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What feels like burning to the unsaved human spirit begins in Hades, a place of torment for unsaved spirits at the moment of one's death. While Abraham's bosom (Jewish expression for being very close to the side of Abraham), Paradise, and Under the Altar are synonyms for being in the Presence of the Lord in Heaven.
Luke 16:22-26 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
Luke 23:43 (HCSB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And He said to him, “I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise.”
Revelation 2:7 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’
Revelation 22:1-2 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
[SUP]2 [/SUP] through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Matthew 8:10-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Hearing this, Jesus was amazed and said to those following Him,“I assure you: I have not found anyone in Israel with so great a faith!
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I tell you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Luke 16:22-26 (ESV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
Luke 23:43 (HCSB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] And He said to him, “I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise.”
Revelation 2:7 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’
Revelation 22:1-2 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
[SUP]2 [/SUP] through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Matthew 8:10-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Hearing this, Jesus was amazed and said to those following Him,“I assure you: I have not found anyone in Israel with so great a faith!
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I tell you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
T
All you are proving over and over is your own inability to comprehend the scriptures. So your rich man was burning in the fires of your Hell all this time yet all he wanted was someone to dip their fingertips into some water. I've wanted more water than that after mowing the lawn.
That parable has been shot down on this very thread many times. You still have shown no scriptural proof that the dead go immediately to Hell upon their deaths. You claim the parable does but it does not. Your understanding is lacking indeed.
That parable has been shot down on this very thread many times. You still have shown no scriptural proof that the dead go immediately to Hell upon their deaths. You claim the parable does but it does not. Your understanding is lacking indeed.
K
Jesus said I have come to preach the Gospel to the poor and to take the captivity captive. Correct, Jesus had not ascendende to the Father because He was in Paradise preaching the gospel to the captive. On the cross, the thief said Lord remember me when you come into your kingdom and Jesus said today you will be with me in Paradise.
Noone is calling Him a liar. We are correcting the error by stating that the parable was told to teach the truth about something else, not about a physical place of torment. When Jesus spoke the other parables, they weren't literal were they? No, they were used to teach a hidden truth. Same with Lazarus and the Rich man.
God Bless
God Bless
K
So the sinning thief went to the father? Read it again. All OT saints went to Paradise place called Sheol. David wrote in the psalms shall I praise you from Sheol. In what some would call a fairy tale that Jesus spoke, there was a gulf between paradise and hell. Abraham was in Paradise and the rich guy was in hell and they could not cross. Paul writes to the church and not sinners that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Father.
After the cross, Paradise was emptied and hell enlarged itself. Now that the blood has been shed and the perfect sacrifice has been given. a sinner goes to hell and a believer goes to the Father which is in heaven.
After the cross, Paradise was emptied and hell enlarged itself. Now that the blood has been shed and the perfect sacrifice has been given. a sinner goes to hell and a believer goes to the Father which is in heaven.
NO, the human spirit of the rich man was burning in Hades (a place of torment for disembodied human spirits).
The human spirit leaves the body the moment of death.
The human spirit of the SAVED goes immediately to the presence of the LORD in Heaven,
while the human spirit of the UNSAVED goes immediately to HADES to be in torment.
Zechariah 12:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] An Oracle The word of the LORD concerning Israel. A declaration of the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.
Malachi 2:16 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] “For the man who does not love his wife but divorces her, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.”
Proverbs 20:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Who knows if the spirit of people rises upward and the spirit of animals goes downward to the earth?
Psalm 146:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.
2 Corinthians 5:7-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For we walk by faith, not by sight,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Therefore, whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to be pleasing to Him.
Luke 16:22-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] One day the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] ‘Father Abraham!’ he called out, ‘Have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this flame!’
Psalm 146:4 makes it VERY CLEAR, that it is the SPIRIT OF MAN that departs the body at the moment of death.
With what it says in Psalm 146:4 in mind, Paul makes it VERY CLEAR that it is the human spirit of the SAVED that departs the body to go to the presence of the LORD, the moment of death.
And with what it says in Psalm 146:4 in mind, Luke makes it VERY CLEAR that the human spirit of the UNSAVED departs to go to HADES the moment of death.
T
The rich man was burning in Hell but only wanted someone to dip their fingertips into a little water for him. LOL!!
