Christians and crimes of the Jewish State

Straightshot · Nov 4, 2014

Yes, Satan is behind the game and struggles to win

Let the Lord Speak

12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

MsSpratt · Nov 4, 2014

[h=1]Settlers take over 7 E. Jerusalem homes in dead of night[/h]‘Settlers say that they bought the house, but they haven’t shown us any documents,’ says one Palestinian woman whose home settlers took over Tuesday morning. ‘Now they’re sleeping in my bed; all of our clothes and furniture is still inside.’

According to residents, the settlers arrived at around 2 a.m., escorted by large numbers of riot police.

Settlers take over 7 E. Jerusalem homes in dead of night | +972 Magazine

"You shall not murder.
“You shall not steal.
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Bride · Nov 4, 2014

Straightshot said:

No, you aren't, not by any right. Please stay on the subject, she's asked more than once. And who cares about that? Start your own thread eh?

Straightshot · Nov 4, 2014

You miss the entire point of truth .... it is not the human that tells the Lord how to run His universe

And until you get this in your head, if you ever do, you will continue taking a stand against His providence

He is the Lord .... we are not

Isaiah
46:8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.

46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Neither does He like to be mocked

Who says that the Lord has no Son?

Straightshot · Nov 4, 2014

Start your own thread eh?

Start yours .... eh

Bride · Nov 4, 2014

Straightshot said:

Yep

And this is Fulfilled in US NOW who are His Wife in the New Marriage Covenant to Israel'

(Heb 12:22)
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Of whom we are born!

(Gal 4:26)
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

(1Co 6:19)
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
(1Pe 2:6)
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
(Eph 2:20)
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
(Eph 2:21)
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
(Eph 2:22)
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
(Rev 12:1)
And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(Rev 21:2)
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(Rev 21:9)
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
(Rev 21:10)
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
(Rev 21:11)
Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
(Rev 21:12)
And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

ALL FULFILLED IN HOUSE IN CHRIST! Woohoo thank you JESUS MESSIAH OF ISRAEL!

blue_ladybug · Nov 4, 2014

Straightshot said:

now, now, children..quit squabbling..lol..

Straightshot · Nov 4, 2014

No you are not national Israel Bride .... replacement theology is bogus

The Lord is not finished with His nation of Israel

There are virtually scads of prophetic scripture that tell a very different story

Today's "church" is not national Isreal

kaylagrl · Nov 4, 2014

MsSpratt said:

No,the Jews are Gods chosen people.We Gentiles {Christians} are grafted in through the Jews,still Gods chosen people.

Straightshot · Nov 4, 2014

"No,the Jews are Gods chosen people.We Gentiles {Christians} are grafted in through the Jews,still Gods chosen people"

You are exactly right

Romans 11 explains this quite clearly ... and so do many other related scriptures

kaylagrl · Nov 4, 2014

MsSpratt said:

Israeli crimes are like American crimes.We hold people accountable and punish them. They have a code of ethics as we do and if it's breached they hold soldiers accountable.End of story.

Agricola · Nov 4, 2014

MsSpratt, I notice you are quick to condem and pour your venom and hatred onto Jews and Israel, using Palestinians as an excuse to do so. I say this because if you really did care about Palestinians then you would have posted a more pressing concern regarding Palestinians.

Palestinian homes have been bulldozed and many people made homeless, farm land and so on will be out of bounds and no one can go back. All this is to make a buffer zone on border with Gaza, which will include a huge wall and digging a deep moat filled with water to prevent tunnels being built.

However, you choose to ignore this as it is Egypt who are doing this, not Israel, so obviously you do not care and choose to ignore this, instead find every single piece of dirt, even if its fabrication and lies so you can pour your hatred out on Jews and Israel.

PennEd · Nov 4, 2014

MsSpratt said:

WE as in you and the Jews?
i suppose you look forward to their extermination, as enemies of the jews.
then after that, it could be christians. like you (?)

Amalekites in post-biblical era

In Jewish tradition, the Amalekites came to represent the archetypal enemy of the Jews. The concept has been used by some hassidic rabbis (particularly theBaal Shem Tov) to represent atheism or the rejection of God. Nur Masalha, Elliot Horowitz and Josef Stern suggest that Amalekites have come to represent an "eternally irreconcilable enemy" that wants to murder Jews, and that Jews in post-biblical times sometimes associate contemporary enemies with Haman or Amalekites, and that some Jews believe that pre-emptive violence is acceptable against such enemies.[12]

Armenians as Amalekites

Yiddish tradition identified Armenians as descendants of Amalek,[13] an ascription once current among Eastern Jews.[14] The tradition identifying Armenians and Amalekites goes back to the early 10th. century, when it is attested in the Byzantine chronicle Josippon attributed to the Southern Italian Jew Joseph ben Gorion.[15]:122

Nazis as Amalekites

A prominent 19th and early 20th century rabbi, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, claimed upon Kaiser Wilhelm's visit to Palestine in 1898, three decades before Hitler's rise to power, he had a tradition from his teachers that the Germans are descended from the ancient Amalekites.[19]The Nazis and Adolf Hitler have been referred to as Amalekites.[18]

Palestinians as Amalekites

Nur Masalha has written that:

"Frequently Jewish fundamentalists refer to the Palestinians as the 'Amalekites' … of today… According to the Old Testament, the Amalek … were regarded as the Israelites' inveterate foe, whose 'annihilation' became a sacred duty and against whom war should be waged until their 'memory be blotted out' forever (Ex 17:16; Deut 25:17-19)…. Some of the [modern] political messianics insist on giving the biblical commandment to 'blot out the memory of the Amalek' an actual contemporary relevance in the conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians.[22]

The Palestinians have been associated with Amalek since 1974 when Rabbi Moshe Ben-Tzion Ishbezari of Ramat Gan made the association in a book.[23]

When you read this woman's posts, you can almost feel the hatred she has for the Jews and Christians that love them. At the root of this hatred is the satanic "replacement theology" that these people use to justify the horrific treatment of the Jews through history. You cannot reason with them, you cannot agree to disagree with them, you can only pray that the Lord will change their stony hearts. Although I find these people truly revolting I truly try and love and pray for them.

