THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[VCO]

well that is too bad becaus ethe 71 week has already been fullfilled it has nothing to do with revelation end tims prove all things

Where did you learn this from man or the bible

2 Peter 3:3-4 (ESV)
3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

 

[ELECT]

2 Peter 3:3-4 (ESV)
3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

what is the purpose of the verse thou has posted ? in the last days perilous times shall come

Why will not God take His people to not suffer in the perilous times ?

 

[ELECT]

Why are those who believe in the Calling Out of the Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, so full of JOY;
WHILE those who Deny it, are so lacking in Joy?

Matthew 7:20 (NIV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Galatians 5:22-23 (NIV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Psalm 16:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] You have made known to me the path of life;you will fill me with joy in your presence, with eternal pleasures at your right hand.

Luke 2:10 (GW)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The angel said to them, “Don't be afraid! I have good news for you, a message that will fill everyone with joy.

Acts 2:28 (NIV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] You have made known to me the paths of life; you will fill me with joy in your presence.'

Romans 15:13 (ESV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

Are we NOT supposed to be fruit inspectors, when we want to test a Teacher, as well as search the Scriptures when we want to test his teachings, like the Bereans did Paul?

1 Thessalonians 3:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] How can we thank God enough for you in return for all the joy we have in the presence of our God because of you?

yet they can be full of joy and yet dont have on the wedding garmet


the rapture is a coward so called christian doctrine God dont operate like that

He Is a God of war

how do you understand ps 91 the whole of it ?

 

[popeye]

How long was he given power over the saints ?

42 mo......but then it says"11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:.
It says he kills ALL who do not worship him.Anyone w/o the mark dies.That is clear.
It even says the second beast basically mops up the stragglers.
You can not possibly miss that all the saints are killed.​

 

[popeye]

yet they can be full of joy and yet dont have on the wedding garmet


the rapture is a coward so called christian doctrine God dont operate like that

He Is a God of war

how do you understand ps 91 the whole of it ?

The rapture is the gathering of the bride. It has to do with the "Mansions" and "wine" in heaven during the GT.
It is the times of the gentiles fulfilled.That is why AC is COMISSIONED to kill those left behind.....to end the times of the gentiles.That is why we do not see the church on earth during the GT.
Also why the trib is called "Jacobs/Israels' trouble"

 

[VCO]

yet they can be full of joy and yet dont have on the wedding garmet


the rapture is a coward so called christian doctrine God dont operate like that

He Is a God of war

how do you understand ps 91 the whole of it ?

Does everyone see the lack of JOY?

Matthew 7:15-16 (ISV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheeps' clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By their fruit you will know them. Grapes aren't gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they?

Is this post made up of Grapes and figs, or is it made up of thorns and thistles?

That verse really does help us identify the false teachers, doesn't it?

 

[VCO]

Every time I see the suns rays pop through the clouds, this bubbling joy wells up in my chest.

I get all excited because it could be our Bridegroom, and one day it will be!

Once when I was on my mail route driving towards the ocean two blocks away, I saw this round hole open up suddenly in the clouds, and the rays shoot out of that hole, and I became full of joy and excitement. I quickly park my mail truck, because I really expected to be caught up with my Bridegroom, Jesus Christ. Do I get disappointed when it is not? NO WAY! It means HE is giving us a little more time to get a few more Saved.

Do I have that Joy at other times too? Everyday that I am healthy, and sometimes even when I am not. It bubbles up in me every time I think about my LORD. Sure it is not 24/7, but it is there MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.

Here is the west end of my old mail route:

These are the kind of scenes that thrill me.

 

[popeye]

Every time I see the suns rays pop through the clouds, this bubbling joy wells up in my chest.

I get all excited because it could be our Bridegroom, and one day it will be!

Once when I was on my mail route driving towards the ocean two blocks away, I saw this round hole open up suddenly in the clouds, and the rays shoot out of that hole, and I became full of joy and excitement. I quickly park my mail truck, because I really expected to be caught up with my Bridegroom, Jesus Christ. Do I get disappointed when it is not? NO WAY! It means HE is giving us a little more time to get a few more Saved.

Do I have that Joy at other times too? Everyday that I am healthy, and sometimes even when I am not. It bubbles up in me every time I think about my LORD. Sure it is not 24/7, but it is there MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.

Here is the west end of my old mail route:

These are the kind of scenes that thrill me.

