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I plainly remember my grandmother saying to me when I came home from Japan one time with a date. She said to me boldly that girl is too black. Don't bring home nothing that black again. I was floored but it was her rearing that made her that way. I never was attracted to darker skinned girls but always knew race was an issue even then. We can not run from race but must not let it run us either. This has been productive for me in this thread, Thanks all
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You should be christian first, that's who you are, black is just a color, it's not who you are. Your putting your color first, God tells us to treat everyone as we want to be treated. Your soul has no color, we all bleed red as well. You shouldn't fear cops, fear God. We have to know that He is always in control, or do you have faith that God is always in control ?
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Because of the higher per capita rate of criminal behavior amongst young black males, which increased the violent crime rate in Ferguson MO as the area became more African-American right up thru 2011, and the consequential response by law enforcement to attempt to reduce the increase in criminal behavior (which they are under political pressure to do); that may have been a factor in Brown's psychological profile. Or not.
You're not clairvoyant. Neither have you shown the Ferguson police department to be brutal. Let me put it this way, there are multiple reports that Martians exist and some people believe that they do. Their false believe in Martians has even affected their behavior on occasion.
What we do know is that Brown had chosen to become increasingly criminally aggressive and liked to rap about it, "My favorite part’s when they bodies hit the ground. I soak ‘em up like I’m wringin’ out a sponge.”
You're not clairvoyant. Neither have you shown the Ferguson police department to be brutal. Let me put it this way, there are multiple reports that Martians exist and some people believe that they do. Their false believe in Martians has even affected their behavior on occasion.
What we do know is that Brown had chosen to become increasingly criminally aggressive and liked to rap about it, "My favorite part’s when they bodies hit the ground. I soak ‘em up like I’m wringin’ out a sponge.”
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All that stuff to me is fluff. I know I am a blackman first. That is who I see in the mirror. I am a Christian man the two are not interchangeable unless I am no longer a Christian then I will only be a blackman. That will never happen so I'll go with what I see in the mirror realizing God sees me different but man may not.So I get that premise.
So I'm actually A black Christian man either way I'm still black. God tells us several things and treating people one way is just one of the things he tells us. I'm well versed in several things he says. Thanks for the response but for me its a bit more real when you add in black Christian and minister I will add brother uncle dad grandfather cousin husband nephew brother and all of that is still in this black body. Oh and God is only in control if we let him be that is for me you or anyone! And then it depends on what God you speak of
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So I'm actually A black Christian man either way I'm still black. God tells us several things and treating people one way is just one of the things he tells us. I'm well versed in several things he says. Thanks for the response but for me its a bit more real when you add in black Christian and minister I will add brother uncle dad grandfather cousin husband nephew brother and all of that is still in this black body. Oh and God is only in control if we let him be that is for me you or anyone! And then it depends on what God you speak of
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No I am not clairvoyant, which is why I said could have been.
And no I haven't posted any evidence showing the brutality of the Ferguson police force. The reason being is because anybody who has actually paid attention to the reports given on multiple news sources, media outlets, and interviews would have seen these misuse of force reports that has been talked about.
You for one, I am surprised you have not posted any of these reports since you like posting reports and statistics.
But then again I have always seen you in posts only be one sided, or biased in the things you post.
I know there are good cops out there, but I know just as well as everybody else that there are a lot of cops who let the power they are given go to their heads and misuse that power. Just because they maybe a cop in an area with a higher crime rate does not excuse them from misusing the force they have been entitled to.
I have been around and talked to many who are, or have been apart of the system rather cops or criminals. Both have told me the corruption, and misuse of power that happens in the system.
In Kansas for instance 6 judges were disbarred and fired just three years ago for running a monopoly in their system. Working with cops, attorneys, and jury set ups to run certain people through the system and letting others go on technicalities. Making money through the system, and fabricating evidence to win certain cases.