Please refrain from inventing your own scripture. The Bible says plainly that the body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God. It says absolutely nothing about any spirit, saved or unsaved, going straight to hell upon one's death. At least make some vain attempt to disguise your apparent disdain for the scriptures.
Please refrain from inventing your own scripture. The Bible says plainly that the body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God. It says absolutely nothing about any spirit, saved or unsaved, going straight to hell upon one's death. At least make some vain attempt to disguise your apparent disdain for the scriptures.
No, what I am saying is that the SDA twist things and lie. Catholics uphold the basic tenets of the Christian faith other than the traditions, idolatry, praying to dead saints, etc. of which the Orthodox also holds to some of the traditions such as relics and other things you won't find in the Bible.
If you think I am dumb then you are sadly mistaken and I would ask that you refrain from any personal insults. It won't help your position at all. You see the problem with those that don't love the truth and believe a lie is that even if the truth were right in front of them they still wouldn't believe it because they are spiritually blind. How else do you account for the refusal to accept basic truths regarding the Christian faith?
I know what I believe and I don't base what I believe on man but on the scriptures. I grew up reading the scriptures and that is what I believe. If you can't back up what you believe on the scriptures taken in context then your doctrine is false and you have believed a lie. Doctrinal truth is not based on some delusional woman named Ellen White or any other human for that matter.
I am going to quote you from the Vatican itself so that your lies may be exposed. That is the reason and I am not able to spend all day and night on the internet here since I do have other responsibilities and work to do.
Thank you and I will be with you shortly.
If you think I am dumb then you are sadly mistaken and I would ask that you refrain from any personal insults. It won't help your position at all. You see the problem with those that don't love the truth and believe a lie is that even if the truth were right in front of them they still wouldn't believe it because they are spiritually blind. How else do you account for the refusal to accept basic truths regarding the Christian faith?
I know what I believe and I don't base what I believe on man but on the scriptures. I grew up reading the scriptures and that is what I believe. If you can't back up what you believe on the scriptures taken in context then your doctrine is false and you have believed a lie. Doctrinal truth is not based on some delusional woman named Ellen White or any other human for that matter.
I am going to quote you from the Vatican itself so that your lies may be exposed. That is the reason and I am not able to spend all day and night on the internet here since I do have other responsibilities and work to do.
Thank you and I will be with you shortly.
Okay. That was quick. Just to expose your lie claiming the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath. The Catholic church understands the difference between the Sabbath and the Lord's Day just like any other Christian would. Go to the Vatican Holy See for proof. Now are you going to call the truth a lie? If you do just remember who is the Father of Lies. Take heed.
I. The Sabbath Day
2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."[SUP]92[/SUP]
2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."[SUP]93[/SUP]
2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."[SUP]94[/SUP]
2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.[SUP]95[/SUP] The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.
2172 God's action is the model for human action. If God "rested and was refreshed" on the seventh day, man too ought to "rest" and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."[SUP]96[/SUP] The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.[SUP]97[/SUP]
2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.[SUP]98[/SUP] He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."[SUP]99[/SUP] With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.[SUP]100[/SUP] The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.[SUP]101[/SUP] "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."[SUP]102
[/SUP]
II. The Lord's Day
This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.[SUP]103[/SUP]
The day of the Resurrection: the new creation
2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."[SUP]104[/SUP] Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,[SUP]105[/SUP] it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.[SUP]106[/SUP]
Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:[SUP]107[/SUP]
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.[SUP]108[/SUP]
2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."[SUP]109[/SUP] Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.