Straightshot · Nov 4, 2014

Agreed PennEd

i might also suggest for you to read the view of the former Islamic terriorist Walid Shoebat, now a Christian if you have not

Walid is on the Internet

Bride · Nov 4, 2014

PennEd said:

What a horrible baseless accusation that she hates anybody. I am her friend. What is YOUR anger at her? I've read every post...
I am a jewiss, and would be dead in my disgusting sins if I hadn't received Jesus as the Messiah to Israel. Something my family of antichrists are most certainly not a part of, and certainly are not Israel in the least, regardless what name is on their charter. I was disowned and divorced by them for chasing after that "Christian b*stard g-d" they'd say. But I didn't believe them. I believe in the Israel that has Come to Christ for 2000 years now, the Nation bringing forth the fruit meet for repentance. The Bride of Christ. Israel married in the New Covenant in Christ's Blood.
Now I see this disgusting trend of "Christians" who don't know who they are, feeding this blood thirsty beast that the worldly newspapers call Israel. But it is a lie. They aren't Israel. The only true Israel is THIS Israel:
(Gal 6:14)
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

(Gal 6:15)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
(Gal 6:16)
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Bride · Nov 4, 2014

kaylagrl said:

I've heard this phrase bandied about by dispensationalists... is that what you are? Where is that term used, anywhere in the New Testament?

Y'know, I am a Jew in the flesh. Was I chosen before I became Chosen in Christ? Was that some special "chosen ness" that I had that you didn't? Or perhaps you imagine that I have the idea that I get a plot of land over there as some "natural" right by geneology? And if I was "chosen" before Receiving Christ, why did I receive Christ?? Can someone be "chosen" and NOT be in Christ? Like my Jewish family who hates him for instance?

Have you ever stopped to think about this?

I was broke off. You and I've both been grafted in by faith. Anyone who has received Christ is grafted into Israel by faith. There is NO OTHER GOSPEL. No Other Israel. The OLD Israel/Jerusalem is the reality of how we should always be looking at things;

(Gal 4:23)
But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
(Gal 4:24)
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(Gal 4:25)
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
(Gal 4:26)
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (CHRISTIANS).

(Gal 4:27)
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
(Gal 4:28)
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
(Gal 4:29)
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
(Gal 4:30)
Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son (fleshly Israel): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
(Gal 4:31)

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

(1Co 15:50)
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

crossnote · Nov 4, 2014

Something fishy with MsSpratt.

Last May, she was full of questions like the following, almost like a newbie Christian. ..

...now she comes on like a roaring anti Zionist, dogmatic on everything.
We must be downwind from Denmark.

Calminian · Nov 4, 2014

Mem said:

Seems you have your run of the mil anti-Semites on every board.

Calminian · Nov 4, 2014

Bride said:

I'm surprised I have to explain this to you being of jewish heritage, but the chosen-ness of the jews has nothing to do with individual election or even individual salvation. It's a national election. Israel nationally is the son (singular) of God, conceived and born out of Egypt. It's the only nation referred to as God's son—as it's the only nation created directly by God. And God will not abandon this nation, regardless of how many individuals in it abandon God.

But this does not mean that individual Israelites are saved by virtue of their nationality. Individuals are saved by coming to Christ, the promised zera'.

And dispensationalist is a theological term, much like trinity. Use of exact theological terms in scripture is never a validation of their accuracy or inaccuracy.

Bride · Nov 4, 2014

If all your heart is with the Jerusalem beneath, then you have the reward of the bondwoman and her son.

If you are Married to Christ in the New Marriage Covenant in Christ's Blood as Promised to Israel, then you are the Free Woman, the New Jerusalem. The only one who is CHOSEN.

Whew, how is it that I know of these things being a Jew, and you guys like to just blow some stereotyped "replacement theology" horn. You are perfectly divorcing yourself you know.

As for me, this is the fulfillment of the Old Testament Promises
(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his
mercy;

(Luk 1:16)
And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

(Luk 1:68)
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

(Luk 2:30)
For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

(Luk 2:31)
Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

(Luk 2:32)
A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

(Luk 1:80)
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

(Mat 15:24)
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

And This has been going on for 2000 years now.

If you aren't Israel, and I'm not saying you are, but if you aren't, you are in a world of hurt my friends.

I was born a Jew. But I was never of Israel, until I received Christ. And whoever you have been hearing a different gospel from, let them be anathema. For they are stealing your Bridal Gown of the Glory of the Sun, and they are stealing your crown of Twelve Stars, and they are stealing the very child of God from being born out of you.
Sounds to me like YOU'VE been WILLINGLY replaced,..

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