Generational curses.

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Except for responses to post by many help me see the relevance of the last few post on generational curses? I'm lost at some of the post that have no bearing on generational curses that I can make heads or tails of. This is the problem folks start questioning stuff and stray away from the topic then we have a mess if people cant tie their comments in with the op it would help us who are trying to comment to remain intelligent in our comments. I don't want to veer into stuff not pertaining to the op
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This question is to anyone that has ever used the term "under the Law"

Would these people be considered "under the Law?"

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
 

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Except for responses to post by many help me see the relevance of the last few post on generational curses? I'm lost at some of the post that have no bearing on generational curses that I can make heads or tails of. This is the problem folks start questioning stuff and stray away from the topic then we have a mess if people cant tie their comments in with the op it would help us who are trying to comment to remain intelligent in our comments. I don't want to veer into stuff not pertaining to the op
pastac
OH! So that's what the topic of the OP was..........well, never mind.............. :)

(F.Y.I...........if by generational curse, one means I am guilty of the sins of my earthly father, then I do not agree....)
 

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Interesting Article on this (found here)

[h=3]Generational Curses - Great Bible Study[/h]

(excerpt)

[h=4]The price for generational curses has been paid![/h]The good news is that once you accept Jesus, the transference of bondage stops from your ancestors by means of generational curses. You can no longer receive spiritual bondages in this manner from your parents once you accept Jesus!
Christ was made a curse, so we can be freed from the curses that sin (both our sins and those of our forefathers) has brought us. Galatians 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"
Once you become a child of God, no longer will the sins of your forefathers cause curses to transfer into your life: Jeremiah 31:29-30, "In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge."
 

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Interesting Article on this (found here)

Generational Curses - Great Bible Study



(excerpt)

The price for generational curses has been paid!

The good news is that once you accept Jesus, the transference of bondage stops from your ancestors by means of generational curses. You can no longer receive spiritual bondages in this manner from your parents once you accept Jesus!
Christ was made a curse, so we can be freed from the curses that sin (both our sins and those of our forefathers) has brought us. Galatians 3:13, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:"
Once you become a child of God, no longer will the sins of your forefathers cause curses to transfer into your life: Jeremiah 31:29-30, "In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge."
People always want to downplay what Christ did for us on the cross. That's why things like generational curses and legalism are so popular.
 

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People always want to downplay what Christ did for us on the cross. That's why things like generational curses and legalism are so popular.
I think "legalisim" is so popular because the Messiah said things like this:

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
 
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I think "legalisim" is so popular because the Messiah said things like this:

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
The woman is Israel in the tribulation "week". Satan makes war with her, in particular going after those left there after the 144,000 are taken up by the Lord. Jews in Israel will have that brief window of time to be convinced after seeing that happen, receiving Jesus as the promised Messiah they rejected 2 millennia.

The greatest generational curse has been a 2,000 year old one. It is the Jews holding onto the abolished covenant, the Religion of the Circumcision, attempting to keep the eternal holy commandments of God to the exclusion of Christ. They forsook the commandments of the Messiah Jesus, and have insisted Christians embrace all their covenant, or be rejected by God. The curse will end when many in Israel who are at least faithful to the abolished covenant will by it be able to recognize Jesus through the law and the prophets for who He always was and is.

As was in Jesus' time, throughout history since, and into the tribulation, many people identifying as Jews have not been faithful to God, some holding perhaps a minimal shadow of religion, lacking the power of God. Those will likely be among the lost Gentiles, all left behind to face a horrible judgment together. The age of the Gentiles ends much earlier in Revelation. A remnant of the Jews that are "inwardly Jews" will be saved out of the tribulation besides the 144,000 virgin Jews.


Romans 2:25-29 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[SUP]27 [/SUP] And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

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The woman is Israel in the tribulation "week". Satan makes war with her, in particular going after those left there after the 144,000 are taken up by the Lord. Jews in Israel will have that brief window of time to be convinced after seeing that happen, receiving Jesus as the promised Messiah they rejected 2 millennia.
Yes the woman is Israyl:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

and how can these be explained away?

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

"Laws" is word #1785 entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
 

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Generational curses
There Is No Such Thing!

Anybody who teaches such is talking nonsense.

Ezek chaper 18 (all), especially 18v4,19,20, with Deut 24v16, Gen 6v12, Isaiah 53v6, Matt 19v14

When an individual transgresses the law and so comes under the curse of the law (Deut 28v15-68), this is for their OWN sin, NOT for that of another person (either Adam or anybody else) and the cure for their own sin is The Cross! Gal 3v13

Yahweh Shalom
 
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Well, dunno, don't we CHOOSE to be under the Law of Truth? Or, actually, I choose to be under the Law of Faith as stated by the Apostle Paul...........so that really isn't forced on us............just commenting here.......
Paul was talking to people that didn't know how to swallow solid foods, and so he had to talk baby talk to them so that they can relate to what he was saying. They need laws to guide them.

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Paul was talking to people that didn't know how to swallow solid foods, and so he had to talk baby talk to them so that they can relate to what he was saying. They need laws to guide them.
Hebrews 6:1-2, "Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment."
 
