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Now your are lying as you are the one who brought up your kids.....so did you just loose your salvation ???????
Originally Posted by Jabberjaw
If my kids grieve me, then they are not welcome in my house, my door is always open to my kids like Gods is open to me, but I do have a choice to leave, but I cannot leave something where I never was, your theology is full of holes that must be filled with man made doctrine and not that of Christ.
Answer the questions Mr. Deceiver ...YOU cant as it will shoot down your earlier lie!
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Still WAITING on you to answer!
Just stating facts as you are the one who by your remarks about your kids opened the door to your own fallacy and moot argument....so answer.....
1. Did you chunk your kids out the door when they were little and did something that upset you?
2. Did they cease from being your kids?
See you cant answer, because...
1. It would prove you were misleading and or lying concerning the statement about your kids
2. It would prove that your theology is heretical as once a child is born they will ALWAYS be a CHILD BY BIRTH
Originally Posted by Jabberjaw
Answer the questions Mr. Deceiver ...YOU cant as it will shoot down your earlier lie!
Still WAITING on you to answer!
Just stating facts as you are the one who by your remarks about your kids opened the door to your own fallacy and moot argument....so answer.....
1. Did you chunk your kids out the door when they were little and did something that upset you?
2. Did they cease from being your kids?
See you cant answer, because...
1. It would prove you were misleading and or lying concerning the statement about your kids
2. It would prove that your theology is heretical as once a child is born they will ALWAYS be a CHILD BY BIRTH
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No, because it is you, read this post #91, it was you and e-g that brought up "kids"
So now that you're lying does that mean you still get a clean ticket? no need for repentance? nothing that you can do to lose your salvation?
So now that you're lying does that mean you still get a clean ticket? no need for repentance? nothing that you can do to lose your salvation?
C
Romans 1 needs to be read carefully [I've seen it happen to those that I knew for multiple decades.]
Also: Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Also: Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Acts 8:12-24 (NKJV)
12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. 13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, "Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit." 20 But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity." 24 Then Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me."
12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized. 13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15 who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, "Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit." 20 But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21 You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity." 24 Then Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me."
C
One cannot be IN The Book of Life UNLESS they've been grafted into the natural Olive Tree of Romans 11 ...
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city,
and from the things which are written in this book.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
E
yep. THROUGH IT
John 3: 16, John 6. etc etc
The word lives forever it promises eternal life for those who have faith in him.
since the word is incoruptable, lasting forever. and says life is eternal (forever) to all who believe and trust in the gospel.
then our life with God is forever. It can not fade away or be taken away.
John 3: 16, John 6. etc etc
The word lives forever it promises eternal life for those who have faith in him.
since the word is incoruptable, lasting forever. and says life is eternal (forever) to all who believe and trust in the gospel.
then our life with God is forever. It can not fade away or be taken away.
C
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Faith + works = obedience to God - which is required from cover to cover -
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Faith + works = obedience to God - which is required from cover to cover -
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
Heb 11:12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son
C
How on earth does Paul speak to individuals but not to individuals?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office
He wrote this letter to the individuals as you can clearly see by the first and last chpt of his Letter to those in Rome [1:7].
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office
He wrote this letter to the individuals as you can clearly see by the first and last chpt of his Letter to those in Rome [1:7].
E
he wrote the letter to a church, not a person.
and read what you posted.. "gentiles" a group of people who are not jewish.
the context of the whole chapter is that God has opened the gospel to the gentile people. and to do it he had to blind in part the Israel people. But gentiles are not the natural branch, God can take it away from us just like ht eid the natural branch (israel0
and read what you posted.. "gentiles" a group of people who are not jewish.
the context of the whole chapter is that God has opened the gospel to the gentile people. and to do it he had to blind in part the Israel people. But gentiles are not the natural branch, God can take it away from us just like ht eid the natural branch (israel0
E
grace is unmerited favor. or Mercy.
Works cancels out grace. they can not be intertwined, it is one or the other. it can not be both.
Faith is an assurance, a trust, a belief that goes beyond mere belief.
If you just have mere belief, your faith is dead. And it will be proven by the fact you do not work.
You will not do anything for someone or something you just believ in, But someone you trust in, you will do all kinds of work.
A dead faith is no faith at all. it is dead. lifeless, eaningless
A true faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains, imagine what a great faith can do.
Works cancels out grace. they can not be intertwined, it is one or the other. it can not be both.
Faith is an assurance, a trust, a belief that goes beyond mere belief.
If you just have mere belief, your faith is dead. And it will be proven by the fact you do not work.
You will not do anything for someone or something you just believ in, But someone you trust in, you will do all kinds of work.
A dead faith is no faith at all. it is dead. lifeless, eaningless
A true faith as small as a mustard seed can move mountains, imagine what a great faith can do.
E
Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
E
if you "gentles" continue in goodness, if not, Like Isreal was when Christ left, you too will be cut off as they were.
remember, Many children of Isreal were saved, they were only blinded in part.
He is warning the gentile church not to be to proud and think they are all that, God can cut them off just as easily as he did Israel, and in fact, he said he will, and one day, Israel will be restored.
that is the context of romans 11
remember, Many children of Isreal were saved, they were only blinded in part.
He is warning the gentile church not to be to proud and think they are all that, God can cut them off just as easily as he did Israel, and in fact, he said he will, and one day, Israel will be restored.
that is the context of romans 11