When does the rapture occur?

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You two are seriously diluted. I am actually a pre-tribber. I was just playing the advocate because you guys teach it as if it's part of the Gospel. I do believe that God has allowed for clarification of His plan during these last 200 years, but and I don't have to pretend that the early Church believed pre trib either. You guys have to learn to accept that the Church is bigger than just the past 200 years, and that the Gospel doesn't require perfect doctrine or perfect eschatology.
Being READY for the Return of Christ is a heart issue, not a knowledge issue. Posttribbers who are following Christ will be raptured right along-side us. Don't be so blind by doctrinal pride.
 
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"All "dead in christ" WILL BE RESURRECTED.....NOT raptured. Darby is of zero factor either way."


All of the dead in Christ for sure ..... only the living at the time will be instantly changed to immortality [1 Corinthians 15:51-58]

The rest of the dead will end up here [Revelation 20;11-15]
 
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"You two are seriously diluted. I am actually a pre-tribber. I was just playing devils advocate because you guys teach it as if it's part of the Gospel."


Give me a break ...... what a story

Got anything else in you bag of tricks?
 
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Sophia said:
I only ask for extra-biblical quote, because you claimed that millions of my brethren and forefathers who died before hearing Darby preach, will not be resurrected on the Last Day, because none of them ever heard of or considered pretrib rapture.
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Here is the deal;
Let it be known,that our endtimes "escatology" effects our panaramic belifs concerning basic biblical doctrine.
Watch this;
We see a group of believers that holler "deception","lies" "satanic",when describing their challengers. OK,no big deal.
BUT,I find it most disheartening that the same group can not align themselves with God's word.(enter God's purpose)
We are told to watch and wait,be ready for Jesus return for his bride.Why??? The BUSINESS in heaven
It is not a waiting pure spotless bride that folks need to pity,for we are in fear of a returning Groom,that warns of not being ready and being full of faith.
 
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"the Gospel doesn't require perfect doctrine or perfect eschatology.
Being READY for the Return of Christ is a heart issue, not a knowledge issue. Prosttribbers who are following Christ will be captured right along-side us. Don't be so blind by doctrinal pride."


The gospel is perfect doctrine and perfect eschatology

You are a real twister of words

What are you really doing? ..... maybe you do not know

The Lord's more sure word of prophecy never changes ..... only men have meddled

Salvation is based upon the Lord's doing and the believers following ..... not pre or post thinking

.... but the Lord has warned about being ready ..... ready for what? ..... why the warning?

.... because He knows many that profess are not

Get it?


 
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Sophia said:
You two are seriously diluted. I am actually a pre-tribber. I was just playing the advocate because you guys teach it as if it's part of the Gospel. I do believe that God has allowed for clarification of His plan during these last 200 years, but and I don't have to pretend that the early Church believed pre trib either. You guys have to learn to accept that the Church is bigger than just the past 200 years, and that the Gospel doesn't require perfect doctrine or perfect eschatology.
Being READY for the Return of Christ is a heart issue, not a knowledge issue. Posttribbers who are following Christ will be raptured right along-side us. Don't be so blind by doctrinal pride.
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and I don't have to pretend that the early Church believed pre trib either. You guys have to learn to accept that the Church is bigger than just the past 200 years
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Well,i guess I blame myself because you got my point exactly backwards.
 
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Straightshot said:

Give me a break ...... what a story

Got anything else in you bag of tricks?
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Maybe if you were more serious about the Gospel and about the Church I wouldn't have to be correcting you in the first place. Most of what I have read from you is pure contempt for the Body of Christ, the Church.
 
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Just answer this then: has anyone ever been saved who rejected pre trib rapture?
 
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"Well I would expect the from you ..... the same as the others who entertain pre-tribulation "rapture" bashing"


They all say the same thing .... like a broken record

When bottled up in a corner you lash out

First you sing your same song .... and then you claim that you were only fooling

..... what kind of behavior is this?
 
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"Just answer this then: has anyone ever been saved who rejected pre trib rapture?"


Your question is loaded

.... and you have already been answered

Your theology debunks, but there is nothing left to do
 
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Straightshot said:
"Just answer this then: has anyone ever been saved who rejected pre trib rapture?"


Your question is loaded

.... and you have already been answered

Your theology debunks, but there is nothing left to do
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It's loaded and pointed, which is why you are trying to dodge it.
 
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Wrong ...... same old debating tactics of the post-trib gang

Remember this .... those who feed the crocodile get eaten last
 
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I really don't have much concern over eschatology, seeing as it is in God's hands, and we win in the end, BUT I am concerned about the slander of nearly 2000 years of Saints who believed in amillenialism and historicism, as if they were not Saints at all because of their lack of knowledge in eschatology. That is gnosticism, and heresy, and a worthy battle to be fought.
If you are not a Gnostic, then answer the question.
If you are a Gnostic, just keep dodging it so the assembly can clearly see you.
 
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isn't the real question: what should we be doing while we are waiting?
 
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No more entertaining you Soph ..... you will have to find someone else to banter with
 
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No more entertaining you Soph ..... you will have to find someone else to banter with
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If Spurgeon, Calvin, Martin Luther, Isaac Watts, any of the Reformers, or any of the early Church fathers were saved, then it seems like eschatology is not a requirement of salvation.

I want you to concede on that point, or make your position clear.
You can't make pretrib eschatology a requirement for salvation without condemning many faithful Believers throughout the ages... including all the OT Saints.
 
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25 “Then the Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish, and five were discreet. 3 For the foolish took their lamps but took no oil with them, 4 whereas the discreet took oil in their flasks along with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom was delaying, they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 Right in the middle of the night there was a shout: ‘Here is the bridegroom! Go out to meet him.’ 7 Then all those virgins got up and put their lamps in order. 8 The foolish said to the discreet, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are about to go out.’ 9 The discreet answered, saying: ‘Perhaps there may not be enough for both us and you. Go instead to those who sell it, and buy some for yourselves.’ 10 While they were going off to buy it, the bridegroom came. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11 Afterward, the rest of the virgins also came, saying, ‘Sir, Sir, open to us!’ 12 In answer he said, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you.’
13 “Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour.(Matthew 25:1-13)
 
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GaryA

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popeye said:
Postribs EMPHATICALLY TEACH and NEED the "one taken" to be "wicked taken",the "one left" to be the righteous left.
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Postrib ABSOLUTELY MUST adjust the "2 in the field" verses to agree with the "wicked taken"
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"Boy, do you ever have this wrong. I believe in a post-tribulation rapture; however, never in my life have I ever believed this..." ( "wicked taken" )


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...a babe in christ with a bible can easily defend the pretrib rapture.
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A babe in Christ may also be easily deceived into believing error... ;)

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GaryA said:
"Boy, do you ever have this wrong. I believe in a post-tribulation rapture; however, never in my life have I ever believed this..." ( "wicked taken" )



A babe in Christ may also be easily deceived into believing error... ;)

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Great,because the rapture is pictured there and elsewhere,but not postrib. Nowhere is postrib rapture taught in the word.

Jesus can not be decieved. The word ,living word,word of God,Jesus. A sure foundation.
 
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