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If young white males were engaging in the level of criminality that young black males presently are in the U.S.; my opinion would be exactly the same.
The problem is primarily explained in the socio-religious literature with socio-economics playing a contributing role. Science asserts that genetic differences between races in the human genome are minor and certainly not the cause of the inordinate level of black criminality that we observe today (an important point as it didn't exist mere decades ago).
Let's talk about the level of black victimization by black perpetuators. Let's compare the statistics of black on black homicide with those relating to blacks killed by police officers (and how they relate as Rudolph Giuliani tried to explain recently) which clearly reveal that blacks are murdering blacks exponentially beyond police officers killing black criminals in the line of duty... a discussion neither the liberal media nor black leaders want to have anything to do with.
As for our personal experiences, we all have them. What makes you think I don't? I too have had guns drawn on me for looking like the perpetrator of a crime more than once and I'm white (I've also had bullets whizzing by my head but that had to do with Hispanic Surenos attempting to murder me). Last time it happened was two years ago and they were looking for a middle aged male named Juan... lol. I had to sit on the curb with a ghetto chopper circling overhead putting the spotlight on me while three police officers sorted it all out.
If I had been stupid enough to try and punch one of them in the face and disarm him while stating "You're too much of a pu**y to shoot me" or acted as if I had a weapon and was going to use it: I wouldn't be here. Nor would I deserve to be.
You weren't the criminal perpetrator they were seeking and didn't assault or threaten the police. Neither was nor did I. So we went on our merry way. This isn't rocket science: don't assault or threaten to assault police officers while they have detained you for the purpose of conducting a lawful investigation. Of course, you do have rights and should learn what they are and use them to the best of your advantage in any encounter with law enforcement. Punching a police officer in the face isn't one of them.
The problem is primarily explained in the socio-religious literature with socio-economics playing a contributing role. Science asserts that genetic differences between races in the human genome are minor and certainly not the cause of the inordinate level of black criminality that we observe today (an important point as it didn't exist mere decades ago).
Let's talk about the level of black victimization by black perpetuators. Let's compare the statistics of black on black homicide with those relating to blacks killed by police officers (and how they relate as Rudolph Giuliani tried to explain recently) which clearly reveal that blacks are murdering blacks exponentially beyond police officers killing black criminals in the line of duty... a discussion neither the liberal media nor black leaders want to have anything to do with.
As for our personal experiences, we all have them. What makes you think I don't? I too have had guns drawn on me for looking like the perpetrator of a crime more than once and I'm white (I've also had bullets whizzing by my head but that had to do with Hispanic Surenos attempting to murder me). Last time it happened was two years ago and they were looking for a middle aged male named Juan... lol. I had to sit on the curb with a ghetto chopper circling overhead putting the spotlight on me while three police officers sorted it all out.
If I had been stupid enough to try and punch one of them in the face and disarm him while stating "You're too much of a pu**y to shoot me" or acted as if I had a weapon and was going to use it: I wouldn't be here. Nor would I deserve to be.
You weren't the criminal perpetrator they were seeking and didn't assault or threaten the police. Neither was nor did I. So we went on our merry way. This isn't rocket science: don't assault or threaten to assault police officers while they have detained you for the purpose of conducting a lawful investigation. Of course, you do have rights and should learn what they are and use them to the best of your advantage in any encounter with law enforcement. Punching a police officer in the face isn't one of them.
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BUT you still keep missing the point. Your experiences as a white man gives you a benefit I don't get. Did you get that. The statistics you keep referring too means diddly squat to me on any level. I know the numbers stop spoon feeding me information you think I don't have or know, that doesn't change a thing for me. Tomorrow I'll still be prone to be shot merely for my skin that is not the day to day case for you or any other white law abiding citizen! Like I said your points are taken with a grain of salt and what is spot on is on what is in another zip code is just in another zip code. I agree to disagree with most of what you say and that's ok.
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Now you're just making a false assertion and engaging in ad hominem... the latter we've managed to avoid so far in this discussion.
