Why do Atheists Bother?

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Don"t you just love atheist and there theories. A theory is an educated guess. Yet preaching the gospel is repeatable with effects. Yet they hold to their theory as golden. Reckon why?
I am sure we have discussed this before Kerry. You are not using the word theory as it is used in science. Am I wrong? Have we never discussed the correct usage?

I have a question for you. Do you ever admit to being wrong about anything?
 

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the·o·ry noun \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\
: an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain facts or events
: an idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true but that is not known or proven to be true
: the general principles or ideas that relate to a particular subject


A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.





Before you chastise him for not using the correct word, can you give me some evidence where they have observed evolution? Hint the have been testing millions of generations of flies for over 70 years now...
 
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For another, you didn't address a single point made in the video. Oh, you made a vague reference to what he said and added "LOL" as your argument.
I think "LOL" accompanied by a lack of rebuttal is a ploy used by those who don't know how else to answer. I've seen it often.
 

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I tried looking at this. It came up blank. Does it load properly for you?
Yes it's a pdf... maybe it's not allowed in Canada, idk.

on my internet explorer it works fine, but on my google crome it has issues...
 
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the·o·ry noun \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\
A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. If enough evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, it moves to the next step—known as a theory—in the scientific method and becomes accepted as a valid explanation of a phenomenon.
As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Good then I don't ever expect you to make Kerry's mistake.


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Before you chastise him for not using the correct word...
No, for repeatedly not using the word correctly after being corrected a number of time. (PS Kerry, if this was not you I corrected I apologize.)

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... can you give me some evidence where they have observed evolution?
Did you give me an explanation of how you would recognize a fossil as simply another 'kind' of animal and not a transitional fossil? What features must a transitional fossil have for you to know it is transitional? (Note: I have shown transitional fossils in the past only to have creationists claim they were simply seeing another kind of animal. Now I ask first for features that would identify a fossil as truly transitional.)
 

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Good then I don't ever expect you to make Kerry's mistake.



No, for repeatedly not using the word correctly after being corrected a number of time. (PS Kerry, if this was not you I corrected I apologize.)


Did you give me an explanation of how you would recognize a fossil as simply another 'kind' of animal and not a transitional fossil? What features must a transitional fossil have for you to know it is transitional? (Note: I have shown transitional fossils in the past only to have creationists claim they were simply seeing another kind of animal. Now I ask first for features that would identify a fossil as truly transitional.)
Show me evidence of observable testable proof, this is the criteria for a scientific definition, if you have none Kerry used the correct one.

please no more word games, just show me TESTABLE OBSERVABLE REPEATABLE evidence.
 
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Yes it's a pdf... maybe it's not allowed in Canada, idk.

on my internet explorer it works fine, but on my google crome it has issues...
I skimmed through it and found no mention of Nebraska man. That's because scientists never accepted Nebraska Man as evidence.

Piltdown man was used during the trial, but that's because Piltdown man wasn't discovered to be fraudulent yet.

Piltdown man was the only ape fossil proven to be a fraud and it was corrected by the very scientists who accept evolution. All the other fossils mentioned during the trial have been legitimate.

You keep picking at one fraud that's been exposed and another error that was never scientifically accepted in the first place, as if this disproves ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the other evidence we have obtained over the years.
 

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I skimmed through it and found no mention of Nebraska man. That's because scientists never accepted Nebraska Man as evidence.

Piltdown man was used during the trial, but that's because Piltdown man wasn't discovered to be fraudulent yet.

Piltdown man was the only ape fossil proven to be a fraud and it was corrected by the very scientists who accept evolution. All the other fossils mentioned during the trial have been legitimate.

You keep picking at one fraud that's been exposed and another error that was never scientifically accepted in the first place, as if this disproves ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the other evidence we have obtained over the years.
What about Lucy?
Java man?
Orce man?
 