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Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Jesus' words I've marked in red. The angel showing John those things spoke the balance of that passage. It's easy to inject error when not marking the verses in some way to identify who speaks what. The way you presented that would have Jesus speaking instead of the angel. The angel directly referenced keeping the commandments of Jesus Christ, not the old law. Paul made that very clear over and over that the old law ministers death. But I realize Judaizers, they of the religion of the Circumcision, disagree with Paul and all others concerning Christ, accepting only words Jesus spoke in favor of the old covenant. That keeps them under the curses of the Law, because God gave Jesus all Jesus was to say and do, giving commandments in a far greater capacity than Moses did. Jesus is the everlasting Son of God with that authority to command, the one that sent the angels that ministered the Law to Moses, for the Jew only. Take heart ye Jews. The old came with curses, but also blessings according to the keeping of it. In Christ all the blessings are yea for me, for I am in Christ.

Just like the Abrahamic Covenant is eternal, never ending, so is the Mosaic Covenant eternal. Two eternal covenants run parallel to the Mosaic, the Abrahamic and the New Covenant of Christ. The Mosaic is abolished throughout the time of the Gentiles, certainly not fitting for Gentile Christians. Jews that convert to Christ are exempted from the Mosaic because that of Jesus is superior, able to save, ministering life. None of God's word will ever vanish, but covenants come and go in terms of fulfillment. Each has it's own ministry, none mixed. The Abrahamic supplies the promise of God for people of faith, not law. The law came 430 years after Abraham. The New Covenant is superior if only for the fact it is ratified in the blood of Christ Jesus, while the other two were ratified in the blood of animals.

Luke 5:36-39 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] And he spake also a parable unto them;
No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
[SUP]37 [/SUP] And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
[SUP]38 [/SUP] But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.


That was in response to complaints that Jesus' disciples didn't follow old religious patterns of the Pharisees and John's disciples. It applies directly to the old covenant not mixing with the new., that change was coming.
 
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Hebrews 6:1-2, "Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment."
Remember, when they'd showed repentance, they dress themselves in sackcloth that is made from camel hair and rolled in the dirt saying," boo hoo I'm not worthy", and resisted from eating fine foods; but that is not the correct way to show repentance. And when they'd worship God, they drop to their knees and praise Him by saying that they love His sandals and his brightly color cloak, that isn't call worshiping, but flattering. You maybe honoring Him with your lips, but your heart is far from Him. They need somebody to show them the correct way to worship like how everyone had worshiped Kim Kardashian's bottom, and now that is true worshiping, because they were praising her bottom all last week on every channel.


 

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Jesus' words I've marked in red.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I literally burst out laughing...your too much. I cant even take you serious anymore


So Who cuts in at "Blessed are those" ?

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
 
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There Is No Such Thing!

Anybody who teaches such is talking nonsense.

Ezek chaper 18 (all), especially 18v4,19,20, with Deut 24v16, Gen 6v12, Isaiah 53v6, Matt 19v14

When an individual transgresses the law and so comes under the curse of the law (Deut 28v15-68), this is for their OWN sin, NOT for that of another person (either Adam or anybody else) and the cure for their own sin is The Cross! Gal 3v13

Yahweh Shalom
There are many scriptures describing the curses that God put upon the whole nation Israel for national rejection of Him, and upon tribes of Israel, and households, and individuals, both Jew and Gentile. Sometimes a curse was for a few years, others lasting generations. When Jesus reigns from Jerusalem, all curses will end.

As for Adam and us we have Romans 5:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.


God loves mercy. Even among them that hate Him He can show mercy from a curse started by some father forsaking God for idols four generations back. Outside of the grace of God through faith in Christ there is no mercy past such limits based entirely on mercy. So it is that all the generations of Adam until now suffer curses of rebellion, subject to relief from Jesus. The only way out of the generational curse of death is to break free by the power of God in Christ, to be counted among the family of God in Christ.
 

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Remember, when they'd showed repentance, they dress themselves in sackcloth that is made from camel hair and rolled in the dirt saying," boo hoo I'm not worthy", and resisted from eating fine foods; but that is not the correct way to show repentance. And when they'd worship God, they drop to their knees and praise Him by saying that they love His sandals and his brightly color cloak, that isn't call worshiping, but flattering. You maybe honoring Him with your lips, but your heart is far from Him. They need somebody to show them the correct way to worship like how everyone had worshiped Kim Kardashian's bottom, and now that is true worshiping, because they were praising her bottom all last week on every channel.
Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
 
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I literally burst out laughing...your too much. I cant even take you serious anymore


So Who cuts in at "Blessed are those" ?

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
You have only to "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." [SUP][/SUP]
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) 15

If you had, you would know the angel resumed the discussion with John with "Blessed".
 
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Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
He is basically saying in a way that it isn't a command, but to do it free-willingly. Let just say your spouse, you had commanded your spouse to love you with a fist in your spouses' face, and so if they do what you had order them to do, does that mean they really love you? Only way if they love you, it has to come from their heart, not from your fist.
 

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He is basically saying in a way that it isn't a command, but to do it free-willingly. Let just say your spouse, you had commanded your spouse to love you with a fist in your spouses' face, and so if they do what you had order them to do, does that mean they really love you? Only way if they love you, it has to come from their heart, not from your fist.
but do they actually do that "command" or do they say "I love" and not do it?
 

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I literally burst out laughing...your too much. I cant even take you serious anymore


So Who cuts in at "Blessed are those" ?

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
You have only to "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) 15

If you had, you would know the angel resumed the discussion with John with "Blessed".
Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 5:17-20, " Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected. Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh. For I say to you: Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will certainly not enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Romans 2:12, "For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law."

Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Mattithyah 15:3, “But Yahshua answered, and said to them: and why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?”

Revelation 20:12-13, “And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahweh. And the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and Sheol delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works.”

Revelation 22:12, “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be.”

1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."