The Sunday Eucharist
2177 The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life.
"Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church."[SUP]110[/SUP]
"Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Epiphany,
the Ascension of Christ,
the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi,
the feast of Mary the Mother of God,
her Immaculate Conception,
her Assumption,
the feast of Saint Joseph,
the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints."[SUP]111[/SUP]
2178 This practice of the Christian assembly dates from the beginnings of the apostolic age.[SUP]112[/SUP] The Letter to the Hebrews reminds the faithful "not to neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but to encourage one another."[SUP]113[/SUP]
Tradition preserves the memory of an ever-timely exhortation: Come to Church early, approach the Lord, and confess your sins, repent in prayer.... Be present at the sacred and divine liturgy, conclude its prayer and do not leave before the dismissal.... We have often said: "This day is given to you for prayer and rest. This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it."[SUP]114[/SUP]
2179 "A parish is a definite community of the Christian faithful established on a stable basis within a particular church; the pastoral care of the parish is entrusted to a pastor as its own shepherd under the authority of the diocesan bishop."[SUP]115[/SUP] It is the place where all the faithful can be gathered together for the Sunday celebration of the Eucharist. the parish initiates the Christian people into the ordinary expression of the liturgical life: it gathers them together in this celebration; it teaches Christ's saving doctrine; it practices the charity of the Lord in good works and brotherly love:
You cannot pray at home as at church, where there is a great multitude, where exclamations are cried out to God as from one great heart, and where there is something more: the union of minds, the accord of souls, the bond of charity, the prayers of the priests.[SUP]116[/SUP]
The Sunday obligation
2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."[SUP]117[/SUP] "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."[SUP]118[/SUP]
2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.[SUP]119[/SUP] Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. the faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
2183 "If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."[SUP]120[/SUP]
A day of grace and rest from work
2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"[SUP]121[/SUP] human life has a rhythm of work and rest. the institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.[SUP]122[/SUP]
2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.[SUP]123[/SUP] Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. the faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure - the necessity of charity accepts just work.[SUP]124[/SUP]
2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.
2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.
2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."[SUP]125[/SUP]
I. The Sabbath Day
2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD."[SUP]92[/SUP]
2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it."[SUP]93[/SUP]
2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord's day a memorial of Israel's liberation from bondage in Egypt: "You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day."[SUP]94[/SUP]
2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.[SUP]95[/SUP] The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.
2172 God's action is the model for human action. If God "rested and was refreshed" on the seventh day, man too ought to "rest" and should let others, especially the poor, "be refreshed."[SUP]96[/SUP] The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.[SUP]97[/SUP]
2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.[SUP]98[/SUP] He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath."[SUP]99[/SUP] With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.[SUP]100[/SUP] The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.[SUP]101[/SUP] "The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath."[SUP]102
[/SUP]
II. The Lord's Day
This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.[SUP]103[/SUP]
The day of the Resurrection: the new creation
2174 Jesus rose from the dead "on the first day of the week."[SUP]104[/SUP] Because it is the "first day," the day of Christ's Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the "eighth day" following the sabbath,[SUP]105[/SUP] it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ's Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord's Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.[SUP]106[/SUP]
Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:[SUP]107[/SUP]
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.[SUP]108[/SUP]
2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship "as a sign of his universal beneficence to all."[SUP]109[/SUP] Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.
The Sunday Eucharist
2177 The Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and his Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life.
"Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church."[SUP]110[/SUP]
"Also to be observed are the day of the Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Epiphany,
the Ascension of Christ,
the feast of the Body and Blood of Christi,
the feast of Mary the Mother of God,
her Immaculate Conception,
her Assumption,
the feast of Saint Joseph,
the feast of the Apostles Saints Peter and Paul, and the feast of All Saints."[SUP]111[/SUP]
2178 This practice of the Christian assembly dates from the beginnings of the apostolic age.[SUP]112[/SUP] The Letter to the Hebrews reminds the faithful "not to neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but to encourage one another."[SUP]113[/SUP]
Tradition preserves the memory of an ever-timely exhortation: Come to Church early, approach the Lord, and confess your sins, repent in prayer.... Be present at the sacred and divine liturgy, conclude its prayer and do not leave before the dismissal.... We have often said: "This day is given to you for prayer and rest. This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it."[SUP]114[/SUP]
