The Loaded Gun

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Chapel

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As you read this; please keep in mind that I AM a believer in Christ. This scenario was designed to to open peoples' mind had hopefully inspired good constructive discussion.

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A man buys a new hair-trigger gun, loads it, takes off the safety, and places it on the coffee table in his living room. He lives in a gated community where there is vertically no crimes; thus his purchase of the gun is completely unnecessary.

He realizes that he has to leave for work soon and calls his seven year old son into the living room.

"Son" he says, "I have to rush to work early today and am leaving you here by yourself for about ten minutes; your mom will be home soon."

He points to the gun in the table, to which his son of course looks at wide-eyed and in awe!

"That son, is an EXTREMELY dangerous weapon... It is NOT a toy. It has a hair-trigger; meaning that you don't even have to squeeze the trigger hard for it to fire off a bullet. If this gun is fired, it will seriously hurt or kill you or someone else. DO NOT touch it! I mean it son! You can play with anything else you want in the house, you can even go into my office and play with my priceless antiques. You can go into Mommy and Daddy's room and even jump on the bed if you want to; but to not touch that gun!"

The man then rushes out the door to work, leaving his son in the living room, staring at the weapon on the table.

It is not too long afterward that he gets a hysterical call from his wife telling him that when she arrived home she found their son lying in the floor, nearly dead from accidentally shooting himself in the stomach. The man rushes to the hospital were a doctor tells him and his wife that their son will live, but that the bullet from the gun ruptured a portion of the boy's spine. Not only would the boy be paralyzed for the rest of his life, but he would have to be kept on strict, daily medication, and if the dosage is not followed exactly to the letter every four hours; the body will suffer agonizing pain.

The wife looks over at the husband and cries out in hurt, fear, and rage "How could you! How could you leave a loaded gun out for our son to have easy access to? You are a logical man...WHAT did THINK would happen?!"

I TOLD him what would happen!" The man snapped back, shaking his fists...angry at the boy. I warned him what would happen if he touched the gun...I TOLD him! That boy chose to disobey me of his own free will. I told him he could play with anything else in the house...I didn't MAKE him pick up the gun and shoot it!"

The wife pounds her fists into the husband's chest, sobbing, "Are you SERIOUSLY going to blame our child for what happened?! YOU left him alone with a loaded gun! You KNOW how fascinated he gets by things! You know how curious he gets! And now, our son will have to suffer for the rest of his life! Why did you even put the gun there in the first place?! We Don't even NEED a gun!"


"I didn't MAKE him disobey me!" The man protested, "he CHOSE to go against what I told him. And now he has to suffer all his life...and that is HIS fault! I...am totally and completely blameless. Had he just done as I told him, he would not have gotten hurt!"

The doctor interrupts, "Sir. While it is true that the boy was shot because he disobeyed you; you took a gun that you did not HAVE to get, and placed it in an area where a curious, wides-eyed child has ridiculously easy access to it. I would dare to say that had the gun not been there, and had you not left your son alone with it; this whole ordeal would not exist. So you warned him not to touch it...but really! Seriously! You are a smart man...what do you THINK would happen?!

The father paused to think for a few moments before speaking again , "the boy should have just done what I told him. If he would have...this whole ordeal would not exist."

The mother and doctor's jaws drop as they stare at the husband; dumbfounded.
 

Agricola

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It is a parents responsibility to nuture and protect a child and raise them to be good people and obedient to God.

A child is a child, as a parent I know that simply saying NO is an invitation to do it, children are still immature and many have not learnt the concept of consequences of actions and just how dangerous things are until quite later on in life.

In the above scenario it is the fathers fault, had there been a responsible adult in the house instead of a child, the adult would not have touched the gun or would have known how to handle it safetly.

