Is it possible to get, "unborn again"?

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eternally-gratefull

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Just because you used scripture doesn't mean you used the right scripture to back up your theory.
Anyone call pull verses from the bible, doesn't mean it proves your opinion on the matter. It comes back to being able to understand the verse being used in the first place.
So you have your belief I'll have mine.
God doesn't lie or change His word.

amen, thats why we have hope.

in the hope of eternal life, which God, who can not lie, promised before time began.

if we do not have eternal life. Then we have no hope. no hope. no faith. Nothing emptiness.

They can have their hope in self. I will continue to have my hope in God and HIS promise.
 

Jabberjaw

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Just because you used scripture doesn't mean you used the right scripture to back up your theory.
Anyone call pull verses from the bible, doesn't mean it proves your opinion on the matter. It comes back to being able to understand the verse being used in the first place.
So you have your belief I'll have mine.
God doesn't lie or change His word.
And you have yet, with other than opinion given explanation why the scripture I quoted of Peter warning us that the devil wishes to devour us? (now he can't devour something he already devoured can he)

Let me guess, you think Peter is telling us we were never really not devoured?
 

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Yours is opinion, I used scripture, I showed Peter warning the saved the devil wished to devour them, that means they can be lost, where is anything to back up your "opinion?"
Just because the devil wishes to devour all of us doesn't mean it's gonna happen.
 
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talk about opinion, even Ephesians which you quoted speaks of 'sealed unto the day of redemption'.
do you have a plastic wrap with that seal?.....what is your mark of identification that separates you from the rest of the world...???
 
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You cannot fall from grace if you never had it. still calling names and using short had for cursing, real class example you show... that's what you do when the big dogs tree you.

The mere fact anyone is alive is but the grace of God

the mere fact anyone gets to HEAR and understand the gospel of God is by the grace of God.

That does not mean anyone has placed their FAITH in that gospel. they may try it out. then decide they really did not believe it in the first place (like the hebrews who went back to law) and mock Gods crucifiction of Christ (putting him to shame) and fall from the grace which COULD HAVE SAVED THEM.

it does not mean they were ever saved.


again if you read the contextual verses which followed that. You would see that some will be NEAR to being curst, yet still saved. Just like in corinthians, where there will be alot of naked people in front of God because all their reward were burnt in fire, yet they themselves will be saved, as though coming out of the fire.
 
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And you have yet, with other than opinion given explanation why the scripture I quoted of Peter warning us that the devil wishes to devour us? (now he can't devour something he already devoured can he)

Let me guess, you think Peter is telling us we were never really not devoured?
Actually I know her personally, and she knows more about the word of God and has a better understanding of the word than you and your top three working for salvation buddies put together.....!
 
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And you have yet, with other than opinion given explanation why the scripture I quoted of Peter warning us that the devil wishes to devour us? (now he can't devour something he already devoured can he)

Let me guess, you think Peter is telling us we were never really not devoured?
this makes no sense at all
 

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talk about opinion, even Ephesians which you quoted speaks of 'sealed unto the day of redemption'.
Ephesians 4:30 (NKJV) And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Now why the warning "do not grieve the Holy Spirit" if you cannot because you are sealed? could it be you fail to understand what "sealed" means? I think so.
 
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I can't see what he posted. But since I can see in your quote.

He just proved how he can not read. Sealed UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION.

It does not say sealed until we fail, or mess up, or no longer earn it. It means sealed until that day when we are standing in front of Christ, Our payment is sealed in full, It is the HS who seals us, I guess he thinks he is more powerful that God and can break the seal of God. Some people.
Amen and you would be right and correct in your assessment!
 
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Ephesians 4:30 (NKJV) And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Now why the warning "do not grieve the Holy Spirit" if you cannot because you are sealed? could it be you fail to understand what "sealed" means? I think so.
It is you who do not understand what grieve means.

I pray you do not kick your kids out of your family if they grieve you because of something they did. If the world did this, all kids would be homeless.

do you even think before you interpret a passage, or just look at it from your legalistic blinders?
 

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do you have a plastic wrap with that seal?.....what is your mark of identification that separates you from the rest of the world...???
Christ in me the hope (certainty) of glory!
 

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Should we expect anything less from those who are blind to the truth?
this makes no sense at all
Of course it makes no sense, not without your man made doctrine to fill the holes in your theology,

Peter warns to beware of the devil :

1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Why? you say to be lost again is to never have been saved to begin with, that is the same as trying to make Peter here say the devil wishes to devour you but he already did so ignore what I just said...

Your OSAS is full of holes, bogus false doctrine. real scripture does not make sense to you, you have to have your man made doctrine to piece it all together.
 
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imagine if your parents kicked you out of their family every time you grieved them with your behavior. All kids would be homeless..

Do these people think?
Well it seems like the answer would ne a resounding no....they look for scriptures to hang on their heretical dogma with out actually studying the words and verses that are tied to the scriptures that they use out of context.....!
 
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Christ in me the hope (certainty) of glory!

the seal was a seal of a king. He placed a seal on the letter of proclamation they were sending to another king or whoever, The seal (unbroken) proved the the words in the letter was a proclamation of the king.

This is what the seal is. not a seal as in preventing you from getting out, why can they not see this? The seal is the HS guaranteeing our salvation. when we are delivered to the father.
 

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and just because you say that...it does not mean it's not gonna happen to some....
You have yet to show what you claim. You might be confusing one where the seed is sown but never germinates.

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
 

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It is you who do not understand what grieve means.

I pray you do not kick your kids out of your family if they grieve you because of something they did. If the world did this, all kids would be homeless.

do you even think before you interpret a passage, or just look at it from your legalistic blinders?
If my kids grieve me, then they are not welcome in my house, my door is always open to my kids like Gods is open to me, but I do have a choice to leave, but I cannot leave something where I never was, your theology is full of holes that must be filled with man made doctrine and not that of Christ.
 
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Of course it makes no sense, not without your man made doctrine to fill the holes in your theology,

Peter warns to beware of the devil :

1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Why? you say to be lost again is to never have been saved to begin with, that is the same as trying to make Peter here say the devil wishes to devour you but he already did so ignore what I just said...

Your OSAS is full of holes, bogus false doctrine. real scripture does not make sense to you, you have to have your man made doctrine to piece it all together.
Yeah keep on believing that and you will be a fish without water in an extremely hot place one day soon.......OSAS is a proven theology as opposed to the heretical dogma you profess with scripture out of context, while ignoring words in context....I suggest that you actually trust Jesus and come to the knowledge of the truth before it is too late.
 
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Of course it makes no sense, not without your man made doctrine to fill the holes in your theology,

Peter warns to beware of the devil :

1 Peter 5:8 (NKJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Why? you say to be lost again is to never have been saved to begin with, that is the same as trying to make Peter here say the devil wishes to devour you but he already did so ignore what I just said...

Your OSAS is full of holes, bogus false doctrine. real scripture does not make sense to you, you have to have your man made doctrine to piece it all together.
yeah, your right, the devil has more power than God and can break his seal. (rolls eyes)

so how rediculous your claim means? it says the devil has more power than God.

yes, he can devour me, make me weak. make me unable to go out and work for god.

he can never break the seal of God and remove my birthright though. God is my father, he protects me from that, it is his promise that would be broken.

again.. do you ever think?