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damombomb · Nov 2, 2014

Mahammad was just man. Jesus is the word made flesh, the creator, God with us, God in the flesh, reedemmer,savior,the only way. What did mahammad teach, a bunch of hupla, kill, spit on, burn, behead ( we are still seeing this). He does not believe
in the Jesus Christ come in the flesh, purely he was and taught hate(just like the enemy), he denied the diety of Jesus.
So if we compare to the bible confirmed by the prophets, he would fall in the catagory of a false prophet and the spirit of
A.C, denying the Lord Jesus. It is important to study the bible and get grounded in it, so every wind of doctrine that comes along, you can give an answer for, with confidence.

He said the angel Gabriel told him this. the bible say's this:
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. Same with other people claiming Mary came to them, ect
Mahahamd is dead, Jesus is ruling.big difference.

John 16:21"These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling. 2"They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. 3"These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me.…

Undertaker · Nov 2, 2014

ChristIsGod said:

The word that you posted the link to, translated that word from Song of Solomon 5:16 as "Muhammad".

It only took a second to look in my Hebrew O.T. for that verse and word and I'll give you the proper definition -- which is "not a name" and definitely not Muhammad .... it's ...

H4261
מחמד
machmâd
makh-mawd'
From H2530; delightful; hence a delight, that is, object of affection or desire: - beloved, desire, goodly, lovely, pleasant (thing).

Used also in these ways and places ...

H4261
מחמד
machmâd
Total KJV Occurrences: 11

pleasant, 5
1Ki_20:6, Isa_64:11, Lam_1:10, Hos_9:6, Joe_3:5
desire, 3
Eze_24:16, Eze_24:21, Eze_24:25
beloved, 1
Hos_9:16
goodly, 1
2Ch_36:19
lovely, 1
Son_5:16

So your link is full of beans. Sorry - sincerely.

what about listenning -again- to rabbis and find out how they pronounce it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cur_6aYs_7k

He was Muhammad and is Muhammad. Just accept it as such.

Undertaker · Nov 2, 2014

damombomb said:

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" ((and this was the message of all prophets sent by Allah from Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them all ) "There is no God but God" and if Jesus (peace be upon him) was a god or a son of god he would declare that strongly ))

Can God be a man,eat as man,feel hungry ,go to toilet ,is crucified,tortured and be seen and be heard ,cry on the cross and be spit on his face and doesn't have the power to destroy his enemies and pray to his god.What god is that ?

In John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

Saying Jesus is a god or a son of god is the biggest sin which God never forgive and Jesus himself prophesied that people would worship him uselessly and believe in doctrines made by men (Matthew 15:9). "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Jesus (peace be upon him) in this verse warns his followers from being worshippers to him .He ordered his people not to exaggerate in their love to him .

Here are 100 biblical responses to those who claim that Jesus is God

Actually no prophet on earth -even Jesus- said to his people that Jesus is our God. (we believe that there are no true prophets between Muhammad and Jesus )

Prophet said, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

Here the prophet Muhammad explicitly teaches the Muslims to not over-praise him, and he gets very specific by what he means, he says that we should not over praise him as the Christians do with Jesus. As we all know many Christians worship and revere Jesus, they believe he is God, and that he is the one in whom their salvation lies.

Tintin · Nov 2, 2014

Please, just go away. If you're going to preach your nonsense here, you're going to get banned.

purpose · Nov 2, 2014

I am totally Confused. I think i will stick with Jesus!!!!!!!

Tintin · Nov 3, 2014

purpose said:

Clarification: Stick with the Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible.

Bowman · Nov 3, 2014

Undertaker said:

اتخذوا أحبارهم ورهبنهم أربابا من دون الله

والمسيح ابن مريم وما أمروا إلا ليعبدوا إلها

وحدا لا إله إلا هو سبحنه عما يشركون

Ittakhathoo ahbarahum waruhbanahum arbaban min dooni Allahi waalmaseeha ibna maryama wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo ilahan wahidan la ilaha illa huwa subhanahu AAamma yushrikoona

9.31 They have taken their learned persons and their monks (as) lords from superior (to) “allah” and The Messiah, Mary's Son; and they commanded not except that they may worship one god, no god except He, glory be to Him from what they associate partners.

Observe that “allah” is included along with The Messiah, Jesus Christ, via the copulative conjunction “wa”, as being part and parcel of the prepositional phrase initiating with “min” (from).