I don't see things as "one-sided." You can have two wrong sides and no right sides. In such an event, which side is the right side?
I see things clearly which means I see the wrong and right side of things. The reason why I can assert this, and it be true, is because unlike yourself: I see things from the perspective of the empirical literature.
I don't base my statements on my feelings, heresy, personal experiences, etc...
Michael Brown was not killed by a police officer in the line of duty because six Kansas judges had to be replaced. He was killed because he punched a police officer in the face and attempted to disarm him after committing a strong arm robbery after not being raised to be a moral godly man.
Obviously, a holistic solution involves addressing a wide range of issues with judicial/law enforcement reform among them (a point I've already made in this thread).
If you want to talk about myopic one-sidedness, look at your own argument. No offense, it's just the truth.
I don't see things as "one-sided." You can have two wrong sides and no right sides. In such an event, which side is the right side?
I see things clearly which means I see the wrong and right side of things. The reason why I can assert this, and it be true, is because unlike yourself: I see things from the perspective of the empirical literature.
I don't base my statements on my feelings, heresy, personal experiences, etc...
Michael Brown was not killed by a police officer in the line of duty because six Kansas judges had to be replaced. He was killed because he punched a police officer in the face and attempted to disarm him after committing a strong arm robbery after not being raised to be a moral godly man.
Obviously, a holistic solution involves addressing a wide range of issues with judicial/law enforcement reform among them (a point I've already made in this thread).
If you want to talk about myopic one-sidedness, look at your own argument. No offense, it's just the truth.
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to aheofknowledge Now you on the other hand are inferring and alluding to your perception I merely pointed out we see things differently that is a fact. I see them as a blackman fact you as a white man fact your statements are based on your belief perceptions knowledge several factors again fact and that is all good. We do not have to agree fact so I'm not offended I have no problems discussion any topic at any level with or without a dissertation.
I choose to however stay focused and not muddy the muddy water. You do see things one sided as do we all we see our side then we see the other side how else can we form any opinion to bolster our view. I do not have to agree with you or your though process or perceptions nor you mine. I have agreed with some of what you say the rest I throw out along with all the stats you post.
As they are not relevant to MY day to day walk as blackman. you propose to know my intent for my thoughts and my position then tell me how I feel each day knowing my sons maybe killed simply for being young and black not for being involved in any criminal activity. I am not naive nor am I unrealistic it is what it is until it changes. And if we don't change it it wont change unless God changes it!!!!
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I choose to however stay focused and not muddy the muddy water. You do see things one sided as do we all we see our side then we see the other side how else can we form any opinion to bolster our view. I do not have to agree with you or your though process or perceptions nor you mine. I have agreed with some of what you say the rest I throw out along with all the stats you post.
As they are not relevant to MY day to day walk as blackman. you propose to know my intent for my thoughts and my position then tell me how I feel each day knowing my sons maybe killed simply for being young and black not for being involved in any criminal activity. I am not naive nor am I unrealistic it is what it is until it changes. And if we don't change it it wont change unless God changes it!!!!
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Now you're being silly. Quantifiable empirical data is not "diddly squat," despite many hypothesis or theories people have forwarded for consideration being falsified in history. If you find yourself at diametrical odds with it, then I suggest you reevaluate your position.
Given its importance to any discussion, I will not stop referring to it. You may, of course, choose to ignore the quantifiable empirical data in my posts but that doesn't invalidate it in the slightest.
I spent part of my youth in poor urban neighborhoods and experienced exactly the same situations and treatment by police, government organs that my black, brown, and white skinned associates did. The reason why I'm still both present and free is because I CHOSE to change and redirect my behavior into that of a moral and godly person. But then, I choose not to carry a "victim mentality" either.
Given its importance to any discussion, I will not stop referring to it. You may, of course, choose to ignore the quantifiable empirical data in my posts but that doesn't invalidate it in the slightest.
