Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[peacefulbeliever]

If God gives you a promise that is CONDITIONAL and tells YOU to do something and YOU do not do it does that mean that God MUST FULFILL that promise? Every that God says in chapters 40-48 are ONE UNIT and it is CONDITIONED on the premise that they were to DO IT. It was designed to be a TEST OF THEIR FAITHFULNESS to His word. You left out the beginning part of that

Ezekiel 47

[SUP]21 [/SUP]“You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. [SUP]22 [/SUP]You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. [SUP]23 [/SUP]In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,” declares the Sovereign Lord.

And by the way did you catch that God tells Israel that the land is an inheritance for BOTH Israel and FOREIGNERS RESIDING AMONG THEM AND HAVE CHILDREN? They are to be allotted an INHERITANCE AMONG THEM. Where in Ezekiel 40-48 does God tell in there that HE WOULD DO IT FOR THEM IF THEY DID NOT OBEY?
Do you understand that when Ezekiel was given the vision and told to tell the children of Israel all those things and that they were to do it,they were STILL IN BABYLON. These are the instructions of what they are to do ONCE they go back to the land.

Ezekiel 43

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the people of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their sins. Let them consider its perfection, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations[SUP][d][/SUP] and laws. Write these down before them so that they may be faithful to its design and follow all its regulations.

God even tells them to be FAITHFUL to it's design. This is given to them to do once they returned from Babylon. There is no temple at this time,they are not in the land at this time. It given to them BEFORE they returned.

I apologize but I am having a hard time following your train of thought and understanding you. I have sat all morning trying to put my thoughts in order so that I can reply - NOTHING - ZILCH.

It's not that I can't explain what I believe but your questions fly from here to there - and then I can't put my thoughts together for a cohesive reply.

Hey, could just be me this morning, LOL . . .

 

[john832]

I see the restoration as taking place in Jesus, culminating in his death, resurrection and ascension. I don't see this as some far off, 2500+ year later fulfillment.

JimmieD my friend, the restoration (NKJV calls it that, KJV calls it restitution) occurs at the return...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. - KJV

Act 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. - NKJV

Christ returns and the restoration begins.

 

[JimmieD]

JimmieD my friend, the restoration (NKJV calls it that, KJV calls it restitution) occurs at the return...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. - KJV

Act 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. - NKJV

Christ returns and the restoration begins.

Peter seems to have understood the restoration to be realized in Jesus and happening right then and there.

3:18 But the things God foretold long ago through[SUP] [/SUP]all the prophets – that his Christ[SUP] [/SUP]would suffer – he has fulfilled in this way.

[SUP] [/SUP]3:26 God raised up[SUP] [/SUP]his servant and sent him first to you, to bless you by turning each one of you from your iniquities.

Peter's speech in chapter 2 reflects the same idea. The promises of God were being realized in Jesus. Peter was not expecting something 2000+ years into the future - Peter thought he was experiencing those expectations right then and there.

 

[crossnote]

You have shown that YOU cannot even prove if one is a true Jew or not. So you have no right to call anyone that does not fall in line with your unbiblical positions "antisemite".

Just answer my counter question. How do you know there is no way to tell that they are Jews when Antisemites have persecuted them down through the last 18 centuries or so? Were they persecuting the wrong group all this time?

 

[crossnote]

Jn 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

Jesus' kingdom, the church is not an earthly, physical, economic type kingdom but a spiritual one. The church therefore does not need land to dwell in.

Right, the Church is not a physical kingdom but Israel includes one.

 

[jahsoul]

Just answer my counter question. How do you know there is no way to tell that they are Jews when Antisemites have persecuted them down through the last 18 centuries or so? Were they persecuting the wrong group all this time?

You do know being a Semite has nothing to do with being a Jew right? Just wanted to make that clear since that term is thrown around like a football with the wrong definition.

 

[john832]

Peter seems to have understood the restoration to be realized in Jesus and happening right then and there.

3:18 But the things God foretold long ago throughall the prophets – that his Christwould suffer – he has fulfilled in this way.

3:26 God raised uphis servant and sent him first to you, to bless you by turning each one of you from your iniquities.

Peter's speech in chapter 2 reflects the same idea. The promises of God were being realized in Jesus. Peter was not expecting something 2000+ years into the future - Peter thought he was experiencing those expectations right then and there.

Look around you, has the earth been restored to the condition it was in just prior to Gen 3:6? Do we really think this is the world God intended? Or is the current mess we are in the result of the influence of the Devil and sin? When Christ returns the first order of business is to incarcerate the source...

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
Rev 20:3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Then we will see the earth transformed...

Isa 2:2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.
Isa 2:3 Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 He shall judge between the nations, And rebuke many people; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isa 11:6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.
Isa 11:10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious."

Isa 35:1 The wilderness and the wasteland shall be glad for them, And the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the rose;
Isa 35:2 It shall blossom abundantly and rejoice, Even with joy and singing. The glory of Lebanon shall be given to it, The excellence of Carmel and Sharon. They shall see the glory of the LORD, The excellency of our God.
Isa 35:3 Strengthen the weak hands, And make firm the feeble knees.
Isa 35:4 Say to those who are fearful-hearted, "Be strong, do not fear! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, With the recompense of God; He will come and save you."
Isa 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, And the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
Isa 35:6 Then the lame shall leap like a deer, And the tongue of the dumb sing. For waters shall burst forth in the wilderness, And streams in the desert.
Isa 35:7 The parched ground shall become a pool, And the thirsty land springs of water; In the habitation of jackals, where each lay, There shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
Isa 35:8 A highway shall be there, and a road, And it shall be called the Highway of Holiness. The unclean shall not pass over it, But it shall be for others. Whoever walks the road, although a fool, Shall not go astray.
Isa 35:9 No lion shall be there, Nor shall any ravenous beast go up on it; It shall not be found there. But the redeemed shall walk there,
Isa 35:10 And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, And come to Zion with singing, With everlasting joy on their heads. They shall obtain joy and gladness, And sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

Mic 4:1 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And peoples shall flow to it.
Mic 4:2 Many nations shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 He shall judge between many peoples, And rebuke strong nations afar off; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore.
Mic 4:4 But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, And no one shall make them afraid; For the mouth of the LORD of hosts has spoken.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

JimmieD my friend, the restoration (NKJV calls it that, KJV calls it restitution) occurs at the return...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. - KJV

Act 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. - NKJV

Christ returns and the restoration begins.

hmm. Great read, And also a "post pentecost" view of the future kingdom and restoration.