Further, although "allah" and Jesus are listed separately, they are treated as ONE...via the singular "huwa" (him)...

This is the same exact method as used in the Holy Bible in many locations that proclaim the divinity of Jesus Christ...and, as such, the authors of the Koran have also copied this over into their opus.

The difference being that they have attempted to raise the pagan Arab god "allah" up to the Biblical deity status of Jesus Christ.

You will see the modern English translators deceitfully butchering this text by inserting all sorts of add-on-words in parenthesis – in order to make this ayah conform to the Islamic paradigm.

Fact of the matter is that this ayah proclaims Jesus Christ as God Almighty.

Bowman · Nov 3, 2014

More Biblical copying...

Sura 108

الكوثر

“Alkawthara”

“The River in Paradise”

(Named in honor of the Biblical Heaven)

Holding true to the warning given in the final chapter of Revelation, in which nothing should be added or subtracted from this Revelation to John, the authors who penned the Koran did just that, and simply paraphrased portions of Revelation while at the same time taking great liberties in mixing and matching its original order.

Once it is understood that legions of Koranic suras have been entirely composed of rewritten apocalyptic scripture, it then becomes quite clear that the heart of the intended Koranic message is a purely Biblical one, and is simply another delivery method for proclaiming Jesus as Lord.

Among numerous other things, sura 108 undeniably confirms to us these key points:

Only Jesus is the giver of eternal life
Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb
Jesus is worshiped as God

Summary:

108.1 Truly we gave you the River in Paradise. (Jesus provides the Water of Life in Heaven)

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice. (Jesus, as the sacrificial Lamb, is worshiped)

108.3 Truly your hater and enemy, he,the serpent. (Satan, the enemy to the followers of Jesus Christ)

Trailblazer · Nov 3, 2014

Undertaker said:

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord" ((and this was the message of all prophets sent by Allah from Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them all ) "There is no God but God" and if Jesus (peace be upon him) was a god or a son of god he would declare that strongly ))

Can God be a man,eat as man,feel hungry ,go to toilet ,is crucified,tortured and be seen and be heard ,cry on the cross and be spit on his face and doesn't have the power to destroy his enemies and pray to his god.What god is that ?

In John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

Saying Jesus is a god or a son of god is the biggest sin which God never forgive and Jesus himself prophesied that people would worship him uselessly and believe in doctrines made by men (Matthew 15:9). "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Jesus (peace be upon him) in this verse warns his followers from being worshippers to him .He ordered his people not to exaggerate in their love to him .

Here are 100 biblical responses to those who claim that Jesus is God

Actually no prophet on earth -even Jesus- said to his people that Jesus is our God. (we believe that there are no true prophets between Muhammad and Jesus )

Prophet said, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."

Here the prophet Muhammad explicitly teaches the Muslims to not over-praise him, and he gets very specific by what he means, he says that we should not over praise him as the Christians do with Jesus. As we all know many Christians worship and revere Jesus, they believe he is God, and that he is the one in whom their salvation lies.

I am happy to break the good news to you.
Many Muslims in the middle east are now having dreams Of Jesus, and are now converting to Christianity. This is because Jesus is alive and working in peoples lives still today. For Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. He always was, and always will be the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords for all of eternity. None of your false teachings can ever change that.

You are following some dead guy, who many Muslims murder for.
I choose to follow faithfully, The all loving God, Jesus. AMEN!

A_Friend_In_Christ · Nov 3, 2014

[SUP] ...[/SUP]that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[h=1]Philippians 2:10-11[/h]
One day there will be no more Muslims because all will convert to Jesus, amen. It is written...

Tintin · Nov 3, 2014

A_Friend_In_Christ said:

Not quite. All will recognised Christ as Lord but not all with turn to Him for salvation. Universalism and its ilk are a load of bollocks.

Markum1972 · Nov 3, 2014

Tintin said:

Right... let's not forget about the wrath that is poured out upon the earth before God sets his kingdom here. So... what Muslims? Yes, some will convert... but the rest will be destroyed by the wrath.

Gandalf · Nov 3, 2014

Undertaker said:

What are you trying to prove? The word one you are using in this verse is echad, this is the same word explaining to us that when you are married to a women you become one (echad). So from your point of view you and your wife are now one and the same being and you cannot discriminate against her like you do. LOL you guys are so twisted.