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Show me evidence of observable testable proof, this is the criteria for a scientific definition, if you have none Kerry used the correct one.

please no more word games, just show me TESTABLE OBSERVABLE REPEATABLE evidence.
Creationists play word games when they deny a fossil is transitional. It doesn't matter how many I show they've always said, "Oh, that is just another kind of animal." That is why I now ask how you can look at a fossil and know whether it is "just another kind of animal" or if it is truly transitional. If you can deny a fossil is transitional then you must have a pretty good idea of what features a true transitional fossil must possess (otherwise how can you claim a fossil is not transitional?). So tell me what features make it transitional and I will do my best to show you one.
 
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Cycel enough is enough you have been shown time and time again, yet you refuse because of your personal reasoning. Can you deny that the preaching of the Gospel is repeatable. What is your explanation that people are healed of brain cancer and Asthma and other diseases, how do you scientifically explain how marriages are restored and families reunited. How doe's your science hold up to that? Yet it happens all the time and is repeatable when the cross of Christ is preached. Where does that fit in your text book?
 
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What about Lucy?
Java man?
Orce man?
The first two are legitimate finds, the last one "Orce man" I cannot find any reference to except on creationist sites. I'm no expert, but I have never heard of Orce Man. Is this something creationists made up?
 
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Why don't you walk around naked or are you ashamed of your nakedness. We are just animals right, well animals walk around naked and are not ashamed. Try that evolutionist.
 
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Explain scientifically how a drug addict after hearing the gospel puts down heroin. Show from text how that's possible. What's the science behind it?
 
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Explain how Israel became a state after almost two thousand years and 6 million killed That is in your text books. Then explain why all the crops of the world are pollinated by bees. Except in Israel where the wind pollinates there crops. Where is your science Explain please. You are so adamant about your science why don't your science explain these events?
 

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The first two are legitimate finds, the last one "Orce man" I cannot find any reference to except on creationist sites. I'm no expert, but I have never heard of Orce Man. Is this something creationists made up?
Lucy was legit??? Tell me how far away was the knee cap from the hip bone?
 
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Don't runaway and why are you silent, You have an audience.
 

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How and why would natural selection produce such patterns and shapes and colors as are seen on this hummingbird?

Natural selection is a euphemism for a process of early elimination. Natural selection doesn't create anything.

"Survival of the fittest" would be unaffected by such patterns and shapes and colors.

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Source: Hummingbird closeup - Imgur


Q. Why would random mutation produce such a detailed pattern of design?


A. It wouldn't. Neither does natural selection provide an explanation for creating and sustaining such a refined pattern of texture, shape and color.
 
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But then again I love Cycel and Jesus loves you too.
 
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Cycel enough is enough you have been shown time and time again, yet you refuse because of your personal reasoning.
Shown what?

Can you deny that the preaching of the Gospel is repeatable.
Repeatable? What do you mean?


What is your explanation that people are healed of brain cancer...
A number of people on my wife's side of the family have died of brain cancer. I have never known anyone to be cured, including an aunt and uncle. A friend of my eldest son, a young woman, died recently of this. A very sad incident. She was in her late twenties.

Far more people die of brain cancer Kerry than are ever miraculously cured. Perhaps you can supply some figures on the number who died compared to those who receive miraculous cures? Give me a percentage, but back it up with some good figures.

Oh, here's one I know about. I have asthma; inherited it from my mother. A number of folks on her side of the family have this condition, and yes, some do grow out of it, or at least improve. I know I've gotten a lot better, but moving away from environmental conditions that cause it certainly helped a lot. I wouldn't call that a miracle.

... how do you scientifically explain how marriages are restored and families reunited. How doe's your science hold up to that?
Kerry, please! Get real! People solve their differences and sometimes get back together. My sister and brother-in-law got back together (she's agnostic and he's an atheist). It happens. No big deal. Many more don't get back together. If you call this sort of thing a miracle then, I must say, you have set the bar pretty damn low.