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[h=3]Philippians 2:12 ESV / 16 helpful votes[/h]Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
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[h=3]Isaiah 48:18-19 ESV / 16 helpful votes[/h]Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea; your offspring would have been like the sand, and your descendants like its grains; their name would never be cut off or destroyed from before me.”
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[h=3]1 John 2:17 ESV / 15 helpful votes[/h]And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
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[h=3]Revelation 22:7 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
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[h=3]Ephesians 5:11 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
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[h=3]John 14:21 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”
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[h=3]John 5:30 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
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[h=3]Luke 1:6 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
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[h=3]Ecclesiastes 12:13 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
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[h=3]2 Chronicles 31:20 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]Thus Hezekiah did throughout all Judah, and he did what was good and right and faithful before the Lord his God.
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[h=3]Joshua 22:2 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]And said to them, “You have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you and have obeyed my voice in all that I have commanded you.
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[h=3]Leviticus 26:3-13 ESV / 14 helpful votes[/h]“If you walk in my statutes and observe my commandments and do them, then I will give you your rains in their season, and the land shall yield its increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. Your threshing shall last to the time of the grape harvest, and the grape harvest shall last to the time for sowing. And you shall eat your bread to the full and dwell in your land securely. I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid. And I will remove harmful beasts from the land, and the sword shall not go through your land. You shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
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[h=3]Hebrews 11:7 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
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[h=3]Acts 24:16 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.
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[h=3]Acts 23:1 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]And looking intently at the council, Paul said, “Brothers, I have lived my life before God in all good conscience up to this day.”
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[h=3]Acts 2:38 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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[h=3]John 15:10 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
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[h=3]Matthew 7:21 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
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[h=3]Psalm 119:48 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]I will lift up my hands toward your commandments, which I love, and I will meditate on your statutes.
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[h=3]2 Chronicles 24:16 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]And they buried him in the city of David among the kings, because he had done good in Israel, and toward God and his house.
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[h=3]Genesis 6:9 ESV / 13 helpful votes[/h]These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.
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[h=3]2 John 1:6-9 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
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[h=3]Hebrews 10:7 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
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The book of remembrance is the same as the book of life.
Those who are faithful and obedient to the Lord are written in this book, and when it comes to judgment there obedience will be remember and given salvation.

So then your salvation is tied to what you can do as opposed to what Christ has done? He is the one who done the work, the heavy lifting and all we have to do is believe it and it brings everlasting life....IT IS A GIFT KENNETH and you can not WORK FOR A GIFT regardless what you and or Sea Perch thinks!

 

[kennethcadwell]

[h=3]Hebrews 3:2 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]Who was faithful to him who appointed him, just as Moses also was faithful in all God's house.
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[h=3]Romans 6:17 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed,
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[h=3]Romans 6:16 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
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[h=3]John 14:23 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
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[h=3]Luke 11:28 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
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[h=3]Luke 6:46-48 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.
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[h=3]Mark 4:20 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]But those that were sown on the good soil are the ones who hear the word and accept it and bear fruit, thirtyfold and sixtyfold and a hundredfold.”
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[h=3]Mark 2:14 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax booth, and he said to him, “Follow me.” And he rose and followed him.
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[h=3]Matthew 19:17 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”
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[h=3]Proverbs 19:16 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]Whoever keeps the commandment keeps his life; he who despises his ways will die.
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[h=3]Psalm 111:10 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!
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[h=3]1 John 3:22 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
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[h=3]Hebrews 11:8-17 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.
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[h=3]1 Timothy 6:14 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]To keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
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[h=3]John 15:14 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]You are my friends if you do what I command you.
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[h=3]John 8:32 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
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[h=3]Luke 8:15 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.
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[h=3]Psalm 119:129 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]Your testimonies are wonderful; therefore my soul keeps them.
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[h=3]Psalm 119:47 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]For I find my delight in your commandments, which I love.
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[h=3]Psalm 119:2 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]Blessed are those who keep his testimonies, who seek him with their whole heart,
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[h=3]Psalm 103:20 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, obeying the voice of his word!
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[h=3]Psalm 76:11 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]Make your vows to the Lord your God and perform them; let all around him bring gifts to him who is to be feared,
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[h=3]Joshua 24:14 ESV / 11 helpful votes[/h]“Now therefore fear the Lord and serve him in sincerity and in faithfulness. Put away the gods that your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.
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[h=3]Revelation 3:4 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]Yet you have still a few names in Sardis, people who have not soiled their garments, and they will walk with me in white, for they are worthy.
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[h=3]James 2:10-12 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.
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[h=3]Hebrews 13:16 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
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[h=3]1 Thessalonians 1:9 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]For they themselves report concerning us the kind of reception we had among you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God,
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[h=3]John 17:4 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do.
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[h=3]Mark 16:16 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
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[h=3]Mark 10:19 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’”
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[h=3]Matthew 25:20-23 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
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[h=3]Psalm 119:168 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]I keep your precepts and testimonies, for all my ways are before you.
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[h=3]Psalm 103:18 ESV / 10 helpful votes[/h]To those who keep his covenant and remember to do his commandments.
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[h=3]James 2:24 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
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[h=3]James 2:21 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
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[h=3]James 2:19 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
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[h=3]John 8:31-32 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
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[h=3]Luke 12:38 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]If he comes in the second watch, or in the third, and finds them awake, blessed are those servants!
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[h=3]Luke 11:2 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]And he said to them, “When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come.
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[h=3]Psalm 133:1-3 ESV / 9 helpful votes[/h]A Song of Ascents. Of David. Behold, how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity! It is like the precious oil on the head, running down on the beard, on the beard of Aaron, running down on the collar of his robes! It is like the dew of Hermon, which falls on the mountains of Zion! For there the Lord has commanded the blessing, life forevermore.
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[h=3]Psalm 119:105 ESV / 8 helpful votes[/h]Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
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[h=3]Matthew 26:39 ESV / 7 helpful votes[/h]And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
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Philippians 2:12 ESV / 16 helpful votes