2179 "A parish is a definite community of the Christian faithful established on a stable basis within a particular church; the pastoral care of the parish is entrusted to a pastor as its own shepherd under the authority of the diocesan bishop."[SUP]115[/SUP] It is the place where all the faithful can be gathered together for the Sunday celebration of the Eucharist. the parish initiates the Christian people into the ordinary expression of the liturgical life: it gathers them together in this celebration; it teaches Christ's saving doctrine; it practices the charity of the Lord in good works and brotherly love:
You cannot pray at home as at church, where there is a great multitude, where exclamations are cried out to God as from one great heart, and where there is something more: the union of minds, the accord of souls, the bond of charity, the prayers of the priests.[SUP]116[/SUP]
The Sunday obligation
2180 The precept of the Church specifies the law of the Lord more precisely: "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass."[SUP]117[/SUP] "The precept of participating in the Mass is satisfied by assistance at a Mass which is celebrated anywhere in a Catholic rite either on the holy day or on the evening of the preceding day."[SUP]118[/SUP]
2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.[SUP]119[/SUP] Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
2182 Participation in the communal celebration of the Sunday Eucharist is a testimony of belonging and of being faithful to Christ and to his Church. the faithful give witness by this to their communion in faith and charity. Together they testify to God's holiness and their hope of salvation. They strengthen one another under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
2183 "If because of lack of a sacred minister or for other grave cause participation in the celebration of the Eucharist is impossible, it is specially recommended that the faithful take part in the Liturgy of the Word if it is celebrated in the parish church or in another sacred place according to the prescriptions of the diocesan bishop, or engage in prayer for an appropriate amount of time personally or in a family or, as occasion offers, in groups of families."[SUP]120[/SUP]
A day of grace and rest from work
2184 Just as God "rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done,"[SUP]121[/SUP] human life has a rhythm of work and rest. the institution of the Lord's Day helps everyone enjoy adequate rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives.[SUP]122[/SUP]
2185 On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God, the joy proper to the Lord's Day, the performance of the works of mercy, and the appropriate relaxation of mind and body.[SUP]123[/SUP] Family needs or important social service can legitimately excuse from the obligation of Sunday rest. the faithful should see to it that legitimate excuses do not lead to habits prejudicial to religion, family life, and health.
The charity of truth seeks holy leisure - the necessity of charity accepts just work.[SUP]124[/SUP]
2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Sunday is traditionally consecrated by Christian piety to good works and humble service of the sick, the infirm, and the elderly. Christians will also sanctify Sunday by devoting time and care to their families and relatives, often difficult to do on other days of the week. Sunday is a time for reflection, silence, cultivation of the mind, and meditation which furthers the growth of the Christian interior life.
2187 Sanctifying Sundays and holy days requires a common effort. Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Traditional activities (sport, restaurants, etc.), and social necessities (public services, etc.), require some people to work on Sundays, but everyone should still take care to set aside sufficient time for leisure. With temperance and charity the faithful will see to it that they avoid the excesses and violence sometimes associated with popular leisure activities. In spite of economic constraints, public authorities should ensure citizens a time intended for rest and divine worship. Employers have a similar obligation toward their employees.
2188 In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church's holy days as legal holidays. They have to give everyone a public example of prayer, respect, and joy and defend their traditions as a precious contribution to the spiritual life of society. If a country's legislation or other reasons require work on Sunday, the day should nevertheless be lived as the day of our deliverance which lets us share in this "festal gathering," this "assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven."[SUP]125[/SUP]
I never said the thief went to the Father. He went where everyone else who has ever died has gone, to the grave.
Paradise and Sheol are NEVER associated with each other anywhere in the Scripture.
You misquoted him. This is what David said:
Psalm 115:17 "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence."
The dead DO NOT praise Him. It is silent where they are at.
Oh, and just so you know, that word Sheol is translated as hell all 31 times in the Old Testament. This is what it means:
שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל
she'ôl (sheh-ole')
hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat): - grave, pit
No Paradise or fire here. Nothing but a silent grave. Notice that the definition mentions the Greek word Hades. Here is the definition of Hades:
ᾅδης
hadēs
1. name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2. Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3. later use of this word: the grave, death
How odd. It is the equivalent of the Hebrew word Sheol. Again, simply the grave.
Jesus didn't tell the listeners a fairy tale, it is called a parable. The word 'hell' in this parable is the Greek word Hades that we just found out means 'the grave, death'. What about this Paradise you speak of?
2 Corinthians 12:2-4 "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."
Paul, speaking of himself, describes being caught up in vision to the third heaven. As he re-states his story, he describes being caught up in vision into Paradise. This is called a parallel. Both places are the same, yet referenced with 2 different names. Where is this third heaven, also known as Paradise?
Revelation 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
Wherever the third heaven, also known as Paradise, is, the tree of life is there also. Where is the tree of life located?