I spent part of my youth in poor urban neighborhoods and experienced exactly the same situations and treatment by police, government organs that my black, brown, and white skinned associates did. The reason why I'm still both present and free is because I CHOSE to change and redirect my behavior into that of a moral and godly person. But then, I choose not to carry a "victim mentality" either.
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Now you're stooping to name calling come on now I just don't see things like you I cant that's simple but I will not be called silly for it check yourself I don't mind a good fight either! What I said was you don't have to imply I don't have access to the same numbers and that means diddly squat like I said based on MY position not yours. I'm the one and my sons who suffer each day.And for the record I am not a victim today nor are my sons but they may be!!!!!!!
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How can salvation be more real because of your skin color or your gender or any other physical attribute? Brainfreeze is discussing a the NEW creation you are in Christ, how can you call that fluff?
I understand you relate more to people who are black, that they understand the unique cross that comes with that from this world, I feel the same way with women. But it is a sin on your part to not recognize people of other races are in the same sin filled boat as you, all of us are sinners, we all make snap judgements based on appearance. We judge rich, poor, black, white, male, female until we allow the Holy Spirit to heal the hurts inside of us and begin to see others as one of two things, saved and unsaved. Either a person is a child of God or lost in desperate need of Jesus, there is nothing more real than that.
How can salvation be more real because of your skin color or your gender or any other physical attribute? Brainfreeze is discussing a the NEW creation you are in Christ, how can you call that fluff?
I understand you relate more to people who are black, that they understand the unique cross that comes with that from this world, I feel the same way with women. But it is a sin on your part to not recognize people of other races are in the same sin filled boat as you, all of us are sinners, we all make snap judgements based on appearance. We judge rich, poor, black, white, male, female until we allow the Holy Spirit to heal the hurts inside of us and begin to see others as one of two things, saved and unsaved. Either a person is a child of God or lost in desperate need of Jesus, there is nothing more real than that.
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Don't know you not familiar with any of your post but never tell me I am a sinner. I was and I am saved from a life of sin. I may have a nature formed to sin but I do not practice sin as a ritual of daily living. I always let people speak for themselves you don't have any idea what brainfreeze meant as you did not post the words. So my suggestion is let btainfreeze handle the words that are posted when posted.
You may read into the meaning but the dialogue was between us. Never tell me what is sin on my part you know nothing about me. That puts you in the seat of judgment and I have not went there nor will I be manipulated into that position. I am sensitive to other races read the post all of them before chiding in. Now I am not easily annoyed but you did get my attention telling me I'm in some sort of sin and you're free from it? Kinda condescending in tone.
I am a mixture of races but I am not other so all that I'm left with is what I look mostly like and that is black. I am as real as it gets when I'm on my fathers business if you wish to dialogue with me do so in a manner befitting the tone of the thread.
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You may read into the meaning but the dialogue was between us. Never tell me what is sin on my part you know nothing about me. That puts you in the seat of judgment and I have not went there nor will I be manipulated into that position. I am sensitive to other races read the post all of them before chiding in. Now I am not easily annoyed but you did get my attention telling me I'm in some sort of sin and you're free from it? Kinda condescending in tone.
I am a mixture of races but I am not other so all that I'm left with is what I look mostly like and that is black. I am as real as it gets when I'm on my fathers business if you wish to dialogue with me do so in a manner befitting the tone of the thread.
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If you are a true Christian then you are a member of one race, the human race. You are what God say you are and not how man define you.
One of many reasons why the Black community is unable to form any alliance of unity against racism, is because it allow the status quo to define them as to what they are. Sadly, too many Blacks take into account as to who they are by allowing the status quo to define them on a personal level.
One of many reasons why the Black community is unable to form any alliance of unity against racism, is because it allow the status quo to define them as to what they are. Sadly, too many Blacks take into account as to who they are by allowing the status quo to define them on a personal level.
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