This brings to mind the verses from Luke Chapter 11.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For every one that asks receives; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Good human parents will not give the wrong things to children, nor put them at risk, so if a good parent, even though he maybe utterly evil, yes you can be a brilliant parent but evil, gives superb gifts and looks after the children, then as beleivers we will be given a superb gift from God, one which will help us when we need it, that is the Holy Spirit.
 

breno785au

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You might want a add a stranger walked into the house and deceived the boy into playing with the gun by twisting his fathers words. Or maybe too, have another sibling walk in and the boy who had the direct instruction from his father tell the sibling what his father said and then that sibling was the one who was deceived to playing with the gun.
 

Agricola

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I also forgot to add that children are naturally disobedient and therefore can not be trusted with anything, they are also weaker and slower in some areas and lacking in many other abilities and skills, as a result there are numerous tasks and jobs which are beyond a child. It is not until the child can demonstrate he is mature enough and competant enough to handle something or do a certain job, that the parent should be happy enough to know that the child will be safe in that situation, such as being left alone with a loaded gun.

In same way, humans are often like children, being disobedient to God and doing things that they shouldn't, which mature Christians will be disciplined and knowledgeable to cope with. Therefore God will only reward gifts to those people who He knows can handle them and use them in correct way without abusing them.
 

Trailblazer

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Why did God tell Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of Good and Evil? Was that tree needed?
Who is to blame for Adam and Eve eating of the forbidden fruit?
Did lack of common sense, and one not taking responsibility for there actions, come before or after they ate of the forbidden fruit?

The White House is safe with no crime? Nothing will surely ever happen there. Seems someone missed that memo by storming in there with a knife not to long ago.

If a woman was on a diet, and just loved Chocolate cake. A maker of a chocolate cake tells his wife how he just made his best tasting chocolate cake ever. How it is so nice and warm being just pulled out of the oven. I used the most rich, high quality, best tasting chocolate on the market. However! This chocolate is extremely fattening. anyone concerned with there weight should not even think of eating any of this cake.

He then ask his wife if she will keep an eye on the cake for about 10 mins. For he needs to go to the market and get some diet pills. When he returns. His wife ate the entire cake by herself.;)

I will let anyone as they wish tell the story of how the conversation with the cake maker, and the liposuction Dr might have went a few days later. LOL
 
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Chapel

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Agricola,

The entire scenario is a metaphor about the fall of man.

The father (God) puts a loaded gun (The Tree of Knowledge) within reach of the son (Man), and tells him not to touch it or bad things will happen.

When the father is not around the son disobeys the father and suffers horribly as a result; and will continue to suffer throughout his life.

In the end, the mother and doctor represent a view that is very much not Christian. An view which pretty much ask the question..."what would have happened to mankind if the Tree of Knowledge had not been a factor?" Or "what was even the point if the tree's existence in the first place?"

Also in the end, the father; pretty much sticks to the Christian belief that the suffering of man is totally, completely, because of Man's disobedience.
 

crossnote

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Agricola,

The entire scenario is a metaphor about the fall of man.

The father (God) puts a loaded gun (The Tree of Knowledge) within reach of the son (Man), and tells him not to touch it or bad things will happen.

When the father is not around the son disobeys the father and suffers horribly as a result; and will continue to suffer throughout his life.

In the end, the mother and doctor represent a view that is very much not Christian. An view which pretty much ask the question..."what would have happened to mankind if the Tree of Knowledge had not been a factor?" Or "what was even the point if the tree's existence in the first place?"

Also in the end, the father; pretty much sticks to the Christian belief that the suffering of man is totally, completely, because of Man's disobedience.
Big difference.
The child had a sinful nature;Adam and Eve did not. That's why Breno's #3 addition was needed...."You might want a add a stranger walked into the house and deceived the boy into playing with the gun by twisting his fathers words."
 

Trailblazer

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Agricola,

The entire scenario is a metaphor about the fall of man.

The father (God) puts a loaded gun (The Tree of Knowledge) within reach of the son (Man), and tells him not to touch it or bad things will happen.