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,
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Isaiah 48:18-19 ESV / 16 helpful votes

Oh that you had paid attention to my commandments! Then your peace would have been like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea; your offspring would have been like the sand, and your descendants like its grains; their name would never be cut off or destroyed from before me.”
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1 John 2:17 ESV / 15 helpful votes

And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
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Revelation 22:7 ESV / 14 helpful votes

“And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
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Ephesians 5:11 ESV / 14 helpful votes

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
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John 14:21 ESV / 14 helpful votes

Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”
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John 5:30 ESV / 14 helpful votes

“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
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Luke 1:6 ESV / 14 helpful votes

And they were both righteous before God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and statutes of the Lord.
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Ecclesiastes 12:13 ESV / 14 helpful votes

The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.
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2 Chronicles 31:20 ESV / 14 helpful votes

Thus Hezekiah did throughout all Judah, and he did what was good and right and faithful before the Lord his God.
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Joshua 22:2 ESV / 14 helpful votes

And said to them, “You have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you and have obeyed my voice in all that I have commanded you.
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Leviticus 26:3-13 ESV / 14 helpful votes

“If you walk in my statutes and observe my commandments and do them, then I will give you your rains in their season, and the land shall yield its increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. Your threshing shall last to the time of the grape harvest, and the grape harvest shall last to the time for sowing. And you shall eat your bread to the full and dwell in your land securely. I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid. And I will remove harmful beasts from the land, and the sword shall not go through your land. You shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
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Hebrews 11:7 ESV / 13 helpful votes

By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
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Acts 24:16 ESV / 13 helpful votes

So I always take pains to have a clear conscience toward both God and man.
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Acts 23:1 ESV / 13 helpful votes

And looking intently at the council, Paul said, “Brothers, I have lived my life before God in all good conscience up to this day.”
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Acts 2:38 ESV / 13 helpful votes

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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John 15:10 ESV / 13 helpful votes

If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
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Matthew 7:21 ESV / 13 helpful votes

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
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Psalm 119:48 ESV / 13 helpful votes

I will lift up my hands toward your commandments, which I love, and I will meditate on your statutes.
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And they buried him in the city of David among the kings, because he had done good in Israel, and toward God and his house.
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Genesis 6:9 ESV / 13 helpful votes

These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with God.
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And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
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Hebrews 10:7 ESV / 12 helpful votes

Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
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If of works then no longer GRACE....I will take grace over works as salvation is A GIFT which cannot be EARNED and or KEPT by any means!