Revelation 22:1-2 "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."
The tree of life is located in the same place as "the throne of God and of the Lamb". This is the third heaven, this is Paradise. Where the LORD dwells. Jesus didn't go to Paradise (third heaven) when He died, but after He resurrected. Speaking to Mary, He said:
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
If Jesus, even right after His resurrection, had yet to ascend to His Father (where Paradise is located), how could the thief on the cross be there before Jesus resurrected? The answer is simple. He wasn't.
See how easy that was. No guessing, no speculation. The Bible is the key to it's own puzzle.
You are correct, Paul was speaking specifically to the church at Corinth. Unfortunately you misquoted the verse again.
2 Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
You see those 2 words "and willing". That implies a desire to leave this body and to be present with the Lord. Not that it actually happens. If you look at the previous verses in context, Paul is speaking about putting off this old body and receiving the new body. This change of bodies does not take place at death, but at the return of our Lord Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
When are we raised to "incorruption, glory, power, and a spiritual body"?
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
Both texts from 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4 are speaking of the same event. The second coming of Christ. This is when we recieve the "house which is from heaven" (spiritual body) that Paul spoke about in 2 Corinthians 5:2, right before he mentioned being absent from the body.
From everything we have just uncovered, this last statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Thanks for taking the time to study this out. All glory be unto the LORD.
God Bless
Paradise and Sheol are NEVER associated with each other anywhere in the Scripture.
You misquoted him. This is what David said:
Psalm 115:17 "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence."
The dead DO NOT praise Him. It is silent where they are at.
Oh, and just so you know, that word Sheol is translated as hell all 31 times in the Old Testament. This is what it means:
שְׁאֹל שְׁאוֹל
she'ôl (sheh-ole')
hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranian retreat): - grave, pit
No Paradise or fire here. Nothing but a silent grave. Notice that the definition mentions the Greek word Hades. Here is the definition of Hades:
ᾅδης
hadēs
1. name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2. Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3. later use of this word: the grave, death
How odd. It is the equivalent of the Hebrew word Sheol. Again, simply the grave.
Jesus didn't tell the listeners a fairy tale, it is called a parable. The word 'hell' in this parable is the Greek word Hades that we just found out means 'the grave, death'. What about this Paradise you speak of?
2 Corinthians 12:2-4 "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."
Paul, speaking of himself, describes being caught up in vision to the third heaven. As he re-states his story, he describes being caught up in vision into Paradise. This is called a parallel. Both places are the same, yet referenced with 2 different names. Where is this third heaven, also known as Paradise?
Revelation 2:7 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."
Wherever the third heaven, also known as Paradise, is, the tree of life is there also. Where is the tree of life located?
Revelation 22:1-2 "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."
The tree of life is located in the same place as "the throne of God and of the Lamb". This is the third heaven, this is Paradise. Where the LORD dwells. Jesus didn't go to Paradise (third heaven) when He died, but after He resurrected. Speaking to Mary, He said:
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
If Jesus, even right after His resurrection, had yet to ascend to His Father (where Paradise is located), how could the thief on the cross be there before Jesus resurrected? The answer is simple. He wasn't.
See how easy that was. No guessing, no speculation. The Bible is the key to it's own puzzle.
You are correct, Paul was speaking specifically to the church at Corinth. Unfortunately you misquoted the verse again.
2 Corinthians 5:8 "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
You see those 2 words "and willing". That implies a desire to leave this body and to be present with the Lord. Not that it actually happens. If you look at the previous verses in context, Paul is speaking about putting off this old body and receiving the new body. This change of bodies does not take place at death, but at the return of our Lord Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44 "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."
When are we raised to "incorruption, glory, power, and a spiritual body"?
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
1 Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
Both texts from 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4 are speaking of the same event. The second coming of Christ. This is when we recieve the "house which is from heaven" (spiritual body) that Paul spoke about in 2 Corinthians 5:2, right before he mentioned being absent from the body.
From everything we have just uncovered, this last statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Thanks for taking the time to study this out. All glory be unto the LORD.
God Bless
Hades is a place of torment for the UNSAVED human spirits, until the Second Resurrection, which is the Resurrection of the UNSAVED DEAD BODIES to FACE Jesus Christ as their JUDGE. THEN AND ONLY THEN will the First person enter HELL, a place of Torment for the RESURRECTED UNSAVED.
