We establish the Law...but how?

[psychomom]

The truth of the Lord is the truth, and so many of you rail against it. Some say not to read scripture if it is about law, for law is only in our hearts. Yet the truth of scripture being in our hearts cannot cancel what is law in scripture. Some say that if you read the law in spirit and truth, you must read that what Paul said we were free from, all the rituals given to remind people of the spiritual law has to be included. That is not the truth. Some say that the God of Israel is not their God, and a separate God from the gentile God so what is told Israel is separate, and that is not the truth. At the same time, they insist that anything scripture tells us that is just for a special people such as the land set aside for them would have to include gentiles if God the Father was our God, and that again in not the truth.

sorry...i don't quite understand what you're trying to say...

are you saying a curse remains for those in Christ?

or does it bother you that there's a possibility that 'keeping the Law' might not guarantee
you peace and safety?

to try to get back to the OP...God's Law is Perfect, and stands.
it's too perfect for sinful people like us...we are unable to meet it's high and holy demands.
so God Himself came down in the Person of Jesus,
and met those demands for us.

don't you see the incredible love and beauty in that?
the God Who makes the demands, meets the demands.

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Rom 8:3-4)

 

[chubbena]

By the law is the knowledge of sin and no man shall be justified by the deeds of the law in GODs sight.

man does not sin in the spirit,it is GODs workmanship and whoever is born of GOD does not sin.
Where were we born of GOD?


rebirth was in the spirit not the flesh ,but we still need to renew our minds.

Please read the whole thread and see if anyone promote justification by the deeds of the law, or rebirth was in the flesh, or we don't need to renew our minds.

 

[chubbena]

what command are you talking about.

obey what. when was the law of moses given to a gentile. and with no temple 70ad. again you have been asked this several times. with no answers from your side of the pc. take your religious taboo, and dogmas and place them some ware in the time line of history to the facts. again with no temple of stone, how can you follow the full law,

7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

and telling people there is a son of god, and telling them god saves, is still god that saves them.
when did it say the harvest is ours, and we share in this harvest. or was the deal you all get eternal life, no matter, how long you, have helped with the harvest.

When ALL one sees is temple serve in the law.
When other see the law perfect just as the Psalmist said in Psalmist 119.
In the coming age, let's go to the very end which some has repeatedly quote and is ignored: This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

 

[royalscot]

It would be lawlessness if there were no command to obey.
This is to fulfill what the Prophet said: I wrote for them the many things of my law, but they regarded them as something foreign.
The Psalmist said it right: What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you.

what commands, when did law save anyone. moral or writen. when it was god that saved the believer.
6 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
abraham believed god could raise the dead.(did he see it with his eyes)
just like abraham, gentile believed that god raised jesus from the dead,(did they see it with there eyes)
by god raising jesus from the dead, both are proven correct. and are of faith in a god that keeps his word.



18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

[Skinski7]

The overall error evident in many responses in this thread is the rejection of "heart purity" having anything to do with salvation.

Why is it that so many people reject heart purity even though Jesus preached it? The focal point of the ministry of Jesus Chris was without a doubt inward purity. That was His focus on the Sermon on the Mount and it was His chief issue with the Pharisees.

God requires our heart be pure. The Bible speaks of heart purity all the way through and explains the means by which our hearts can be made pure.

If someone believes in a salvation which is not inclusive of a pure heart then their view of salvation is false. It does not matter how many Bible verses they can reference, or how many theologians they can seek out. Our hearts must be pure if we are to enter the kingdom. There is no cloak or provision by which we are justified in the eyes of God's whilst our hearts are still wicked, such a thing would clearly be a mockery of God's righteousness.

How do we establish the law? Simple. We do it through having a pure heart out of which flows righteousness. Thus the law is established in our hearts and we are no longer under the letter of the law because we don't need it. How difficult is that to understand? I don't think it is.

Jesus came preaching repentance and faith. We are to turn from our sins and yield ourselves to Him in faith. That's it. Simple. Abide in Him and God will bring us from darkness to light by opening our eyes and bringing our spirit back to life.

Don't be so quick to blow off heart purity folks. It is an absolute necessity.

 

[royalscot]

When ALL one sees is temple serve in the law.
When other see the law perfect just as the Psalmist said in Psalmist 119.
In the coming age, let's go to the very end which some has repeatedly quote and is ignored: This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

what commands , i was save by believing god raised jesus from the dead. just like abraham. a saviour that saved me. not law.
and when was it up to me to save myself.

 

[Karraster]

A. We establish the "Law" by keeping it.

B. We establish the "Law" by breaking it.

C. We established the "Law" by ignoring it and making up our own and expecting our Creator to bless it.

I'll go with A.

 

[royalscot]

A. We establish the "Law" by keeping it.

B. We establish the "Law" by breaking it.

C. We established the "Law" by ignoring it and making up our own and expecting our Creator to bless it.

I'll go with A.

after 70 ad.
prove, who gave you the law of moses, to a gentile.(given jesus was back in heaven, when the first gentile was first saved) so how can you break a law, you never had.
because i read there is a law, then how dose that law , save you.
and to believe in a god and saviour, do i need a law, to tell me there is, a god and saviour.
or to believe that this god and saviour can indeed save a believer in him ie god.
out side of law.

 

[Karraster]

after 70 ad.
prove, who gave you the law of moses, to a gentile.(given jesus was back in heaven, when the first gentile was first saved) so how can you break a law, you never had.
because i read there is a law, then how dose that law , save you.
and to believe in a god and saviour, do i need a law, to tell me there is, a god and saviour.
or to believe that this god and saviour can indeed save a believer in him ie god.
out side of law.

Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

 

[royalscot]

The overall error evident in many responses in this thread is the rejection of "heart purity" having anything to do with salvation.

Why is it that so many people reject heart purity even though Jesus preached it? The focal point of the ministry of Jesus Chris was without a doubt inward purity. That was His focus on the Sermon on the Mount and it was His chief issue with the Pharisees.

God requires our heart be pure. The Bible speaks of heart purity all the way through and explains the means by which our hearts can be made pure.

If someone believes in a salvation which is not inclusive of a pure heart then their view of salvation is false. It does not matter how many Bible verses they can reference, or how many theologians they can seek out. Our hearts must be pure if we are to enter the kingdom. There is no cloak or provision by which we are justified in the eyes of God's whilst our hearts are still wicked, such a thing would clearly be a mockery of God's righteousness.

How do we establish the law? Simple. We do it through having a pure heart out of which flows righteousness. Thus the law is established in our hearts and we are no longer under the letter of the law because we don't need it. How difficult is that to understand? I don't think it is.

Jesus came preaching repentance and faith. We are to turn from our sins and yield ourselves to Him in faith. That's it. Simple. Abide in Him and God will bring us from darkness to light by opening our eyes and bringing our spirit back to life.

Don't be so quick to blow off heart purity folks. It is an absolute necessity.

was jesus preaching to a gentile nation, or a jewish nation that were all under the full law given to moses.
4 John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.5
Mark 1
oral repentence.
yet the teachers of this law,(jewish) were saying take an animal to the temple, for forgivness.

so even ,from here, there is a direct campain, for change, to the jewish law,

 

[royalscot]

Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"

you need the rhema, and a Revelation that god has given you personaly. ie the holy spirit

and that came at pentecost.
And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me;5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."


23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.





and some ware around 48 ad the first gentile was save,
45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.Acts 10: Peter and Cornelius

did cornelius repent.

 

[crossnote]

It would be lawlessness if there were no command to obey.
This is to fulfill what the Prophet said: I wrote for them the many things of my law, but they regarded them as something foreign.
The Psalmist said it right: What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you.

A different train of thought.

 

[crossnote]

The overall error evident in many responses in this thread is the rejection of "heart purity" having anything to do with salvation.

Why is it that so many people reject heart purity even though Jesus preached it? The focal point of the ministry of Jesus Chris was without a doubt inward purity. That was His focus on the Sermon on the Mount and it was His chief issue with the Pharisees.

God requires our heart be pure. The Bible speaks of heart purity all the way through and explains the means by which our hearts can be made pure.

If someone believes in a salvation which is not inclusive of a pure heart then their view of salvation is false. It does not matter how many Bible verses they can reference, or how many theologians they can seek out. Our hearts must be pure if we are to enter the kingdom. There is no cloak or provision by which we are justified in the eyes of God's whilst our hearts are still wicked, such a thing would clearly be a mockery of God's righteousness.

How do we establish the law? Simple. We do it through having a pure heart out of which flows righteousness. Thus the law is established in our hearts and we are no longer under the letter of the law because we don't need it. How difficult is that to understand? I don't think it is.

Jesus came preaching repentance and faith. We are to turn from our sins and yield ourselves to Him in faith. That's it. Simple. Abide in Him and God will bring us from darkness to light by opening our eyes and bringing our spirit back to life.

Don't be so quick to blow off heart purity folks. It is an absolute necessity.

What post negated heart purity? Agreed, we should strive for but will never reach the purity of Christ in this life.

 

[crossnote]

A. We establish the "Law" by keeping it.

B. We establish the "Law" by breaking it.

C. We established the "Law" by ignoring it and making up our own and expecting our Creator to bless it.

I'll go with A.

D: We establish the law by faith in Christ's righteousness....
I'll go with D.

 

[Elin]

The overall error evident in many responses in this thread is the
rejection of "heart purity" having anything to do with salvation.

Still going in circles, Skinski.

Deal with the business on the table before bringing new business to the table.

Post #269, here, as well as
post #271, here, still remain on the table unaddressed by you.

 

[chubbena]

Poor God, he made a mistake in Ge 9:3.

And Jesus made the same mistake in Mk 7:19.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. . .leaving us an errant word of truth.

One should not use His name in vain.
If one pays attention to every word that comes from the mouth of God, he would know well enough not to eat from garbage cans.

 

[chubbena]

you need the rhema, and a Revelation that god has given you personaly. ie the holy spirit

and that came at pentecost.
And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, "you heard from me;5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."


23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.





and some ware around 48 ad the first gentile was save,
45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.Acts 10: Peter and Cornelius

did cornelius repent.

This post is a good example of not paying attention to every detail recorded in the bible. At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly...and he received a vision from God.
Proverbs 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayer of the righteous.
God heard his prayer.

 

[chubbena]

A. We establish the "Law" by keeping it.

B. We establish the "Law" by breaking it.

C. We established the "Law" by ignoring it and making up our own and expecting our Creator to bless it.

I'll go with A.

We don't establish the law by teaching others that the law is no more.

 

[chubbena]

D: We establish the law by faith in Christ's righteousness....
I'll go with D.

It does not help if one does not believe in His Word. Again He said: What right have you to recite my laws or take my covenant on your lips? You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you.

 

[chubbena]

what commands , i was save by believing god raised jesus from the dead. just like abraham. a saviour that saved me. not law.
and when was it up to me to save myself.

The Israelites were saved from slavery in Egypt but I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact that they were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. The were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
Again, the prophet said: I wrote for them the many things of my law, but they regarded them as something foreign.

God said in Genesis 26:5 Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.