 

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So then your salvation is tied to what you can do as opposed to what Christ has done? He is the one who done the work, the heavy lifting and all we have to do is believe it and it brings everlasting life....IT IS A GIFT KENNETH and you can not WORK FOR A GIFT regardless what you and or Sea Perch thinks!

It is a gift for those who are faithful and obedient to Him.
I just gave 100 scriptures from all over the bible showing how obedience is important in a believers walk. From the OT to the NT it clearly shows obedience being key. If obedience is not important then the bible would not have spent so many scriptures pointing to it.

 

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It is a gift for those who are faithful and obedient to Him.
I just gave 100 scriptures from all over the bible showing how obedience is important in a believers walk. From the OT to the NT it clearly shows obedience being key. If obedience is not important then the bible would not have spent so many scriptures pointing to it.

Kenneth here is where u miss the boat....NO ONE has said that we are not to be OBEDIENT to the word...the contention is, does OUR OBEDIENCE bring and to KEEP salvation...the answer is NO

FAITH into who Jesus is and what he has done BRINGS ETERNAL LIFE, SALVATION, JUSTIFICATION to the believer and is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS which is why it is eternal.

A saved child of GOD will walk according to the word of God and be faithful, sometimes they fail, sometimes they sin, sometimes the slip..doesn't change the fact of eternal life in JESUS!

 

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If of works then no longer GRACE....I will take grace over works as salvation is A GIFT which cannot be EARNED and or KEPT by any means!

You still don't understand the works that is talked about in this situation is works of the law.
Spiritual works that are works done out of love and obedience to the Lord is not works of the law. They are two different sets of works that is being talked about.

If you are trying to live by the mosaic law, and not live by love for the Lord which shows obedience, then no salvation is no longer by grace through faith. And your faith without works of love for the Lord is dead, has no foundation, and is set to failure.

 

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Kenneth here is where u miss the boat....NO ONE has said that we are not to be OBEDIENT to the word...the contention is, does OUR OBEDIENCE bring and to KEEP salvation...the answer is NO

FAITH into who Jesus is and what he has done BRINGS ETERNAL LIFE, SALVATION, JUSTIFICATION to the believer and is based upon the FAITH OF JESUS which is why it is eternal.

A saved child of GOD will walk according to the word of God and be faithful, sometimes they fail, sometimes they sin, sometimes the slip..doesn't change the fact of eternal life in JESUS!

So a person can be disobedient to the Lord the rest of their life and still be saved ???
The scriptures say no.

 

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Oh and for those who still want to cancel out obedience being a major part of a believers walk, here you go;

Not sure who this is directed to. You will not get a soul in this chatroom (that I know anyway) Who would disagree with you.

We are not talking about a believers walk however, we are talking about how one gets saved, recieves eternal life, Enters the kingdom of God.

 

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welp I see Kenneth went on a post scripture and take up half the thread thingy.

Ken, No one here disagrees with those scriptures. We all know them. We all believe in them. We all strive in doing them.

But again, That is not the topic of this thread.

If you would like to start a thread on how a child of God should act. then lets do that. But lets first decide how one becomes a child of God.

 

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It is a gift for those who are faithful and obedient to Him.
I just gave 100 scriptures from all over the bible showing how obedience is important in a believers walk. From the OT to the NT it clearly shows obedience being key. If obedience is not important then the bible would not have spent so many scriptures pointing to it.

No, It is a gift to those who have faith.

those who have faith ARE obedient to him.

If obedience is required, then it is not a gift at all.

 

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Not sure who this is directed to. You will not get a soul in this chatroom (that I know anyway) Who would disagree with you.

We are not talking about a believers walk however, we are talking about how one gets saved, recieves eternal life, Enters the kingdom of God.

Obedience is key to that though.
If you stay disobedient and not put your faith in the Lord, their is not salvation for you remain lost in sin.
Then if you stay disobedient and do not follow the command to repent of your sins then you still are not saved.
The list goes on when it comes to obedience, and if one says that it plays no role in salvation or being saved. Then they have been deceived, for one can not be disobedient to the Lord and be saved.

 

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You still don't understand the works that is talked about in this situation is works of the law.
Spiritual works that are works done out of love and obedience to the Lord is not works of the law. They are two different sets of works that is being talked about.

If you are trying to live by the mosaic law, and not live by love for the Lord which shows obedience, then no salvation is no longer by grace through faith. And your faith without works of love for the Lord is dead, has no foundation, and is set to failure.