There is no other position to rest in except pretrib. Otherwise I am not even a "foolish virgin". For even the "foolish" were wise enough to at least watch and wait with the wise.
Very,very sobering to know some solid believers will be left behind due to busy mentality that resulted in the weighty matters being left undone. In older times it was referred to as intercorse with God/Jesus
Jesus,don't let me miss the rapture of your holy bride.

BTW,in the virgins parable the "I never 'knew' you" statement could be compared to the "mary 'knew' no man" (had intercorse)
all 10 virgins were pretrib LOL

 

[popeye]

school bus analogy;

The children gather on the corner KNOWING the bus is coming. 3 'a' Students are late as the bus arrives,loads the children and departs. Naturally everyone assumes correctly those entering the bus earlier soon arrive in their classrooms. Those 'late' ones do arrive later via "other" transport.

Now,my little analogy has a few holes in it but it is to showcase the 'bus'.
Nobody I know of has ever centered in on the bus as the dominant dimension of the day.
So it is with the rapture. Awesome and spectacular as it is,it is not by any means the core of God's purpose. It is in fact a 'vehicle' of purpose. Not a concept of doctrine or the core of heaven.

Some do not see the "bus" in the school pamplet and therefore insist it does not exist. They say "i never saw a bus" or " 'bus' is nowhere in the pamplet" as if it makes the bus decide to void itself or something. Then to top it off,since they reject the concept or resist it's very existance,they,not having children,begin to resent the very Idea that those kids have an "easy way out".
"why this bus Idea was never taught before 1830 !!!!"
"Jesuits erroneously made up the bus error to keep the pope happy"
" a little girl dreamed some big yellow thing and dummies believed her"
"Darby was so stupid to think buses would one day carry 50 children"
"those wimps.Why would anyone not want to walk through thugs with chains and ball bats,then splash and flail through alligator infested swamps and not prefer such self mutilation to a cheap way out bus"!!!! Such wimps!! I feel sorry for them!!!

UH,sir,did you read the pamplet? it does infact say "vehicle" will fetch your kids but it is optional.
"Thats no option.Children need a good beating to operate properly in school. The principal said so.""

Uh,no,he said licks would be given for infractions and such,but those obedient and diligent receive rewards. You must be referring to false religions that whip themselves to a bloody mess?

And so on LOL

 

[PlainWord]

no, Daniel doesn't teach anything like that.
please direct me to the passage identifying a rejuvenated Ottoman Empire.

Glad to. Satan's Seat is in Turkey, the last of 7 Beast empires. The 7 Churches of Asia Minor that John writes to in Rev 2-3 are all located in modern day Turkey - See map.

Rev 2:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“And to the angel of the church in Pergamos (TURKEY) write,


‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: [SUP]13 [/SUP]“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

So we see that Satan's throne is in Turkey. Also in Turkey is Ephesus where the Sun God Diana was worshiped (Acts 19). The worship of Diana and the worship of Allah use the same Satanic symbol of the Crescent and Star which goes back to Babylon and Egypt.

Rev 13: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed.

An Alliance of Northern Islamic States comprised of 10 Nations/Groups will include Iran, Iraq, and Syria or which extends into Turkey. Daniel describes these same leopard, bear, lion nations.

Rev 17: [SUP]8 [/SUP]The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is....

Of the 7 BEAST KINGDOMS, only Turkey did not have an immediate successor. Thus Turkey was, than was not, but when she returns (like she is starting to do now), she will be yet is.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.

Turkey will lead the 10 horn Northern Beast Kingdom and thus Turkey was the 8th but is of the Seven.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the ten horns which you saw onthe beast, these will hate the harlot (MECCA), make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.

You see the Northern Arab Alliance currently comprised of an ever expanding ISIS who has just joined forces with former Al Qaeda and soon will merge with Iran and Turkey. They hate the Saudis and will make war with them. It will likely be nukes from Turkey or Iran that will destroy the HARLOT (MECCA). But, I digress...

Daniel 7:8


I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.

This is the same reference as we find in Rev 13:

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continuefor forty-two months.

Again, the Ottoman Empire (1299 to 1922) was the 7th and last of the continuous line of BEAST Empires of Satan. These 7 historical empires all had one thing in common - they led the world in False Religion. When Turkey fell and was divided up after WWI, the line was broken. But Turkey will ascend from the broken line (mortally wounded) and return to power.

The Golden Horn is found in Istanbul, Turkey and it indeed is a "little horn."

 

[PlainWord]

and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.

so is ISIS the beast?

when does/did (his?) 42 months begin?

No, ISIS may very likely be part of the BEAST. The BEAST is comprised of 10 "Nations" or entities from the region ISIS is currently operating in.

