)
It is ironic that some people have determined that there are people in CC that are still under the law because of what they say. If those who are not under the law would really care as Paul did, they would use this God given tool that is called the law to gain them as Paul did. It looks like an oxymoron, but God's ways are not our ways. The law that shows us the way doesn't save us, but not until we reach the destination where Christ Jesus is.
Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come , we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The law is a God given tool for us to use to fulfill His great commission. Here's the way Paul used it because he became all things to all people in order to show them the truth of salvation in Christ Jesus.
"For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; (1 Corinthians 9:19-20)
It is ironic that some people have determined that there are people in CC that are still under the law because of what they say. If those who are not under the law would really care as Paul did, they would use this God given tool that is called the law to gain them as Paul did. It looks like an oxymoron, but God's ways are not our ways. The law that shows us the way doesn't save us, but not until we reach the destination where Christ Jesus is.
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No it is not.
The context of Rom 3:31 ia about the nature of faith itself.
It has nothing to do with trusting in someone else. It has everything to do with ABIDING in the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
God does not do that for you. You have to abide in Jesus Christ and that is a walk. The abiding is the walk of faith.
Faith = Obedience.
Faith = Faithfulness.
Your doctrine does not make that connection and that is why you do not connect the faith of Abraham in Rom 4:6 to the walk in Rom 4:12.
When you say "trust in Jesus Christ" it is a provision. Look at what you wrote...
In the second paragraph you have the guilt associated with "mans inability to keep the law" covered by what you have written in the first paragaph where Jesus tasted death in the context by enduring the penalty. That is not what the Bible teaches at all.
Jesus did not pay the penalty for sin and Jesus did not establish the law by paying any such penalty. Jesus established the law by walking in love because it is love which establishes the law. That is why Paul says that WE establish the law by faith, Jesus does not do it for us.
The blood of Jesus Christ is what enjoins us into covenant with God. The blood of Jesus Christ is what seals the New Covenant into effect. We enter into a New Covenant with God and are given a fresh start having been made pure. That is why God is just in forgiving sins because this dynamic solves the root of the sin problem which is a defiled heart.
The defiled heart is not solved in the substitution message. In that message justification is purely forensic and cloaks an ongoing wicked state. The truth is twisted where it is God who is changing in order for reconciliation to take place, it is God lowering His standard because He is pretending that the wicked sinner is righteous due to the positional transfer. That doctrine is a mockery of the righteousness of God.
We are the offending party and it is us who much change in order for reconciliation to take place. It is not God that has to change. Positional salvation premised on a legal exchange is a doctrine which serves to cloak wickedness. That is why the folks who believe it will admit that a child molester can still be molesting children and yet be justified. Any notion that salvation actually involves a purging of iniquity from the heart is utterly denied.
If there is no purging of the soul of sin then there is no salvation. It is that simple.
The death of Christ is all about the purging of iniquity from the hearts of sinners. The dynamic which God set forth brings this to fruition and leaves the new convert PURE as a babe in Christ ready to be instructed by the Spirit.
Under the false Gospel the saved sinner remains a wretch who simply trust in the provision Jesus effected on the cross. That is why they constantly say, "know who you are in Christ even when you fall down." The whole thing is imaginary. One can be sinning in thought, word and deed everyday and yet is confident that God has justified them. That is pure deception.
Don't be deceived. The wolves do not preach that death of the old man. The wolves do not preach the crucifixion of the flesh. The wolves do not preach purity of heart. The wolves do not preach that we die to sin. Even though all that stuff is in the Bible they explain it away and ignore it.
John wrote this...
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
What is the doctrine of Christ?
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
The very words of Jesus Christ are the doctrine according to godliness. Jesus Christ who preached purity of heart. Jesus Christ who preached be ye perfect as God is perfect.
That doctrine is denied today by most people even though Jesus plainly teaches it.
Paul wrote this...
