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judas was never saved.
you can not lose salvation, you can fall away from the gospel (hear it, try to walk it, but never fully accept it) but you can not fall away from being saved.
if you could God lied, and eternal life is not eternal it is conditional. we are back under the conditional covenant, and not under the eternal covenant, why do you want to go back under law? you want to do the same thing the jews did.
you can not lose salvation, you can fall away from the gospel (hear it, try to walk it, but never fully accept it) but you can not fall away from being saved.
if you could God lied, and eternal life is not eternal it is conditional. we are back under the conditional covenant, and not under the eternal covenant, why do you want to go back under law? you want to do the same thing the jews did.
".... because of unbelief they were broken off...."
If the fleshly Jews had continued to believe God and obeyed and kept the law they would have believed Christ and obeyed Him when he came, but they did not and were broken off.
As Paul says in Rom 10:3 the Jews were lost for they would not submit/obey the righteousness/commandments of God.
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
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Gen 17: [SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
I guess eternal does not mean eternal.
I guess eternal does not mean eternal.
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even the mosaic has provision for a return.
Lev 26:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:
I am the Lord.’”
I guess the lord did not make these promises.
Lev 26:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
[SUP]41 [/SUP]and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
[SUP]42 [/SUP]then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God:
I am the Lord.’”
I guess the lord did not make these promises.
Yes of course, that is us! We who have been gathered into His Holy City Jerusalem 
We are all Israel, the Remnant gathered as promised, now fulfilled in usward who believe;
(Rom 9:24)
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
(Rom 9:25)
As he saith also in Hosea, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
(Rom 9:26)
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
(Rom 9:27)
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
(Rom 11:5)
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
CHRISTIANS! Oh it is so crystal clear, I just Love the Holy Writ!
The prophecies to Israel fulfilled! Thank you Jesus!
We are all Israel, the Remnant gathered as promised, now fulfilled in usward who believe;(Rom 9:24)
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
(Rom 9:25)
As he saith also in Hosea, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
(Rom 9:26)
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
(Rom 9:27)
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
(Rom 11:5)
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
CHRISTIANS! Oh it is so crystal clear, I just Love the Holy Writ!
The prophecies to Israel fulfilled! Thank you Jesus!
But this does not nullify the time after the rapture when God once again deals mainly with the Jews, called Jacob's trouble and finishes His OT promises to Israel through His Kingdom reign.
Exactly The fullness of Israel "Comes in" when they accept Christ. The people out of the Nations/Gentiles who have been receiving this Gospel of salvation have their "eyes opened". It's been going on 2000 years now. Folks who see the Glorious Gospel to Israel shining in the face of Christ the Messiah, are No longer ignorant of the OT mystery of salvation to the remnant of Israel, but Now Fulfilled in US who are grafted in, regardless of race creed or sex.
Very good understanding. Thank you for those scriptures, they really say it plain
The fullness of Israel "Comes in" when they accept Christ. The people out of the Nations/Gentiles who have been receiving this Gospel of salvation have their "eyes opened". It's been going on 2000 years now. Folks who see the Glorious Gospel to Israel shining in the face of Christ the Messiah, are No longer ignorant of the OT mystery of salvation to the remnant of Israel, but Now Fulfilled in US who are grafted in, regardless of race creed or sex. Very good understanding. Thank you for those scriptures, they really say it plain
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This "squeeze" is so severe only 10% of Israel lives through it...
Eze 5:2 You shall burn with fire one-third in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are finished; then you shall take one-third and strike around it with the sword, and one-third you shall scatter in the wind: I will draw out a sword after them.
Eze 5:3 You shall also take a small number of them and bind them in the edge of your garment.
Eze 5:4 Then take some of them again and throw them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire. From there a fire will go out into all the house of Israel.
Isa 6:11 Then I said, "Lord, how long?" And He answered: "Until the cities are laid waste and without inhabitant, The houses are without a man, The land is utterly desolate,
Isa 6:12 The LORD has removed men far away, And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.
Isa 6:13 But yet a tenth will be in it, And will return and be for consuming, As a terebinth tree or as an oak, Whose stump remains when it is cut down. So the holy seed shall be its stump."
Eze 5:2 You shall burn with fire one-third in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are finished; then you shall take one-third and strike around it with the sword, and one-third you shall scatter in the wind: I will draw out a sword after them.
Eze 5:3 You shall also take a small number of them and bind them in the edge of your garment.
Eze 5:4 Then take some of them again and throw them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire. From there a fire will go out into all the house of Israel.
Isa 6:11 Then I said, "Lord, how long?" And He answered: "Until the cities are laid waste and without inhabitant, The houses are without a man, The land is utterly desolate,
Isa 6:12 The LORD has removed men far away, And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.
Isa 6:13 But yet a tenth will be in it, And will return and be for consuming, As a terebinth tree or as an oak, Whose stump remains when it is cut down. So the holy seed shall be its stump."
Rom 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
Rom 11:2 "God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,"
Paul is NOT talking about fleshly Israel here but is referring to spiritual Jews (Christians) and spiritual Israel (the church).
Paul was a fleshly Jew but was not of the fleshly Jews that were cast off for Paul became a Christian. Paul could not be saved simply being a fleshly Jew but had to obey the gospel and become a Christian. So even though God cast off fleshly Israel God did not cast them off so much so they could not be saved, but could be saved by becoming a Christian as Paul.
Rom 11:2 the people (not nation) that God foreknew are the ones that obey God>Christians. The nation Israel was cast off as seen in the following verses of Rom 11:15-25.
In Rom 11:3-5 Paul demonstrates who God's people are. In OT times during the time of Elijah God's people were the ones that OBEYED. Paul goes on to say in this present time God's people are the ones that OBEY Him, that obey the gospel > elect according to grace.
Rom 11:26 "And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:"
The Israel here is spiritual Israel the church, Christians, not fleshly Israel. THis spiritual Israel will be saved by Christ the Deliverer.
Rom 11:27 "For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."
This spiritual Israel, the church/Christians would have their sins remitted by Christ. This could not happen with fleshly Israel under the law for they had no remission of sins under that law being without the blood of Christ. So there would be a new covenant with spiritual Israel, the gospel through which sins are remitted. Again, Rom 11:15-25 fleshly Israel had been cast off so verses 25,26 cannot be talking about this fleshly nation. When the fullness of the Gentiles come in/reaped then both Jew and Gentile will make up the church (spiritual Israel) and God's harvest is concluded.,,,,,So all Israel (spiritual Israel, Christians > Spiritual Jews (Rom 2:28,29) made up of both Jews and Gentiles) shall be saved.