When does the 42 months start??? I believe it may already have started but we shall see.

 

[PlainWord]

2 Peter 3:3-4 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine...

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

If there was a Rapture, there would be no scoffing... It isn't your fellow Christians doing the scoffing - although we disagree with you - it will be the wicked world who has been listening to your LEFT BEHIND RAPTURE stories who will scoff because again, if the rapture happened, there would be nothing to scoff at.

 

[PlainWord]

Does the mark of the beast exist now ? Why or Why not ?

The Mark of the Beast absolutely exists today and has been in existence for a very long time. They just aren't stopping people from buying and selling yet. This mark is the mark of Islam. The number 666 comes from an ancient symbol of 36 constellations all having gods named after them. If you add up the gods, 1-2-3-4, etc to 36 you get 666.

The above square is really a cube. Like this cube.

Muslims worship the exact same way that the Babylonians worshiped in Daniel's day.

 

[Hoffco]

If there was a Rapture, there would be no scoffing... It isn't your fellow Christians doing the scoffing - although we disagree with you - it will be the wicked world who has been listening to your LEFT BEHIND RAPTURE stories who will scoff because again, if the rapture happened, there would be nothing to scoff at.

I would rephrase your statement. WHEN the rapture HAPPENS, This is better, more correct.! THEN there will be no more scoffing, The wicked will be crying on the rocks to kill then and hide then fro the WRATH of GOD and the LAMB, BECAUSE, ever eye will see HIM, Rev. 6:12-17. WHEN, "the rapture happened, there would be nothing to scoff at." THIS change of ONE word, makes you statement correct. Love to all Hoffco

 

[PlainWord]

what is the purpose of the verse thou has posted ? in the last days perilous times shall come

Why will not God take His people to not suffer in the perilous times ?

Dear Elect,

You should stop wasting your time on VCO. I'm sure I loves the Lord and is saved. He just has been following the Traditions of Men and has reinvented scripture to fit his one BIG false doctrine. Because of this VCO will never see the truth and will not have any insight to what is rapidly coming. I love him as a Brother but he is too far gone to change.

 

[Hoffco]

To PlainWord, This is very revealing to me. the "cube 666 in Mecca, Saudi Arabia , ??, I think,? The "man of sin" could very well be the king of Saudi Arabia,. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[PlainWord]

There is no other position to rest in except pretrib. Otherwise I am not even a "foolish virgin". For even the "foolish" were wise enough to at least watch and wait with the wise.
Very,very sobering to know some solid believers will be left behind due to busy mentality that resulted in the weighty matters being left undone. In older times it was referred to as intercorse with God/Jesus
Jesus,don't let me miss the rapture of your holy bride.

BTW,in the virgins parable the "I never 'knew' you" statement could be compared to the "mary 'knew' no man" (had intercorse)
all 10 virgins were pretrib LOL

Some so called "believers" even alter the message of salvation to go along with altering the correct order of when Christ returns. I don't recall any passage that tells us you must believe in the pre-trib rapture to be saved or even taken (assuming such a thing was real).

Romans 10:9


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Apparently the above path no longer works. We must now also believe in a man invented theory from 1830 to be saved.

 

[Hoffco]

The "king of the north" Turkey could very well be the king of the North who opposes the peace treaty which the "man of sin , King of the South( S.A.) makes with Israel.?? The "king of the North" and her friends, will march south to destroy the peaceful Israel and the king of the South. Love to all hoffco

 

[PlainWord]

I would rephrase your statement. WHEN the rapture HAPPENS, This is better, more correct.! THEN there will be no more scoffing, The wicked will be crying on the rocks to kill then and hide then fro the WRATH of GOD and the LAMB, BECAUSE, ever eye will see HIM, Rev. 6:12-17. WHEN, "the rapture happened, there would be nothing to scoff at." THIS change of ONE word, makes you statement correct. Love to all Hoffco

Thanks. I was thinking about how this scoffing will come about. We are already past the point most Pre-Tribbers think we should be gone. But as things get progressively worse, these same Pre-tribbers will keep upping the volume of their doctrine telling to world that Christ will return any moment because they can't even believe He hasn't come yet. This will cause the unbeliever to scoff at them because we are still here. That is what I meant.

 

[Hoffco]

The imminent rapture is being blown out of the water, Dr. John DeBrine of Song time USA, is now saying, "We used to say, Jesus may come soon, now we are saying, Jesus must come soon." LOL. He and Hal Lindsey and all the pre-raptureists, are getting nervous, over their false position of pre-trib. rapture. LOL. Love Hoffco