Oh Is that so?

So When I do a work of the law. Say honor my parents, Say like get baptized as a priest unto God. Say like Love my neighbor, and give to the poor, and (I think you get the point) out of love and obedience to the lord. these are not works of the law?

If people would think, they might see how they sound and not make such brazen comments.

 

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So a person can be disobedient to the Lord the rest of their life and still be saved ???
The scriptures say no.

So do we. A child of God CAN'T be disobedient the rest of their life. John says this, It says they CAN NOT SIN, because they have been born of God.

Why do you continue on the facade that we teach one a child of God could ever be disobedient for the rest of their life. That just foolishness.

 

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welp I see Kenneth went on a post scripture and take up half the thread thingy.

Ken, No one here disagrees with those scriptures. We all know them. We all believe in them. We all strive in doing them.

But again, That is not the topic of this thread.

If you would like to start a thread on how a child of God should act. then lets do that. But lets first decide how one becomes a child of God.

I did that because it shows how in the bible obedience is very important, for there is pretty much more scriptures throughout the bible about obedience then any other topic.

No, It is a gift to those who have faith.

those who have faith ARE obedient to him.

If obedience is required, then it is not a gift at all.

It is a gift, but we have to accept that gift.
Like I said before for instance, a person is not saved tell they obey the command to repent of their sins.
Obedience comes before one is saved, not after.

 

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this is a joke .....
when James says faith alone is dead he means faith alone is dead...where in his epistle does he mention saving faith??? or faith producing works??? you are saying something that is foreign to scripture...and saying that is what James means...that is a lie and I challenge you to prove it with scripture...

Even if I showed you ,you seem to not hear the words....why is that?

Does GOD need to see physical work or does he know your true intentions and if that is true and we know it is true then why does does GOD need to see physical work.

faith without work is dead if it is not true and how do you know if it is true.
GOD looks at the heart.
men look at the outward appearance.

So what I'm saying is that if the faith is true that men can judge the fruit/works but GOD knows already.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Obedience is key to that though.
If you stay disobedient and not put your faith in the Lord, their is not salvation for you remain lost in sin.

You remain lost in sin, because you have failed to repent, and place your faith in Christ, If you did so. you would not stay disobedient.

Then if you stay disobedient and do not follow the command to repent of your sins then you still are not saved.
The list goes on when it comes to obedience, and if one says that it plays no role in salvation or being saved. Then they have been deceived, for one can not be disobedient to the Lord and be saved.

No. the one who is decieved is the one

1. Who thinks a child of God can remain in sin, and that God will not change them from the inside out.
2. Thinks they could ever be obedient enough to save themselves (God requires perfect obedience of the law. You have failed, are failing, and will fail to live up to that standard)

 

[kennethcadwell]

So do we. A child of God CAN'T be disobedient the rest of their life. John says this, It says they CAN NOT SIN, because they have been born of God.

Why do you continue on the facade that we teach one a child of God could ever be disobedient for the rest of their life. That just foolishness.

I said that because Dconn said obedience does not matter to bring us to, and to keep salvation.
That is false because like I showed before, you have to obey the command to repent before you are saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did that because it shows how in the bible obedience is very important, for there is pretty much more scriptures throughout the bible about obedience then any other topic.

It is important. Stop mocking us and saying we do not believe this. It is offensive, a lie, and slandering people. Your in sin every time you do this. And you cannot even see it

It is a gift, but we have to accept that gift.
Like I said before for instance, a person is not saved tell they obey the command to repent of their sins.
Obedience comes before one is saved, not after.

Yep, you did say this, because you think repentnance is a work, when it is not.

Repentance is a change of heart. It is when one stops trying to be his own God, reject the god of the universe (which every one of us did before we were saved) and admit in humility we are sinners, rightly condemned. And Christ came to save us.

And to take it further, we can not just believe this, WE MUST HAVE FAITH IN THIS.

mere belief will not save you, FAITH SAVES. That is what JAMES proved in his second chapter.

Jesus made it clear. IT IS THE WORK OF GOD THAT WE BELIEVE IN THE ONE HE SENT.

so your going to take credit for the work of God and make it an act of obedience??

you go ahead and take credit, God took me to my knees, and showed me no way out, Or I would still not believe in him, and still be lost in my sin, GOD GAVE ME FAITH.