When the father is not around the son disobeys the father and suffers horribly as a result; and will continue to suffer throughout his life.

In the end, the mother and doctor represent a view that is very much not Christian. An view which pretty much ask the question..."what would have happened to mankind if the Tree of Knowledge had not been a factor?" Or "what was even the point if the tree's existence in the first place?"

Also in the end, the father; pretty much sticks to the Christian belief that the suffering of man is totally, completely, because of Man's disobedience.
How funny! I could see that link about the fall of man. But I did not think that was your intentions.
I was about to add. Anyone stupid enough to do what you had mentioned in your scenario.
They probably do not have enough scruples to know which end to point a firearm. For it is best that they do not own
a gun.
 
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Chapel

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I greatly appreciate you and everyone else's input crossnote; thanks! You, amongst others, usually have great words of wisdom.

But I would like to ask you now...would a deceitful stranger had been necessary; if the loaded gun had not been left there?
 

djness

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In my opinion God never intended man to stay in the garden. I am pretty certain it was only the 8th day of creation when Adam and Eve sinned.

Why is that? That sounds like a destiny of predetermined failure. I know it sounds like that. I guess we can hope to ask God someday.
 
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Chapel

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djness,

Indeed it does seem that way...at least it does to us in our limited human ability of understanding.

God knows everything. Therefore, he already knew Adam would disobey Him, and He knew what the price of that disobedience would be. But despite knowing how things would play out...despite already knowing the pain The Tree of Knowledge would bring...He planted it in Eden anyway.

Makes you wonder.

II definitely hope to ask about it.
 

Blain

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This isnt an personal experience is it? Also my take on it is that with children when you tell them not to touch something that only makes them want to touch it more, the father is to blame because its extremely dumb to leave a fully loaded weapon in the presence of a child because children are naturally curious so of course he will want to at least hold it.

The father needs to own up to his failure and stop blaming the child
 

breno785au

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I greatly appreciate you and everyone else's input crossnote; thanks! You, amongst others, usually have great words of wisdom.

But I would like to ask you now...would a deceitful stranger had been necessary; if the loaded gun had not been left there?
As crossnote said, they didn't have a sinful nature, they were deceived into sin. Hence the need for a deceiver in your story.
 
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blue_ladybug

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This isnt an personal experience is it? Also my take on it is that with children when you tell them not to touch something that only makes them want to touch it more, the father is to blame because its extremely dumb to leave a fully loaded weapon in the presence of a child because children are naturally curious so of course he will want to at least hold it.

The father needs to own up to his failure and stop blaming the child

​Not to mention that this is not only a hypothetical scenario. Things like this happen all the time. Someone leaves a gun within reach of a child in their house, they tell the kid dont touch it cuz it aint a toy, then boom! The kid has picked it up and played with it and shot themselves. :(
 
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Chapel

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Hey Blain!

Please read what the story is a metaphor of...when you get the chance. Thanks!
 
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Chapel

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breno785au,

The point of the story is not to prove that Adam and Eve was deceived. It is to ask the question of the "Loaded Gun's" purpose. Christians have a tendency to completely ignore that.
 

breno785au

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breno785au,

The point of the story is not to prove that Adam and Eve was deceived. It is to ask the question of the "Loaded Gun's" purpose. Christians have a tendency to completely ignore that.
Oh ok sorry, I thought your analogy was about who was to blame? God or man for the fall because the tree was planted in their midst. Obviously the answer is not God but some would struggle with that. Sorry I see that you are trying to explain the trees purpose..carry on.
 
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Chapel

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breno785au,

Oh, I hope you didn't take it the wrong way. I apprtiate any input you have. The purpose of the tree...has been a wonder of mine since I was a small child. Never been able to get a good answer on tha. Thanks.
 

Agricola

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YEs I fail again, my life is like that at moment. one big failure.
 
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Chapel

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Not to all man! You're good!