The original text in the Bible was Hebrew, why is there so many differences between the Quran and the Torah?

Undertaker · Nov 3, 2014

Gandalf said:

So, Let's ask those who speak Hebrew !

The word ‘echad, “one,” is used in the Jewish Scriptures in either a compound or absolute sense. In what sense is ‘echad used in the Shema, “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One” (Deuteronomy 6:4)?

Answer: In such verses as Genesis 1:5: “And there was evening and there was morning, one day,” and Genesis 2:24: “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh,” the term ‘echad, “one,” refers to a compound united one.
However, ‘echad often also means an absolute one. This is illustrated by such verses as 2 Samuel 13:30: “Absolom has slain all the king’s sons, and there is not one of them left”; 2 Samuel 17:12: “And of all the men that are with him we will not leave so much as one”; Exodus 9:7: “There did not die of the cattle of Israel even one”; 2 Samuel 17:22: “There lacked not one of them that was not gone over the Jordan”; Ecclesiastes 4:8: There is one [that is alone], and he has not a second; yea, he has neither son nor brother.”
Clearly, the word “one” used in these verses means an absolute one and is synonymous with the word yachid, “the only one,” “alone.” It is in this sense, with even greater refinement, that ‘echad is used in Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.” Here, ‘echad is used as a single, absolute, unqualified one. There is no mention of a triune god.
- See more at: Jews For Judaism | In what sense is ‘echad’ [one] used in the Shema?

Gandalf · Nov 3, 2014

Undertaker said:

So, Let's ask those who speak Hebrew !

The word ‘echad, “one,” is used in the Jewish Scriptures in either a compound or absolute sense. In what sense is ‘echad used in the Shema, “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One” (Deuteronomy 6:4)?

Answer: In such verses as Genesis 1:5: “And there was evening and there was morning, one day,” and Genesis 2:24: “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife, and they shall be one flesh,” the term ‘echad, “one,” refers to a compound united one.
However, ‘echad often also means an absolute one. This is illustrated by such verses as 2 Samuel 13:30: “Absolom has slain all the king’s sons, and there is not one of them left”; 2 Samuel 17:12: “And of all the men that are with him we will not leave so much as one”; Exodus 9:7: “There did not die of the cattle of Israel even one”; 2 Samuel 17:22: “There lacked not one of them that was not gone over the Jordan”; Ecclesiastes 4:8: There is one [that is alone], and he has not a second; yea, he has neither son nor brother.”
Clearly, the word “one” used in these verses means an absolute one and is synonymous with the word yachid, “the only one,” “alone.” It is in this sense, with even greater refinement, that ‘echad is used in Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.” Here, ‘echad is used as a single, absolute, unqualified one. There is no mention of a triune god.
- See more at: Jews For Judaism | In what sense is ‘echad’ [one] used in the Shema?

Again, what are you trying to prove? The only thing you are telling me is that you have one real God YHWH Elohim and that Allah is a fake and an idol like the rest of them. If you look at the first word in the Bible you have the salvation plan of Yeshua. If you look at Genesis 5 you see the salvation plan of Yeshua etc etc. Ignore it all you want but there is no place for Allah and Mohammed in the Hebrew text.

Gandalf · Nov 3, 2014

Undertaker said:

I am asking you again: The original text in the Bible was Hebrew, why is there so many differences between the Quran and the Torah?

sassylady · Nov 3, 2014

I think my son, who has read up on a lot of this type of thing, said that Mohammad put a lot of different things together from when he traveled. Sounds like it's not such a bad idea to get a quaran and read it so you know what they believe. I personally would be concerned about getting too confused if I did that.

biscuit · Nov 3, 2014

royalscot said:

if this is the case(never read the quran) ask him/her etc, what law saved you.

11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel.12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it.14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,16 was pleased to reveal his Son to me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone;17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.

Justified by Faith
15 We ourselves are Jews by birth(old covenant) and not Gentile sinners;16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
gal 1 and 2

Huh!! you aren't making any sense. Mohammad could neither read nor write and had the OT read to him by Jewish rabbis.

Gandalf · Nov 3, 2014

biscuit said:

I also heard that but I don’t know if that is the truth or not… I also heard the same about Shakespeare (couldn’t read or write) LOL

royalscot · Nov 3, 2014

10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
did the rabbi know jesus.
10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
Acts 15

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