Nice find..

 

[Straightshot]

John 832 has the biblical view .... no doubt

The preterists on this thread live in an unrealistic dogma from which they cannot escape

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Peter seems to have understood the restoration to be realized in Jesus and happening right then and there.

3:18 But the things God foretold long ago throughall the prophets – that his Christwould suffer – he has fulfilled in this way.

3:26 God raised uphis servant and sent him first to you, to bless you by turning each one of you from your iniquities.

Peter's speech in chapter 2 reflects the same idea. The promises of God were being realized in Jesus. Peter was not expecting something 2000+ years into the future - Peter thought he was experiencing those expectations right then and there.

yes he was, The spiritual. Salvation has come to all people.

But you can not negate the physical.

 

[SarahM777]

hmm. Great read, And also a "post pentecost" view of the future kingdom and restoration.

Nice find..

EG where in that passage is there ONE WORD ABOUT AN EARTHLY KINGDOM? By the way do you want to FINISH the rest of that passage or IGNORE it?

[SUP]22 [/SUP]For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Indeed, beginning with Samuel, all the prophets who have spoken have foretold these days. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]26 [/SUP]When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”

 

[Straightshot]

John 832 has the biblical view .... no doubt

The preterists on this thread live in an unrealistic dogma from which they cannot escape

 

[Straightshot]

And the preteristic replacement theology attached is totally bogus with no biblical moorings whatsoever

Those who tout will pay a heavy price for attempting to destroy the very fabric of the Lord's prophetic Word [Revelation 22:18-19]

"and even though heaven and earth shall pass away, my Word will never pass away"

 

[SarahM777]

Do you even understand the KINGDOM that is to be restored? It is NOT AN EARTHLY KINGDOM. The kingdom that is to be restored is the very kingdom they rejected in 1 Samuel. They did WANT a King ruling from heaven. God's intent was ALWAYS that He would rule as King FROM HEAVEN.

1 Samuel 8

[SUP]4 [/SUP]So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. [SUP]5 [/SUP]They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to lead[SUP][b][/SUP] us, such as all the other nations have.”
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. [SUP]8 [/SUP]As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. [SUP]11 [/SUP]He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. [SUP]13 [/SUP]He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. [SUP]14 [/SUP]He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. [SUP]15 [/SUP]He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[SUP][c][/SUP] and donkeys he will take for his own use. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. [SUP]18 [/SUP]When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The Lord answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”
Then Samuel said to the Israelites, “Everyone go back to your own town.”

That is the KINGDOM that God has restored with Jesus at the right hand of the Father. It is not a kingdom ruled from EARTH but from HEAVEN.

 

[crossnote]

You do know being a Semite has nothing to do with being a Jew right? Just wanted to make that clear since that term is thrown around like a football with the wrong definition.

I'm using the popular definition, not anything technical. Antisemetic=against Jews (lineage of Jacob). Give it whatever definition you want, but you know where I'm coming from.

 

[Straightshot]

And the "Jews" are Semitic .... Abraham was a descendant of Noah's son Shem

.... so are all of the tribes of Israel

And yes, everybody knows what "anti-Semitic" means today

 

[JimmieD]

And the preteristic replacement theology attached is totally bogus with no biblical moorings whatsoever

Those who tout will pay a heavy price for attempting to destroy the very fabric of the Lord's prophetic Word [Revelation 22:18-19]

Does this mean you think preterists are going to hell? Classic.

This is easily refutable. It's you who interpret the book of Revelation incorrectly. And what does the book say about those who interpret it incorrectly? See Revelation 22:18-19.

In all seriousness though, do you not realize that the issue is over interpretation and not what words should or shouldn't be in the book? Is this really beyond your comprehension?

 

[Straightshot]

Neither you nor I know who is "going to hell"

Only the Lord knows

But there is a right way to understand the Lord's Word .... and a wrong way

And the right way is dependent upon whether the reader has been regenerated and infused with His holy spirit [John 16:13]

Believe this .... or not

There is a way that seems right to a man that will only bring him death ..... the line has been drawn

Instead of bickering about what others do not know, why don't you tell the forum what you think you know

Your negative gainsaying seems to be all tat your know

Out with it .... what is your beef

 

[john832]

Neither you nor I know who is "going to hell"

Only the Lord knows

But there is a right way to understand the Lord's Word .... and a wrong way

And the right way is dependent upon whether the reader has been regenerated and infused with His holy spirit [John 16:13]

Believe this .... or not

There is a way that seems right to a man that will only bring him death ..... the line has been drawn

Instead of bickering about what others do not know, why don't you tell the forum what you think you know

Your negative gainsaying seems to be all tat your know

Out with it .... what is your beef

This has not even been determined today, it occurs AFTER the Millennium and the Last Great Day...

Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[JamesFlash]

Right, the Church is not a physical kingdom but Israel includes one.

huh? two separate groups? that's ridiculous.