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
That is the PURPOSE of the commandment. That is what the commandment produces. The wolves deny that and preach that Christian's are the Romans Wretch who sin in thought, word and deed every day. They utterly deny Jesus Christ by denying His doctrine.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
DO DO DO. Yet preach DO today and people hate it. They accuse you of "works salvation" or "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" or they say "do you sin?" or "you are still wicked" or "you don't trust in Jesus." ALL LIES.
We trust in Jesus by DOING what He commanded to do. The transformation of the human heart is in yielding to God and we all have the ability to do that through repentance and faith.
The context of Rom 3:31 ia about the nature of faith itself.
It has nothing to do with trusting in someone else. It has everything to do with ABIDING in the Spirit of Jesus Christ.
God does not do that for you. You have to abide in Jesus Christ and that is a walk. The abiding is the walk of faith.
Faith = Obedience.
Faith = Faithfulness.
Your doctrine does not make that connection and that is why you do not connect the faith of Abraham in Rom 4:6 to the walk in Rom 4:12.
When you say "trust in Jesus Christ" it is a provision. Look at what you wrote...
In the second paragraph you have the guilt associated with "mans inability to keep the law" covered by what you have written in the first paragaph where Jesus tasted death in the context by enduring the penalty. That is not what the Bible teaches at all.
Jesus did not pay the penalty for sin and Jesus did not establish the law by paying any such penalty. Jesus established the law by walking in love because it is love which establishes the law. That is why Paul says that WE establish the law by faith, Jesus does not do it for us.
The blood of Jesus Christ is what enjoins us into covenant with God. The blood of Jesus Christ is what seals the New Covenant into effect. We enter into a New Covenant with God and are given a fresh start having been made pure. That is why God is just in forgiving sins because this dynamic solves the root of the sin problem which is a defiled heart.
The defiled heart is not solved in the substitution message. In that message justification is purely forensic and cloaks an ongoing wicked state. The truth is twisted where it is God who is changing in order for reconciliation to take place, it is God lowering His standard because He is pretending that the wicked sinner is righteous due to the positional transfer. That doctrine is a mockery of the righteousness of God.
We are the offending party and it is us who much change in order for reconciliation to take place. It is not God that has to change. Positional salvation premised on a legal exchange is a doctrine which serves to cloak wickedness. That is why the folks who believe it will admit that a child molester can still be molesting children and yet be justified. Any notion that salvation actually involves a purging of iniquity from the heart is utterly denied.
If there is no purging of the soul of sin then there is no salvation. It is that simple.
The death of Christ is all about the purging of iniquity from the hearts of sinners. The dynamic which God set forth brings this to fruition and leaves the new convert PURE as a babe in Christ ready to be instructed by the Spirit.
Under the false Gospel the saved sinner remains a wretch who simply trust in the provision Jesus effected on the cross. That is why they constantly say, "know who you are in Christ even when you fall down." The whole thing is imaginary. One can be sinning in thought, word and deed everyday and yet is confident that God has justified them. That is pure deception.
Don't be deceived. The wolves do not preach that death of the old man. The wolves do not preach the crucifixion of the flesh. The wolves do not preach purity of heart. The wolves do not preach that we die to sin. Even though all that stuff is in the Bible they explain it away and ignore it.
John wrote this...
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
What is the doctrine of Christ?
1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
The very words of Jesus Christ are the doctrine according to godliness. Jesus Christ who preached purity of heart. Jesus Christ who preached be ye perfect as God is perfect.
That doctrine is denied today by most people even though Jesus plainly teaches it.
Paul wrote this...
1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
That is the PURPOSE of the commandment. That is what the commandment produces. The wolves deny that and preach that Christian's are the Romans Wretch who sin in thought, word and deed every day. They utterly deny Jesus Christ by denying His doctrine.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
DO DO DO. Yet preach DO today and people hate it. They accuse you of "works salvation" or "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" or they say "do you sin?" or "you are still wicked" or "you don't trust in Jesus." ALL LIES.
We trust in Jesus by DOING what He commanded to do. The transformation of the human heart is in yielding to God and we all have the ability to do that through repentance and faith.