I suspect that the Pharisees and the Scribes regularly argued amongst themselves about WHO WAS GOING TO GET TO WALK THE CLOSEST TO ABRAHAM IN THE KINGDOM of Heaven. Then along comes Jesus, telling a true story about a lowly beggar named LAZARUS, whom everyone knew; and Jesus told them, NO, it will be Lazarus who gets to walk the closest to Abraham. Can you imagine the look on the faces of the Scribes and Pharisees?
This is a somewhat correct statement but I'd like to say why. The Day of the Lord is really the way the Bible puts it usually, or sometimes simply the day. Malachi 4:1 is a good example:For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Notice it is alot like Isaiah 13:9: Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy thesinners thereof out of it.lNotice it is a time of judgement and that it uses the word desolate. This is the same time that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 as having an abomination that causes desolation in the congregations that have stemmed from the church age. In other words, Christ will not be in the congrgations and they will be desolate of him. This is the same time period as the tribulation or great tribulation as some call it. However, it is also called the Sabbath. Notice in Matthew 24: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.This is showing that the Day of the Lord, the great tribulation, and the Sabbath are all the same. Notice that the scripture here says THEN. In other words at the same time as the Sabbath, the true believers' who need a flight out of the congregations, want to avoid staying in them during the tribulation. THEN shall be great tribulation says Matthew 24. Then means at the same time. Of course there are many other examples of this time in the Bible: Noah endured a flood that is a picture of the tribulation period. Remember Jesus likened the days of Noah to the end times: As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be. Did you know that Noah's name means "'rest". That is because it is a time of Sabbath rest for God's people, who are in the figurative ark of God's eternal covenant. God is doing all the work of saving Noah's family, who are pictures of the true believers. Noah's family simply rests in that respect, inside the ark.
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Hell is a place where the soul of man departs after leaving this life, who has not believed in the righteousness of God. All bodies, both of the righteous and the unrighteous, go into the grave to await a future judgment, one unto life and the other unto condemnation. The unrighteous, who await in this place called hell will be judged according to their works and will face a second death called the lake of fire. Both death and hell will be cast into that lake of fire and all those whose names are not written in the book of life. The lake of fire is eternal damnation to Satan, his angels and to those who have rejected God's righteousness. There the fire is not quenched, the worm dies not, there will be torment day and night and there is darkness and smoke. The very lusts of the flesh that fulfilled them in this life and in this world can never be satisfied in this lake of fire and brimstone. They will live every day throughout eternity knowing that they rejected the one who could have saved them from all this.
They may have been morally good people but they rejected God's goodness by rejecting the gospel and Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. They may have lived a long and fulfilling life but not according to the grace of God or God's righteousness through the Holy Spirit. They lived there life on earth with no life from above. They derived pleasure from earthly things and not from God's right hand where Christ sits. God never knew them nor had any relationship with them and therefore rejected all their goodness and all their righteousness through His perfect justice. They relied upon themselves instead of trusting in the living God. They wanted to live their life their way and not God's way. They had a life that seemed pure and right unto themselves but they were alienated from the life of God. God has only one choice to give to those who reject Him and the righteousness he provided through his Son and that is eternal separation
They may have been morally good people but they rejected God's goodness by rejecting the gospel and Jesus Christ and his work on the cross. They may have lived a long and fulfilling life but not according to the grace of God or God's righteousness through the Holy Spirit. They lived there life on earth with no life from above. They derived pleasure from earthly things and not from God's right hand where Christ sits. God never knew them nor had any relationship with them and therefore rejected all their goodness and all their righteousness through His perfect justice. They relied upon themselves instead of trusting in the living God. They wanted to live their life their way and not God's way. They had a life that seemed pure and right unto themselves but they were alienated from the life of God. God has only one choice to give to those who reject Him and the righteousness he provided through his Son and that is eternal separation
T
LOL!! The RCC adopted many pagan doctrines. They even adopted the Babylonian Mystery Religion's day for worshipping the sun good. The baptism of infants is unbiblical and totally useless. Your idea of Purgatory or Hell comes straight from Platoism and Dante's Inferno. The RCC is the Great Whore of Revelation.